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Post by pedant on Nov 19, 2018 14:31:11 GMT
Oh dear, people do like to nit pick on this forum and I find myself in danger of falling into the usual shitgibbonry that always ensues. My final word on the matter is to reiterate that Phillips went in as he did because their player was nowhere near, so one foot, two or whatever is immaterial, because there was no danger to anyone. And at less than ten yards away, it was very clear. Check Phillips' reaction, it was not able that of a player trying to contact the ref. He knew he had done nothing wrong. Whatever. It obviously counts as a yellow card, so we move on. I know what I saw and nobody will convince me otherwise! Had a very similar argument with NWS a few years ago regarding an incident against Margate on Boxing Day. I think it was Jerome Sobers who went in feet first, both feet off the ground and NWS insisted it was a wreckless challenge even though he was at least two metres, maybe more, away from the nearest player. In that instance the referee didn't even consider awarding a free kick let alone a card, but our esteemed friend and colleague continued to insist that he should have been sent off. Match of the Day recently (2 weeks ago?) covered roughly this type of issue. Their understanding was that referees had been instructed to take a stricter view of what should be considered "reckless" or "out of control" and that winning the ball cleanly no longer meant it was necessarily a fair tackle.
It was with that additional information that I could see how the referee on Saturday made the decision. I'm not saying that I think he was right and others wrong, or vice versa.
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Post by butlerisalegend on Nov 19, 2018 16:17:27 GMT
Drop Turgott 😂😂 How many goals have the rest of the team scored this season? Yeah. It might do him good. Well probably lose him in January anyway. He didn’t have a great game Saturday and I think we should’ve won. Maybe see how it’ll look up front if he’s gone. Might as well be ready for it Without his goals we would be dead and buried by now. Yes he wasn’t great Saturday but everyone allowed an off day. I can’t believe anyone would think this was a good idea
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Post by shamstone on Nov 19, 2018 17:07:31 GMT
Yeah. It might do him good. Well probably lose him in January anyway. He didn’t have a great game Saturday and I think we should’ve won. Maybe see how it’ll look up front if he’s gone. Might as well be ready for it Without his goals we would be dead and buried by now. Yes he wasn’t great Saturday but everyone allowed an off day. I can’t believe anyone would think this was a good idea Your missing my point. The last 2 or 3 games now he’s been trying to do it all himself. I know he’s kept our season going but I seen Cassidy and Romaine getting the hump with him not passing when they were in better positions. It’s just my opinion but I’d like to see Cass and Romaine play as a front two. All I’m saying is he needs involve others
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Post by jdl on Nov 19, 2018 18:07:32 GMT
That's a bit like declaring that there is no hope for our forum pal. That's exactly like declaring that there is no hope for our forum 'pal'.
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Post by Nick on Nov 19, 2018 18:25:18 GMT
Without his goals we would be dead and buried by now. Yes he wasn’t great Saturday but everyone allowed an off day. I can’t believe anyone would think this was a good idea Your missing my point. The last 2 or 3 games now he’s been trying to do it all himself. I know he’s kept our season going but I seen Cassidy and Romaine getting the hump with him not passing when they were in better positions. It’s just my opinion but I’d like to see Cass and Romaine play as a front two. All I’m saying is he needs involve others and you are right shamstone, but as you say Turgott has kept our season going his contribution has been outstanding but Harry will know that one part of his game to improve upon is knowing when to release the ball to other players who have made great runs and are in a better position at which time his performance score will go up from 9/10 to 10/10 !
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Post by jdl on Nov 19, 2018 18:40:03 GMT
Without his goals we would be dead and buried by now. Yes he wasn’t great Saturday but everyone allowed an off day. I can’t believe anyone would think this was a good idea Your missing my point. The last 2 or 3 games now he’s been trying to do it all himself. I know he’s kept our season going but I seen Cassidy and Romaine getting the hump with him not passing when they were in better positions. It’s just my opinion but I’d like to see Cass and Romaine play as a front two. All I’m saying is he needs involve others We need to get other players scoring. Saturday's game was there for the taking in the second half, but if there's one thing Harry doesn't seem to have cracked yet it's our old problem of not converting chances into goals. Our defence and midfield are looking good, but up front we're pretty much reliant on one player - which makes us too easy to neutralise. Leaving Blair out strikes me as a rather drastic 'solution', but we need players who can see the opportunities and get the ball to players in space. If Turgott is being marked out of any scoring opportunity, he should be using his talents to feed others instead. I’m sure Harry is working on this - let's hope Turgott is capable of adjusting and providing assists as well as goals.
