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Post by stoneslive on Apr 12, 2014 7:24:03 GMT
And don't forget that Greg Dyke has already made it clear that he wants to lead the way in making a sustainably strong national (England) team for years to come by providing the means for talented young players to come through from grassroots football. He sees artificial football turf as being integral to achieving that.
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Post by tooloow on Apr 12, 2014 9:56:24 GMT
And don't forget that Greg Dyke has already made it clear that he wants to lead the way in making a sustainably strong national (England) team for years to come by providing the means for talented young players to come through from grassroots football. He sees artificial football turf as being integral to achieving that. Definitely!
Its interesting looking at the Wembley Stadium twitter feed for 8th April reporting on a Club Wembley trip to the Gherkin with Greg Dyke - the only quote from what Greg Dyke had to say was "We need more 3G pitches in this country so less games are lost to the weather" - it really does seem to be high on his priorities at the moment....
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Post by rootsy on May 6, 2014 8:29:23 GMT
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Post by ontheup on May 6, 2014 9:49:52 GMT
Good spot Rootsy and a good article.
No mention of injuries, rules are rules, unfair advantage,football should be played on grass,sterile, from the man at the top.
So perhaps Mr Dyke should invite those clubs who voted against 3G to enter into this discussion and explain to him why they don't agree with him?
Never going to happen I know, but as much as we as fans have taken a lot of "flack" from the opposition and continually reminded of our "choice" to install 3G, I'm glad we have owners brave enough and forward thinking enough to put our football club in the firing line.
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Post by lucky1969 on May 6, 2014 10:00:48 GMT
Good spot Rootsy and a good article. No mention of injuries, rules are rules, unfair advantage,football should be played on grass,sterile, from the man at the top. So perhaps Mr Dyke should invite those clubs who voted against 3G to enter into this discussion and explain to him why they don't agree with him? Never going to happen I know, but as much as we as fans have taken a lot of "flack" from the opposition and continually reminded of our "choice" to install 3G, I'm glad we have owners brave enough and forward thinking enough to put our football club in the firing line. Well said! I am sure that the 3G issue will move on to a resolution with some pace now
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Post by ontheup on May 6, 2014 10:31:51 GMT
I also suggest Mr Dyke is preparing the country for "failure" this summer and getting ready for calls for an investigation into "grass roots" football.
The Conference AGM is June? Just before the WC? Despite Mr Dyke's letter to them, they're going to go against 3G (and now this) again? just before the biggest tournament in football.......
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Post by lucky1969 on May 6, 2014 11:56:56 GMT
I also suggest Mr Dyke is preparing the country for "failure" this summer and getting ready for calls for an investigation into "grass roots" football. The Conference AGM is June? Just before the WC? Despite Mr Dyke's letter to them, they're going to go against 3G (and now this) again? just before the biggest tournament in football....... That would be a massive shame all round, but you are probably right!
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Post by stoneslive on May 6, 2014 20:22:05 GMT
I think todays events demonstrate that the 'FA support' for 3G is actually Greg Dyke's support - which isn't the same thing at all (most of the reports refer to 'Dyke's support for 3G', not 'the FA's support...').It is noticable that, although the Commision considered 3G pitches as an issue, it is not to be put to the FA Board on Wednesday. The 'B league', revising the loan system, nationality quotas and 'improvements to coaching' will be considered.We can assume (in my opinion - no stronger) that Dyke knew that 3G could not be carried within the Leagues - it is noticable that the 'B League' has met with strong resistance from the Conference (and the Premier and Football League's don't want it, either...) which does not bode well for the up-coming meeting; if the Conference are content to so publicly oppose something which the FA is willing to put to the Board, then what chance them going along with something which won't be put forward - 3G? Do you think the leagues may say to the FA "We'll accept 3G if you want, but don't give us a "B" Team league"?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 20:30:48 GMT
Seems to me that they appear to be proposing a change in the rules
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Post by seaotter on May 6, 2014 23:22:25 GMT
Do you think the leagues may say to the FA "We'll accept 3G if you want, but don't give us a "B" Team league"? Hello Stoneslive - I don't think that the two are connected.This is the Commission which was set up to examine how to change the game in ways which would 'improve the National team's fortunes'. It has been publicly stated that 3G was looked at, by the Commission, but it has not been put forward for development (so they didn't regard it as important).The Premier League favour an Academy League, which would be outside the Pyramid (the usual comparison is to American Football, with the NFL and NCAA College Football).The Football League regard the aims of the Commission as 'laudable' (who wouldn't?), but would 'take a recommendation back to the Clubs, who would determine the League's position...'.And I don't see anyone (from within the FA, or the wider game) agreeing with Dyke's 'Wembley should be 3G' statement.So we're back to the usual issue - would a vote for 3G be carried in either the Football League, or the Conference?
