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Post by daveu on Dec 18, 2017 17:02:10 GMT
It's a difficult one. I would probably have accepted if it had been given against us, such is our luck with penalty decisions, so on that basis I would say it's a penalty. Having said that I'm not surprised it wasn't given as we've been denied several far more obvious ones this season. I definitely think the yellow for simulation was extremely harsh though.
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Post by nws on Dec 18, 2017 21:14:57 GMT
fair enough pedant nws is big enough to stand up for himself but is he big enough to admit an error of judgement ? actually I am not even convinced he watched the incident I'm big enough but the reality is you are talking guff. I watched the incident on the playback and, having played up front and been a master of winning penalties, know when a player is falling down before contact occurred. The reality is that Lewis's foot has gone from him prior to the defender making that contact (watch closely and you'll see it). I can conclude one of two things. He dived and looked for a penalty. he lost his footing and genuinely believed it was a penalty. I think it was the second of those two options and, to that end, think the ref got it wrong. Either way, the reason it is not a penalty s because Lewis is always on his way down when the contact occurs.
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Post by daveu on Dec 18, 2017 21:50:19 GMT
fair enough pedant nws is big enough to stand up for himself but is he big enough to admit an error of judgement ? actually I am not even convinced he watched the incident I'm big enough but the reality is you are talking guff. I watched the incident on the playback and, having played up front and been a master of winning penalties, know when a player is falling down before contact occurred. The reality is that Lewis's foot has gone from him prior to the defender making that contact (watch closely and you'll see it). I can conclude one of two things. He dived and looked for a penalty. he lost his footing and genuinely believed it was a penalty. I think it was the second of those two options and, to that end, think the ref got it wrong. Either way, the reason it is not a penalty s because Lewis is always on his way down when the contact occurs. Which is relevant because???
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Post by jdl on Dec 19, 2017 0:08:09 GMT
Yeah - surely if there's contact, it's a pen? The defender didn't know Lewis was going down anyway when he started his move.
But it's not not getting the pen that pissed me off, it's Lewis getting a yellow, when he was clearly NOT acting. Whether he went down because of a foul, or he tripped/lost his footing, he still went down unintentionally. And, although he claimed the pen (wouldn't we all?), he didn't roll around holding his leg or make any sort of meal out of it.
That yellow might cost us dear later on in the season.
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Post by nws on Dec 20, 2017 1:21:02 GMT
I'm big enough but the reality is you are talking guff. I watched the incident on the playback and, having played up front and been a master of winning penalties, know when a player is falling down before contact occurred. The reality is that Lewis's foot has gone from him prior to the defender making that contact (watch closely and you'll see it). I can conclude one of two things. He dived and looked for a penalty. he lost his footing and genuinely believed it was a penalty. I think it was the second of those two options and, to that end, think the ref got it wrong. Either way, the reason it is not a penalty s because Lewis is always on his way down when the contact occurs. Which is relevant because??? Which bit are you questioning the relevance of?
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Post by nws on Dec 20, 2017 1:22:29 GMT
Yeah - surely if there's contact, it's a pen? The defender didn't know Lewis was going down anyway when he started his move. But it's not not getting the pen that pissed me off, it's Lewis getting a yellow, when he was clearly NOT acting. Whether he went down because of a foul, or he tripped/lost his footing, he still went down unintentionally. And, although he claimed the pen (wouldn't we all?), he didn't roll around holding his leg or make any sort of meal out of it. That yellow might cost us dear later on in the season. So every time there is a contact it is a pen? Well welcome to 30 pens a game. What a silly statement. What the defender did or didn't know prior to making his move is irrelevant. It wasn't the defender that brought him down. I agree with the rest though
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Post by daveu on Dec 20, 2017 9:20:17 GMT
Which is relevant because??? Which bit are you questioning the relevance of? The fact that he was (in your opinion) already on his way down, doesn't in itself have any bearing on whether or not it was a penalty.
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Post by Nick on Dec 20, 2017 10:27:17 GMT
How on earth can anybody come to the conclusion that Stuart Lewis was on the way down ? No way, Lewis was in control of the ball with a goal scoring chance when the defender took him out Simple as that - as clear a penalty as you could wish to see (unless you are nws)
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Post by nws on Dec 20, 2017 23:13:26 GMT
How on earth can anybody come to the conclusion that Stuart Lewis was on the way down ? No way, Lewis was in control of the ball with a goal scoring chance when the defender took him out Simple as that - as clear a penalty as you could wish to see (unless you are nws) Probably because I looked at his left leg, Nick. 'as clear a penalty as you could wish to see (unless you are nws)'. Or a few other people on this thread or the referee.
Not sure why you keep feeling the need to try and isolate me when I am not the only person who disagrees with you.
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Post by nws on Dec 20, 2017 23:23:27 GMT
Which bit are you questioning the relevance of? The fact that he was (in your opinion) already on his way down, doesn't in itself have any bearing on whether or not it was a penalty. So are you saying that in every case where a player is falling and a defender collides with him it is a penalty if the ball is not played?
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Post by daveu on Dec 21, 2017 9:04:56 GMT
Can somebody please explain to him where exactly I said that.
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Post by jakeyboi on Dec 21, 2017 9:21:34 GMT
Whatever happened to the golden rule of football we was taught as youngsters, you play to the whistle and the ref is always in charge so these pointless arguments over if it was or wasnt a penalty are pointless, the ref did not give it so lets move on.
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Post by Nick on Dec 21, 2017 11:32:26 GMT
How on earth can anybody come to the conclusion that Stuart Lewis was on the way down ? No way, Lewis was in control of the ball with a goal scoring chance when the defender took him out Simple as that - as clear a penalty as you could wish to see (unless you are nws) Probably because I looked at his left leg, Nick. 'as clear a penalty as you could wish to see (unless you are nws)'. Or a few other people on this thread or the referee.
Not sure why you keep feeling the need to try and isolate me when I am not the only person who disagrees with you.
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Post by Nick on Dec 21, 2017 11:39:45 GMT
Not meant to be personal nws, sorry if you feel you are being isolated Just that I think the opinions you expressed in this thread are wrong and unfair on Stuart Lewis who was not about to fall over. Presumably the forum administrator still allows posts that disagree with your own
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Post by jdl on Dec 21, 2017 17:31:22 GMT
Careful Nick, he's grooming you to replace DaveU!
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