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Post by Benny on Apr 29, 2018 4:54:52 GMT
It only takes one good season; the right combination of players and circumstances, and some very difficult decisions will have to be taken. It very nearly happened (and could still happen) to Sutton. Accept promotion, and all the financial responsibilities that go with it. Or decline a once in a generation chance to rejoin the Football League. I can calmly say I would do the right thing for the club and decline that opportunity, but imagine the howls of outrage and despondency if the club made that sensible decision.
On supporter ownership, I have a vague memory of Gills and Millwall going down that route. The trouble is you create a cumbersome and expensive structure of thousands of owners needing to be communicated with on a regular basis. Maybe there are better examples of where it worked, but I can't think of them right now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 6:56:51 GMT
Ther isn t any good examples of supporter ownership. It s a stupid idea. Lol
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Post by Sennockian69 on Apr 29, 2018 11:24:02 GMT
Nigel = right thinking. All I want is better home form.
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Post by daveu on Apr 29, 2018 12:20:32 GMT
Ther isn t any good examples of supporter ownership. It s a stupid idea. Lol AFC Wimbledon don't seem to have done too badly, although to be fair, apart from them the cupboard is somewhat bare.
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Post by Nick on Apr 29, 2018 13:15:38 GMT
Bare of supporters having majority share holdings but a few clubs allow supporters smallish holdings Arsenal supporters made a few quid on the shares they sold off back a while ago
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Post by jdl on Apr 29, 2018 13:22:57 GMT
One of the most bizarre threads I read for a while! Everyone's turned into a businessman. Lol. The 3G business plan works and still does as we are no where near ready to be promoted so no need to change to grass. The brutal reality that a lot of people will sooner or later have to accept is that we ve reached our natural level. We ve got maybe one more promotion at a push but without a Saudi businessman that ll be it. Some of these odd suggestions of moving the 3G pitch are laughable and a result of people getting slightly carried away with the panic of not being promoted in for the last 2 seasons after having unprecedented success that most teams will never get. How often do you read this board? We long ago accepted that this is our level for now and promotion is something for the mid-to-long-term. As Dave points out, we'd need to replace the TE if we got promoted anyway, and where's the money for that coming from? This was a discussion about the limitations of the JWW site and ideas for getting round them and the general development of the ground (amongst other things) - not simply about promotion. A discussion on a discussion board - whatever next?
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Post by jdl on Apr 29, 2018 13:25:03 GMT
Ther isn t any good examples of supporter ownership. It s a stupid idea. Lol AFC Wimbledon don't seem to have done too badly, although to be fair, apart from them the cupboard is somewhat bare. Unfortunately, they are probably the best example (i.e. they have a few wealthy supporters). But even they have reached the point where they are considering partly selling the club to 'investors' to get the money to go further.
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Post by Sennockian69 on Apr 29, 2018 13:39:01 GMT
As though that model worked with Ebbsfleet previously. Not.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 16:18:58 GMT
One of the most bizarre threads I read for a while! Everyone's turned into a businessman. Lol. The 3G business plan works and still does as we are no where near ready to be promoted so no need to change to grass. The brutal reality that a lot of people will sooner or later have to accept is that we ve reached our natural level. We ve got maybe one more promotion at a push but without a Saudi businessman that ll be it. Some of these odd suggestions of moving the 3G pitch are laughable and a result of people getting slightly carried away with the panic of not being promoted in for the last 2 seasons after having unprecedented success that most teams will never get. How often do you read this board? We long ago accepted that this is our level for now and promotion is something for the mid-to-long-term. As Dave points out, we'd need to replace the TE if we got promoted anyway, and where's the money for that coming from? This was a discussion about the limitations of the JWW site and ideas for getting round them and the general development of the ground (amongst other things) - not simply about promotion. A discussion on a discussion board - whatever next? At this point in time, I m struggling to understand why we need to develop the ground further? We re no where near capacity for home games. Possibly a few more seats but apart from that, nothing else needs doing short term.
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Post by daveu on Apr 29, 2018 16:29:05 GMT
How often do you read this board? We long ago accepted that this is our level for now and promotion is something for the mid-to-long-term. As Dave points out, we'd need to replace the TE if we got promoted anyway, and where's the money for that coming from? This was a discussion about the limitations of the JWW site and ideas for getting round them and the general development of the ground (amongst other things) - not simply about promotion. A discussion on a discussion board - whatever next? At this point in time, I m struggling to understand why we need to develop the ground further? We re no where near capacity for home games. Possibly a few more seats but apart from that, nothing else needs doing short term. It's about getting ready for the future. Clearly the owners have ambitions to reach the football league, but it's no good waiting till we get promoted before doing the required work on the ground.
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Post by goingup on Apr 29, 2018 16:38:57 GMT
Ther isn t any good examples of supporter ownership. It s a stupid idea. Lol Barcelona? Different sport/continent: Green Bay Packers?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 17:07:02 GMT
It would be extremely inconvenient, risky and generally inadvisable to wait until promotion to the EFL is achieved before doing anything towards increasing the capacity of the ground to the initial target 5,000. It would need to happen by 30 April in the very first season in League 2, but if the builders were to move into the south end only then, the club would lose substantial gate receipts whilst the work is actually being done, at the precise period that crowd potential would be at its highest in recent history. Given the difficulty Maidstone United already has in providing a sufficient playing budget for the National League, the combined burdens of a big new stand and significantly higher playing costs would render the whole project highly problematic if it was all attempted in such a short space of time. Even after all that work and expense, there would be an additional requirement for a minimum 2,000 seats by the end of the third year in League 2, which will presumably entail turning some of the brand new standing spaces into yet more seats, unless the government of the day changes its tune on safe standing areas. It's a big ask whatever way you look at it and how it's going to be paid for is a question only the owners can possibly answer.
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Post by nws on Apr 29, 2018 19:56:10 GMT
One of the most bizarre threads I read for a while! Everyone's turned into a businessman. Lol. The 3G business plan works and still does as we are no where near ready to be promoted so no need to change to grass. The brutal reality that a lot of people will sooner or later have to accept is that we ve reached our natural level. We ve got maybe one more promotion at a push but without a Saudi businessman that ll be it. Some of these odd suggestions of moving the 3G pitch are laughable and a result of people getting slightly carried away with the panic of not being promoted in for the last 2 seasons after having unprecedented success that most teams will never get. How often do you read this board? We long ago accepted that this is our level for now and promotion is something for the mid-to-long-term. As Dave points out, we'd need to replace the TE if we got promoted anyway, and where's the money for that coming from? This was a discussion about the limitations of the JWW site and ideas for getting round them and the general development of the ground (amongst other things) - not simply about promotion. A discussion on a discussion board - whatever next? Long ago accepted? Another lie There is a second picture which shows the stand on a raised platform possibly a metre which would achieve better sight lines and give space for advertising boards And cost more... Looks a lot better though - proper stand. It will be interesting to see what design they pick. I can see the logic of putting up a 'TE with seats', but I would hope we'd go for something rather more interesting. So far the new stands/extensions have enhanced the look of the ground as well as adding capacity, I'd hope that T&O will manage the same thing again on the river side. Personally I'd go for the little stand - real retro-non-league!. Should keep the progress deniers like nws happy...
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Post by Benny on Apr 30, 2018 7:33:32 GMT
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