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Post by ontheup on Mar 20, 2014 15:28:30 GMT
Mills and Brown played for England C, and along with Tom Pett they were the lowest placed players in terms of the clubs they play for
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Post by Sennockian69 on Mar 20, 2014 16:32:38 GMT
The reality is our players are good enough for this level but would never be good enough for the next level. That's a nonsense statement, the majority of players we have are in all honesty to good for this league, just look at Worgan, Collin and dare I say Tommy Mills, Jack Parkinson and the new chap we have just signed If what you were saying were true then we wouldn't be getting the results we have had in March. You are implying that the 3 or so missing players are making the difference between success or failure.
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Post by toonarmy on Mar 20, 2014 17:41:57 GMT
What I am saying is we have a group of quality players, who unfortunately haven't been able to play in a settled team during the 2nd half of the season, form is temporary, class is permanent
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Post by islandstone on Mar 20, 2014 18:05:26 GMT
The reality is our players are good enough for this level but would never be good enough for the next level. Idiot.
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Post by nws on Mar 20, 2014 20:53:49 GMT
Secondly, having a pop at young David on such a basis is a bit silly. He is a seaso ticket holder. Ok, the reason I pointed out that we went to the away matches, was that Dave was suggested we shouldn't moan about matches that he didn't see! He is a season ticket holder, so am I what does that prove? Maybe if he went to the away matches he'd have a better understanding of some of our frustrations Sorry to point out that inconvenient thing called the truth but David actually suggested that Oxfordinmaid apply the job based on the facts that Oxfordinmaid was having a go at Jay in general not just away matches. Quotes such as, 'We need a manager not a nice guy' are not related to just away matches. As Oxfordinmaid was moaning more in general than just about away matches then David was well within his rights to have an opinion. Your posts seemed to suggest that he should not proffer his opinion on Oxfrdinmaid's posts based on the fact that Oxfordinmaid went to some away matches and spent lots of money on travelling there. I was merely pointing out that david spent money on a season ticket and went to home games plus a couple of away games. I note that you have avoided mentioning the same rule being applied to my views on home games based on my travelling further than you. Hypocrisy is the only word that can be uttered.
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Post by nws on Mar 20, 2014 20:56:57 GMT
We should also remember that while Tim has done many miles travelling to watch Maidstone you haven't been involved in unsavoury incidents such as abusing the fine security staff at Tonbridge, resulting in the need for police intervention..tut, tut. Very cleaver, you know full well where that trouble came from! It was well documented at the time, I received a full apology from both the Chairmen of Tonbridge and Maidstone Not sure why the chairman of Maidstone would want t apologise. As I recall you refused to comply with a perfectly reasonable request to use a different toilet (due to the clubhouse being out of bounds on safety grounds). this refusal to walk round one of a football pitch led to all sorts of trouble. Disgraceful. Not the sort of image we require
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Post by toonarmy on Mar 20, 2014 21:09:29 GMT
Can I just say everybody is entitled to their opinions whether you agree with them or not, we live in a democracy and can air our views, now i have got that out if the way, the thing that gets on my nerves and I have trotted the same line out in jest is the "we should be happy with how we are doing because we are back home" "we are doing better this time in the Ryman Premier" "we have a lovely ground" "we have great owners" whilst I agree with some of these sentiments it shouldn't give people the chance or opportunity to shout people down who may or may not be happy with the performance of a particular game.
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Post by medestan on Mar 20, 2014 21:23:14 GMT
Can I just say everybody is entitled to their opinions whether you agree with them or not, we live in a democracy and can air our views, now i have got that out if the way, the thing that gets on my nerves and I have trotted the same line out in jest is the "we should be happy with how we are doing because we are back home" "we are doing better this time in the Ryman Premier" "we have a lovely ground" "we have great owners" whilst I agree with some of these sentiments it shouldn't give people the chance or opportunity to shout people down who may or may not be happy with the performance of a particular game. usually suspects
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Post by islandstone on Mar 20, 2014 21:28:18 GMT
Very cleaver, you know full well where that trouble came from! It was well documented at the time, I received a full apology from both the Chairmen of Tonbridge and Maidstone Not sure why the chairman of Maidstone would want t apologise. As I recall you refused to comply with a perfectly reasonable request to use a different toilet (due to the clubhouse being out of bounds on safety grounds). this refusal to walk round one of a football pitch led to all sorts of trouble. Disgraceful. Not the sort of image we require I remember this, the security were way over the top and out of order. you couldn't even talk to them.....you had to grunt. saw poor tim tim get bouced of an ambulance to my memory...ironic.
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Post by nws on Mar 20, 2014 21:45:56 GMT
Can I just say everybody is entitled to their opinions whether you agree with them or not, we live in a democracy and can air our views, now i have got that out if the way, the thing that gets on my nerves and I have trotted the same line out in jest is the "we should be happy with how we are doing because we are back home" "we are doing better this time in the Ryman Premier" "we have a lovely ground" "we have great owners" whilst I agree with some of these sentiments it shouldn't give people the chance or opportunity to shout people down who may or may not be happy with the performance of a particular game. So David offering an opinion is shouting someone down while Oxfordinmaid continuing his one line attack on Jay is an opinion? If you are true to what you said on opinions then when someone offers an opinion then someone else is allowed to say something different and criticise that opinion because that is their opinion on that opinion. I guess you agree. Anyway, not a true-blood Maidstonian you don't have the right to opinion on this board, as your membership is merely associate
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Post by islandstone on Mar 20, 2014 22:17:53 GMT
Half of us aren't true bloods. This means we are subjects or citizens of Maidstone? I'm of course, a thorough bred from bromers, there for above all of you. Wot wot.
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Post by harryhaddock on Mar 20, 2014 23:15:27 GMT
What never ceases to amaze me is this idea that the manager can stop players hoofing a ball etc etc. Once players cross the line it's on them how they play.
As a season ticket holder who's only attended Kingstonian and ETU away games I can only comment on what I've seen, but taking the two away games Jay lined the team up very similarly as outlined below, 442 on both occasions.
Kingstonian - ETU Worgan - Worgan Cox - D. Parkinson Mills - Mills J Parkinson - Andrews Sobers - Sobers Woolery - Hughes-Mason Brown - Brown Phillips - Phillips Flisher - Flisher Collin - Harris Attwood - Attwood
First game against the team at the top we won comfortably, second against the team near the bottom we lose convincingly. Jay's fault? How differently did we approach the games, I'm sure simularly. Did he line the team up wrong, don't think so, most would have chosen the same XI.
I'm just not sure what this mystical plan B is to be honest, it's mentioned a lot but no one explains what they would have done differently. Could the dissenters care to enlighten us?!
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Post by tim on Mar 21, 2014 9:26:07 GMT
What never ceases to amaze me is this idea that the manager can stop players hoofing a ball etc etc. Once players cross the line it's on them how they play. I'm just not sure what this mystical plan B is to be honest, it's mentioned a lot but no one explains what they would have done differently. Could the dissenters care to enlighten us?! I would have thought your first point is obvious, if Jay doesn't want them to 'hoof it' maybe he should get the message to the players from the technical area, and if they don't listen, shout at them if they still don't listen, get rid of them Are we really saying the players don't listen to the manager The mythical plan B; this is where a manager reviews during a game the tactics, and changes them via substitutions or formations if the original plan isn't working For example, Dave Anderson Harrow home, 4-1 down tactical change draw 4-4 could have won! I hope this helps?
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Post by daveu on Mar 21, 2014 12:54:44 GMT
Ade, while I'm flattered that you feel the urge to defend me, it's really not necessary. I'm man enough to take the criticism, unlike some on here who start crying every time I disagree with their arguments.
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Post by harryhaddock on Mar 21, 2014 21:26:29 GMT
What never ceases to amaze me is this idea that the manager can stop players hoofing a ball etc etc. Once players cross the line it's on them how they play. I'm just not sure what this mystical plan B is to be honest, it's mentioned a lot but no one explains what they would have done differently. Could the dissenters care to enlighten us?! I would have thought your first point is obvious, if Jay doesn't want them to 'hoof it' maybe he should get the message to the players from the technical area, and if they don't listen, shout at them if they still don't listen, get rid of them Are we really saying the players don't listen to the manager The mythical plan B; this is where a manager reviews during a game the tactics, and changes them via substitutions or formations if the original plan isn't working For example, Dave Anderson Harrow home, 4-1 down tactical change draw 4-4 could have won! I hope this helps? I'm clear now, Jay should have stood there shouting and all would have been ok, it's so easy why didn't I think of that!! I never realised football was as simple as the louder the manager shouted the better players play!! Still you're right I'm sure given he spoke to the players at half time told them to win and they didn't listen and as the 3 changes he made didn't work he should have come in Wednesday and 'got rid' of the 8 players who played poorly and the 3 subs who made no impact. Quick call should do it I'm sure, then he could ring the 11 other players ready and waiting to join us. And to be clear I understand what plan B is, it's just funny how everyone says Jay should have a plan B, yet never states what they'd have done differently themselves!! Easy to moan, but haven't seen anyone say what they'd have done differently against ETU.....oh sorry I forgot you'd have shouted more!!
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