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Post by jakeyboi on Nov 19, 2018 19:16:16 GMT
This is quite an issue for the team to solve, when you think about it Turgott spent a lot of time being the only player up front who knew where the goal was, which has made him into a slightly greedy player who thinks he,s the only one capable of scoring, it will take some hard work but I,m sure HW can change his mindset and get him to release the ball to better placed teammates, yet all this has to be done without breaking his self belief.
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Post by shamstone on Nov 19, 2018 20:13:22 GMT
This was kinda my point. I just couldn’t word it right
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Post by nws on Nov 19, 2018 23:32:37 GMT
I can only repeat, that ten yards away, Phillips got the ball cleanly, was nowhere near their man and it was a completely fair tackle. What it looked like from other perspectives is in the eyes of the beholders, but where I was standing: foul, no;yellow card, never; red card - you must be joking! Well it wasn't on any highlights so that never helped. Maybe Heathside can clear things up for us. I wasn't near the tackle as I was in the TE. He may have won the ball but he jumped in and the moment you do that you are on a sticky wicket.
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Post by jdh80 on Nov 20, 2018 4:18:14 GMT
Had a very similar argument with NWS a few years ago regarding an incident against Margate on Boxing Day. I think it was Jerome Sobers who went in feet first, both feet off the ground and NWS insisted it was a wreckless challenge even though he was at least two metres, maybe more, away from the nearest player. In that instance the referee didn't even consider awarding a free kick let alone a card, but our esteemed friend and colleague continued to insist that he should have been sent off. Match of the Day recently (2 weeks ago?) covered roughly this type of issue. Their understanding was that referees had been instructed to take a stricter view of what should be considered "reckless" or "out of control" and that winning the ball cleanly no longer meant it was necessarily a fair tackle.
It was with that additional information that I could see how the referee on Saturday made the decision. I'm not saying that I think he was right and others wrong, or vice versa.
Ref was wrong, it's not the first time he has booked one of our players for a perfectly fair tackle, he was the one that gave Muldoon a yellow a couple of weeks back. To show that he is just as useless to both teams he booked a Wrexham player for sweet fa not long after the Phillips booking, it was never a foul let alone a card for their player. Can anyone confirm if fundop got booked for his dive
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Post by toonarmy on Nov 20, 2018 6:17:29 GMT
[/font] Watch the highlights for the tackle, it’s at 2 minutes 50 seconds and I can sort of see why the referee gave the decision and made the booking, it does look reckless however it was the wrong decision imho, but hey it’s easy to say that after watching it 4 or 5 times NWS see above
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Post by daveu on Nov 20, 2018 7:08:58 GMT
Match of the Day recently (2 weeks ago?) covered roughly this type of issue. Their understanding was that referees had been instructed to take a stricter view of what should be considered "reckless" or "out of control" and that winning the ball cleanly no longer meant it was necessarily a fair tackle.
It was with that additional information that I could see how the referee on Saturday made the decision. I'm not saying that I think he was right and others wrong, or vice versa.
Ref was wrong, it's not the first time he has booked one of our players for a perfectly fair tackle, he was the one that gave Muldoon a yellow a couple of weeks back. To show that he is just as useless to both teams he booked a Wrexham player for sweet fa not long after the Phillips booking, it was never a foul let alone a card for their player. Can anyone confirm if fundop got booked for his dive He didn't. On a related note, I personally believe booing a player you think is a cheat is counter productive. Players love being the pantomime villain so tend to play better when oppo fans are on their back.
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Post by Tstone on Nov 20, 2018 8:17:02 GMT
Well it wasn't on any highlights so that never helped. Maybe Heathside can clear things up for us. I wasn't near the tackle as I was in the TE. He may have won the ball but he jumped in and the moment you do that you are on a sticky wicket.You're confusing your games!
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Post by headstone on Nov 20, 2018 10:15:00 GMT
This is quite an issue for the team to solve, when you think about it Turgott spent a lot of time being the only player up front who knew where the goal was, which has made him into a slightly greedy player who thinks he,s the only one capable of scoring, it will take some hard work but I,m sure HW can change his mindset and get him to release the ball to better placed teammates, yet all this has to be done without breaking his self belief. This requires Turgott to have something resembling a "football brain" ie to appreciate the wider picture, for which there is currently no evidence. But then, if he had, he wouldn't be playing at this level.
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Post by 61666 on Nov 20, 2018 11:19:12 GMT
Blair can be frustrating, but at our level think seewe have to put up with it, because he is capable of that bit of magic and, thus far anyway, an absolute banker for penalties. The bigger picture is that we have Romaine and Cassidy chasing and harrying around him, plus Powell, Muldoon and now Walton able to strike a ball from distance. It wasn't that long ago we had nobody (remember Quigley and Mullings?), where now we have genuine options, though as ever, the next two or three games will show how that pans out. We are still to win at home, in the league, since Barrow, in mid August, remember.
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