The one light on the horizon is that the issue of grassroots football is not yet completed.However, current FA Policy would suggest that 'grassroots' means from the level of the Isthmian, downwards, where 3G is already accepted.Reports, this evening, are suggesting that some senior FA figures are urging Dyke to 'hold fire...until all of the finer details, from the Commission's proposals, are ironed out' (which I think we can interpret as 'kick into the long-grass'....).If Dyke can't even carry senior figures, within the FA, for the current proposals, then again - what chance 3G, when an FA Commission has already discounted it?
I should add my usual caveat of 'as-it-stands'.....
I may be going mad or hallucinating but did I read somewhere that murrayfield (Home of scottish rugby) is seriously considering going 3G. Or it may have been Brian Moore discussing it, as he seems very pro 3G.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2014 7:00:36 GMT
Seems to me that they appear to be proposing a change in the rules Hello Ant - do you mean a change of rules regarding 3G? If so, could you please direct us to where you saw that? No, I mean with regards to the league setup
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Post by ontheup on May 7, 2014 8:53:24 GMT
I appreciate the stance of the FA's support actually being Greg Dykes support for 3G but considering the proposal to allow 3G in all rounds of the FA Cup next year as well as our appeal being accepted for the play offs I don't think Greg Dyke is alone in his support.
Yesterday was a sad day for non league football as a whole, not just the 3G argument, but in no way surprising. Oliver has highlighted on many occasions how the Premier League dictate football in the country from the top.
How often have we heard "the conference don't want 3G because the football league don't want it, and the football league don't want it because the Championship don't want it...." etc etc.
The Conference themself have said they have been waiting for guidance from above, yet failed to show leadership.
Mr Dyke had to write to the conference to ask them to reconsider their position on 3G, suggesting (to me) he doesn't have much confidence in them.
I wonder how much of the 3G vote Mr Dyke read (I suspect not much) and whether he read the statements by Jim Parmenter about it not fitting with their "Health & Safety" rules, or "Sterile" or "That in my opinion is not the way to do business"
I'm not sure he would have been too impressed with the reasons given for 3G being rejected when in reality the motion was simply to give clubs the "CHOICE" to install a FIFA approved pitch if clubs felt it would work for them.
And I know Hythe are in the Ryman League but how much more of this will we see (I fully respect those in charge at Hythe for fronting up)
"Last season, in common with many other clubs we had to reduce our playing budget"
"hit with the extremely wet weather which affected our cash flow and lead to midweek games and consequent reduced attendances."
Were Premiership clubs hit? Championship clubs hit? 3G clubs hit?.....clubs who voted against 3G hit? (and those who voted for it)
Non league expects the FA to help but if they don't help themselves what can you do?
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Post by ontheup on May 7, 2014 12:11:00 GMT
Calais, over the last few months I have classed you as my 3G bible and taken everything you've said as gospel.
The very first post on this thread mentions the meeting arranged to discuss the use of artifical pitches following the letter from Mr Dyke, I don't think yesterdays proposals are going to change that at all.
In fact being an optimist I think the proposals could be viewed as an invitation for the conference to "engage" more with the FA. Conference and Non-League clubs were never going to welcome those proposals and surely it is down to the conference to enter into the debate in their capacity as "head" of non league football?
I may seem a little naive here but I genuinely believe the vote against 3G has done more damage to the reputation and credibility of the conference than even we could have imagined and perhaps one of the reasons we pulled out of legal action was because we were comfortable the conference and it's clubs were "hanging" themselves.
Having just checked the Conference website to see when their "meeting" is.....I quite enjoyed the "Official Website for the Conference Youth Alliance" section, giving details of the Cup Final tonight......we're playing in all white btw.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2014 18:08:36 GMT
I hope for the day that everyone can remind me how wrong I got it over 3G.....
You're not alone. I have my reasons for believing this day may not be too far away, so hopefully you'll get your wish
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Post by trolley59 on May 7, 2014 18:20:22 GMT
and what reasons are they then
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