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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 11:55:57 GMT
The Stones have have put in some decent performances of late against some difficult opposition. I realise that there are no easy games in this league, however, should the Stones happen to completely dominate a game, and go one or two up, it would be testament to their improvement if they could actually try to kill the opposition off, rather then start to sit back and settle for what they have.
The Wrexham game might provide an indication that the team may already possess that killer instinct. Once they went ahead, they did not automatically drop back deeper and defend, hoping to hold on, they continued to try to play on the front foot to a degree, which is very impressive when you consider who the opposition were.
In my view Salford have that mentality, and they looked very impressive in the way they dispatched Aldershot. Think they will only get stronger as the season goes on, and will probably win this league relatively easily.
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Post by daveu on Nov 20, 2018 13:08:52 GMT
In my view Salford have that mentality, and they looked very impressive in the way they dispatched Aldershot. Think they will only get stronger as the season goes on, and will probably win this league relatively easily. Easy to look impressive in the National League when you're paying League 1 wages.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 14:25:47 GMT
In my view Salford have that mentality, and they looked very impressive in the way they dispatched Aldershot. Think they will only get stronger as the season goes on, and will probably win this league relatively easily. Easy to look impressive in the National League when you're paying League 1 wages. I totally agree, however, sugar daddies aside, the Aldershot game does provide a good example of how to kill off an opposition. That is the mindset all teams should be in when they are ahead, and totally dominating.
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Post by jdl on Nov 20, 2018 15:00:08 GMT
The Stones have have put in some decent performances of late against some difficult opposition. I realise that there are no easy games in this league, however, should the Stones happen to completely dominate a game, and go one or two up, it would be testament to their improvement if they could actually try to kill the opposition off, rather then start to sit back and settle for what they have. The Wrexham game might provide an indication that the team might already possess that killer instinct. Once they went ahead, they did not automatically drop back deeper and defend, hoping to hold on, they continued to try to play on the front foot to a degree, which is very impressive when you consider who the opposition were. In my view Salford have that mentality, and they looked very impressive in the way they dispatched Aldershot. Think they will only get stronger as the season goes on, and will probably win this league relatively easily. Good post. One of the things that bothered me about Jay is that under him we tended to defend the slimmest lead, I'd much rather see us carry on pushing for another goal. You're never really 'safe' until you're at least 2 up. I could understand it with Jay, though, because we didn't really have the players to carry on attacking and shut out the opposition, it was one or the other. But Harry has built a side that can do both, so, yes please, attack, attack, attack! The best form of defence is sticking that second goal in.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 15:38:04 GMT
Good post. One of the things that bothered me about Jay is that under him we tended to defend the slimmest lead, I'd much rather see us carry on pushing for another goal. You're never really 'safe' until you're at least 2 up. I could understand it with Jay, though, because we didn't really have the players to carry on attacking and shut out the opposition, it was one or the other. But Harry has built a side that can do both, so, yes please, attack, attack, attack! The best form of defence is sticking that second goal in. Jay's hands were tied, and I think his inexperience at this higher level did find him out somewhat. A victim of the Stones rapid success. HW seems to have a little more in way of funds, but also seems to have more experience and contacts at this level. As far as the team under Jay is concerned, you never felt safe defending a slim lead, the team automatically went into a defensive mindset, and never really had the chance to get into the positive psychology of domination on the pitch.
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Post by jdl on Nov 20, 2018 16:46:04 GMT
Good post. One of the things that bothered me about Jay is that under him we tended to defend the slimmest lead, I'd much rather see us carry on pushing for another goal. You're never really 'safe' until you're at least 2 up. I could understand it with Jay, though, because we didn't really have the players to carry on attacking and shut out the opposition, it was one or the other. But Harry has built a side that can do both, so, yes please, attack, attack, attack! The best form of defence is sticking that second goal in. Jay's hands were tied, and I think his inexperience at this higher level did find him out somewhat. A victim of the Stones rapid success. HW seems to have a little more in way of funds, but also seems to have more experience and contacts at this level. As far as the team under Jay is concerned, you never felt safe defending a slim lead, the team automatically went into a defensive mindset, and never really had the chance to get into the positive psychology of domination on the pitch. Confidence - or the lack of it. I think Jay's teams expected to lose and were slightly surprised to take the lead or equalise, so they never really believed they could win. Harry's team go into a game expecting to win and get pissed off if something like Saturday happens. As they should - we had that game won, but for one lucky goal (and Blair's inability to pass!). That should have been the third win on the trot, it must have felt like a real blow that we dropped two points that were ours for the taking. And, when you remember who we were playing, and our home record this season, that's one hell of a turn-round in confidence.
