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Post by pieman1982 on Jan 10, 2023 14:08:27 GMT
The gap between National League and the National South is just huge!
It is possible to live in the National League with this current set up as it is. Our Biggest strength as a club is the regular numbers of supporters and stability in careful financial control. I would take this over what happened to Billericay who had nothing, then had it all and now are left with very little again with a money bags owner gone.
The most important factor going forward is the new manager and their ability to build a team with careful recruitment with good contacts and knowledge of players at this level. Should we suddenly be pumped full of money by new or additional owners then this Managerial recruitment need not be quite so careful.
Let’s assume we stay as we are and the answer is a new manager given the same tools. In this case the club need to take their time and hold out for the best possible person. If that means leaving Big George in charge for a majority of the season then that will have to be the case. We can’t take a huge risk like we did with Wheeler. Easy to say I know and no I don’t have a huge list of names, but hopefully all the bits fall into place. I think the best way to deal with this is to accept this is a rebuild time and not expect too much for the rest of the season.
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Post by yorkshirestone on Jan 10, 2023 14:09:19 GMT
Could we please give big George a chance? Do not do a scum and keep going back to the same old well travelled route. No to jay! We want Barry watling!As if Scooby wasn't ageing you enough...
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Post by grovergreenstone on Jan 10, 2023 14:55:17 GMT
Im looking forward to seeing what George can do, no one is expecting anything other than defeat to Notts County and Wrexham, it would just be nice to look like the players care a little more and the team comes up with a little more than the long ball to little Jack tactics.
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Post by 61666 on Jan 11, 2023 9:06:05 GMT
Amazing how quick people are with their wishlist for our new owner! However, let's take step back and look at what are immediate priorities and problems are. Firstly, it seems things are far from right behind the scenes at the Gallagher, with some accusing fingers being pointed almost in the style of a certain spare prince. Bringing in George Elokobi looks a very good short term solution. He will take no nonsense and calm things down, while at the same time providing motivation on the pitch. The starting eleven at Notts County on Sunday could paint a very interesting picture in terms of who George finds worthy. Our second problem is of course the rest of this season. Will George be able to provide the bounce back so often seen following managerial change? We must hope so. Notts County may be less interested in the FAT following their home draw against BW and Wrexham's win over Bromley. Can we get a win on Sunday? It would be quite a boost, both on and off the pitch and likewise anything at home to Wrexham. It is what happens after that which will be pivotal - all those six pointer games against teams around before that most challenging of run ins to the end of the season. Suggest therefore that Mr Manchett's first priority is to boost the playing budget - assuming he wants us to stay up that is. We all know what is needed - managerial guile, defensive midfield and (somehow), the ability to score goals and be threatening at set pieces. Is this achievable? By no means certain, but we will know by the end of February you'd think. Does our new owner say 'Sod it, I'm not wasting money on tenuous short term gains. I'm here for the long haul'. Or does he gamble on keeping us in the NL and accepting that the next seasons will be just as tough? Terry and Oliver took us from nothing to a decent enough NLS platform. It will certainly be interestingly to know what Mr Manchett's vision is for the club. Drop to the NLS, build up our infrastructure and be ready to challenge for the NL in two years time, living within our means as per Terry and Oliver? Or gamble of staying in the NL and scrapping our way forwards from there? Interesting times ahead.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2023 10:06:47 GMT
Amazing how quick people are with their wishlist for our new owner! However, let's take step back and look at what are immediate priorities and problems are. Firstly, it seems things are far from right behind the scenes at the Gallagher, with some accusing fingers being pointed almost in the style of a certain spare prince. Bringing in George Elokobi looks a very good short term solution. He will take no nonsense and calm things down, while at the same time providing motivation on the pitch. The starting eleven at Notts County on Sunday could paint a very interesting picture in terms of who George finds worthy. Our second problem is of course the rest of this season. Will George be able to provide the bounce back so often seen following managerial change? We must hope so. Notts County may be less interested in the FAT following their home draw against BW and Wrexham's win over Bromley. Can we get a win on Sunday? It would be quite a boost, both on and off the pitch and likewise anything at home to Wrexham. It is what happens after that which will be pivotal - all those six pointer games against teams around before that most challenging of run ins to the end of the season. Suggest therefore that Mr Manchett's first priority is to boost the playing budget - assuming he wants us to stay up that is. We all know what is needed - managerial guile, defensive midfield and (somehow), the ability to score goals and be threatening at set pieces. Is this achievable? By no means certain, but we will know by the end of February you'd think. Does our new owner say 'Sod it, I'm not wasting money on tenuous short term gains. I'm here for the long haul'. Or does he gamble on keeping us in the NL and accepting that the next seasons will be just as tough? