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Post by steveh21 on Jan 7, 2023 8:58:49 GMT
Its just soneone's point of view with whom you happen to agree. For others it just reads like another typical moany effort from jdl. What has he got wrong?
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Post by daveu on Jan 7, 2023 9:55:49 GMT
Its just soneone's point of view with whom you happen to agree. For others it just reads like another typical moany effort from jdl. What has he got wrong? Opinion is never right or wrong, it's simply a point of view. You either agree or not.
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Post by steveh21 on Jan 7, 2023 11:27:27 GMT
Opinion is never right or wrong, it's simply a point of view. You either agree or not. What don't u agree with and why?
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Post by daveu on Jan 7, 2023 12:32:09 GMT
Opinion is never right or wrong, it's simply a point of view. You either agree or not. What don't u agree with and why? I agree with some of it, but it's a bit OTT. However, whether I agree is beside the point. It's still only an opinion.
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Post by jdl on Jan 7, 2023 22:38:26 GMT
Its just soneone's point of view with whom you happen to agree. For others it just reads like another typical moany effort from jdl. Enlighten me - where was the moaning?
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Post by Harry on Jan 7, 2023 22:47:35 GMT
Carry on jdl. It's what you say, it's how you think, it's what you are, simply engrained in every fibre of your being. But keep up the good work, don't change, it's a great read. You posts even manage to make swordy seem the most happy go lucky character with a wildly optimistic outlook on all things Stones.
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Post by sword65 on Jan 7, 2023 23:46:21 GMT
Carry on jdl. It's what you say, it's how you think, it's what you are, simply engrained in every fibre of your being. But keep up the good work, don't change, it's a great read. You posts even manage to make swordy seem the most happy go lucky character with a wildly optimistic outlook on all things Stones. Steady!🤣
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Post by nws on Jan 8, 2023 0:46:00 GMT
Our natural home is the NL, and I see no reason why that shouldn't be. We have an excellent ground and facilities, good owners, and better support than many regular NL clubs. I see this season not as a failure on the pitch, but as a failure of club and team management. After our three season NL baptism of fire, and last year's championship season, we should not be looking at another disastrous, throwing in the towel, relegation season, first time back. After all, even after going up 'by accident' last time, with a part-time squad and a rookie manager, we managed to survive two seasons (and may have survived more had the owners not panicked). This year, with a seasoned manager and championship winning side, we have looked dead cert for relegation almost from day one. That simply should not be happening. I accept, of course (I've watched football for 50+ years, after all) that you get good and bad seasons, so the odd dip back into the NS is to be expected (and even enjoyed). But what I cannot accept is the shite we've had to watch this season - watching games without hope, week after week. If we're going to go down, let's at least fight and try to stay up. Let's take it right to the wire, not look like we're down and out by Christmas. In the last 7 years, we've had two good cracks at the NL, two indifferent NS seasons and one championship-winning season - not bad at all. But we've also had to endure two hopeless NL relegations seasons - both of which were entirely unnecessary and could have, if not been avoided, at least involved some fight and hope. So NL, yes. NS occasionally, OK. But please no more gutless bloody relegation seasons. We were in th NL for 3 seasons not two. We suffered one relegation season in the last seven years. How can we be in the NS occasionally without getting relegated?
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Post by 61666 on Jan 8, 2023 11:12:33 GMT
So, Hak is now getting some support on other threads. Fair enough and I certainly find it rather sad that he seems to have failed on numerous fronts this season. However... We know there are many things wrong at the moment, so is it acceptable to do nothing and embrace the inevitable? For me, that is fine if we assume we are essentially an NLS club, one that is going to occasionally flirt with the NL. On the other hand, if we think we are NL, then the Club need to be doing something about it, while there is still a chance, however faint, that we can stay up. A lot of fingers are pointing at the manager, coaches and players, but what about higher up? Shock, horror, yes - Bill, Terry and Oliver? Don't get me wrong, all three deserve the freedom of Maidstone, statues at the gates and a stand named after each of them. The club owes its existence to them. Nevertheless, I would say it is arguable that they are partly responsible for why we don't seem able to prosper in the NL, because 90% of it seems to revolve around money. Our resources are finite and they run (rightly) a tight ship. Quite why additional investors can't be attracted is a mystery this far - unless those with cash to splash want overall control as well - and who will blame our holy trinity for wanting to ensure what they have built from nothing stays healthy, long into the future? So, while it is still Oliver, Bill and Terry, I think we're are an NLS team, who might flirt with the NL from time to time. As such, we just have to put up with a miserable season every few years. Back to this season though: the club is now so far up shit creek/down the Swannee that there must be a serious risk that we could struggle next season as well, because the chances of many players staying on could be slim. The better ones will get picked off by NL clubs and/or NLS with more money and others will simply look for a change. Could Hak do it again? Maybe, but he will be starting with a blank sheet of paper and I'm far from sure his black book has much merit now. Anyway, all down to the owners, so let's wait and see who the new investors turn out to be - then, I suspect, there may well be changes afoot.
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Post by jdl on Jan 10, 2023 10:23:57 GMT
Carry on jdl. It's what you say, it's how you think, it's what you are, simply engrained in every fibre of your being. But keep up the good work, don't change, it's a great read. You posts even manage to make swordy seem the most happy go lucky character with a wildly optimistic outlook on all things Stones. So it's all just your biased opinion. No shred of fact or evidence. Why am I not surprised...
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Post by jdl on Jan 10, 2023 10:38:40 GMT
So, Hak is now getting some support on other threads. Fair enough and I certainly find it rather sad that he seems to have failed on numerous fronts this season. However... We know there are many things wrong at the moment, so is it acceptable to do nothing and embrace the inevitable? For me, that is fine if we assume we are essentially an NLS club, one that is going to occasionally flirt with the NL. On the other hand, if we think we are NL, then the Club need to be doing something about it, while there is still a chance, however faint, that we can stay up. A lot of fingers are pointing at the manager, coaches and players, but what about higher up? Shock, horror, yes - Bill, Terry and Oliver? Don't get me wrong, all three deserve the freedom of Maidstone, statues at the gates and a stand named after each of them. The club owes its existence to them. Nevertheless, I would say it is arguable that they are partly responsible for why we don't seem able to prosper in the NL, because 90% of it seems to revolve around money. Our resources are finite and they run (rightly) a tight ship. Quite why additional investors can't be attracted is a mystery this far - unless those with cash to splash want overall control as well - and who will blame our holy trinity for wanting to ensure what they have built from nothing stays healthy, long into the future? So, while it is still Oliver, Bill and Terry, I think we're are an NLS team, who might flirt with the NL from time to time. As such, we just have to put up with a miserable season every few years. Back to this season though: the club is now so far up shit creek/down the Swannee that there must be a serious risk that we could struggle next season as well, because the chances of many players staying on could be slim. The better ones will get picked off by NL clubs and/or NLS with more money and others will simply look for a change. Could Hak do it again? Maybe, but he will be starting with a blank sheet of paper and I'm far from sure his black book has much merit now. Anyway, all down to the owners, so let's wait and see who the new investors turn out to be - then, I suspect, there may well be changes afoot. Difficult one. Like every other fan, I am eternally grateful to Terry, Oliver and Bill for giving me my club back and giving us such a lovely new stadium and all the success we've had since our return home. But, if I argue that, whatever we may feel individually, you have to judge managers by results and their record, then surely I should apply the same standards and judgement to the owners? And, yes, of course I should. They fucked up badly over Jay's sacking. But, worse still, they don't seem to have learnt much from the fallout from that. (I say "seem", to be fair, because of course I don't actually know.) But, I guess the fact that they gave me my club back pretty much gives them carte blanche to get almost everything wrong otherwise. Thinking back to the trauma of losing my club and the long wait for what seemed like an impossible resurrection (with apologies to the Wilderness Years supporters), whatever happens now is still infinitely preferable.
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Post by holysmokes66 on Jan 10, 2023 12:51:13 GMT
Seen some people calling for Jay to replace Hak - does anyone know if he is full time at Tonbridge?
Not saying I agree with him coming back, but wondering what the technicalities would be if we did approach him. If he has work separate to managing Tonbridge, it would be a very different ask to if he was a full time manager and could easily shift across, should he wish to of course.
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Post by pigbag on Jan 10, 2023 13:02:43 GMT
If we are serious about the club progressing and staying in the NL then Jay is not the answer. We need a manager with knowledge of the division and contacts with league clubs. One of the reason for Jay failing was that he did not have those attributes and the club did not have a scouting network. I don't think I could face another season where every loss was "One of them". He may be a good manager but we should be looking for someone better to take us to the next level.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2023 13:12:01 GMT
I don't think promotion to the FL is unobtainable but it relies on a large chunk of capital investment from any new owners we might end up with. It's okay for them to start spending money on stabilising the team - obviously that has to be priority number one - but longer term we need that new Town End stand in particular (complemented by the river side stand and an extension of the main stand across the present site of the changing block - bar building).
obviously we know the 3G and the revenue it brings in would have to go but, if the Town End stand was built with thought and a decent budget you could incorporate some money-making facilities into it. Crowds would of course be crucial and we'd need to double them to realistically play at that level without running up large debts.
It's all about investment. Either the new owner will be wealthy enough to get us there, or they won't (at least without bringing fellow new investors on board).
What we don't know at this stage, is whether Oliver and Terry are only selling the club itself, or the ground holding company too - that is crucial. Obviously a buyer of the club only, isn't going to spunk millions of their cash on a new stand unless they own at least a large chunk of the ground too.
We really need to wait and see how this pans out, and what exactly the new owner buys.
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Post by scooby on Jan 10, 2023 13:47:57 GMT
Could we please give big George a chance?
Do not do a scum and keep going back to the same old well travelled route. No to jay!
We want Barry watling!
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