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Post by daveu on Nov 20, 2018 18:35:30 GMT
Just exactly how many anti Jay posts do we need on this forum. I think we all get the point now.
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Post by shamstone on Nov 20, 2018 18:38:57 GMT
Jay who ?
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Post by Nick on Nov 20, 2018 19:07:07 GMT
Harry Wheeler is gaining credit with every passing match BUT Jay Saunders will always be a Stones legend and rightly appreciated by supporters.
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Post by toonarmy on Nov 20, 2018 19:43:55 GMT
Jay's hands were tied, and I think his inexperience at this higher level did find him out somewhat. A victim of the Stones rapid success. HW seems to have a little more in way of funds, but also seems to have more experience and contacts at this level. As far as the team under Jay is concerned, you never felt safe defending a slim lead, the team automatically went into a defensive mindset, and never really had the chance to get into the positive psychology of domination on the pitch. Confidence - or the lack of it. I think Jay's teams expected to lose and were slightly surprised to take the lead or equalise, so they never really believed they could win. Harry's team go into a game expecting to win and get pissed off if something like Saturday happens. As they should - we had that game won, but for one lucky goal (and Blair's inability to pass!). That should have been the third win on the trot, it must have felt like a real blow that we dropped two points that were ours for the taking. And, when you remember who we were playing, and our home record this season, that's one hell of a turn-round in confidence. “I think Jay’s teams expected to lose” this is quite possibly one of the most stupidest commment I have read on this forum and that is saying something
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Post by jdl on Nov 20, 2018 21:51:36 GMT
Confidence - or the lack of it. I think Jay's teams expected to lose and were slightly surprised to take the lead or equalise, so they never really believed they could win. Harry's team go into a game expecting to win and get pissed off if something like Saturday happens. As they should - we had that game won, but for one lucky goal (and Blair's inability to pass!). That should have been the third win on the trot, it must have felt like a real blow that we dropped two points that were ours for the taking. And, when you remember who we were playing, and our home record this season, that's one hell of a turn-round in confidence. “I think Jay’s teams expected to lose” this is quite possibly one of the most stupidest commment I have read on this forum and that is saying something You're right - it was written in a rush. What I meant to say was that they didn't expect to win.
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Post by jdl on Nov 20, 2018 21:56:32 GMT
Just exactly how many anti Jay posts do we need on this forum. I think we all get the point now. Me, anti Jay? What are you smoking?? I've been supporting Jay ever since we came home - and have had a lot of flack on here for so doing. I still think it was a dark day when he went and wish it could have been otherwise. But there's no denying that Harry appears to be a much better manager for this level. And those of us who supported Jay purely on loyalty should have the honesty to say that we were wrong.
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Post by jdl on Nov 20, 2018 23:58:42 GMT
Finally got round to watching the replay, and the Phillips booking wasn't even a tackle! Yes, he went in two footed, but the ball was running free at the time, with their no 11(?) chasing it - so Phillips was trying to reach the ball before the oppo player and knock it out of play, not actually tackling the player. Their player then can't stop in time and trips over Philiips.
No wonder Phillips was so pissed off.
Strangely, the ref was not near the touchline, as I'd thought, but actually had a very good view of the 'incident'.
And I still can't see who their goal came off - even in slow-mo!
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Post by Sennockian69 on Nov 21, 2018 5:16:47 GMT
I can only repeat, that ten yards away, Phillips got the ball cleanly, was nowhere near their man and it was a completely fair tackle. What it looked like from other perspectives is in the eyes of the beholders, but where I was standing: foul, no;yellow card, never; red card - you must be joking! Well it wasn't on any highlights so that never helped. Maybe Heathside can clear things up for us. I wasn't near the tackle as I was in the TE. He may have won the ball but he jumped in and the moment you do that you are on a sticky wicket. When was there last a sticky wicket ? With covers , modern drainage & competent groundsmen they mostly hark back to the sixties & early seventies.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 8:56:42 GMT
Finally got round to watching the replay, and the Phillips booking wasn't even a tackle! Yes, he went in two footed, but the ball was running free at the time, with their no 11(?) chasing it - so Phillips was trying to reach the ball before the oppo player and knock it out of play, not actually tackling the player. Their player then can't stop in time and trips over Philiips. No wonder Phillips was so pissed off. Strangely, the ref was not near the touchline, as I'd thought, but actually had a very good view of the 'incident'. And I still can't see who their goal came off - even in slow-mo! On the Wrexham highlights they said it was Rob Swaine, although the view is obstructed by another Stones player.
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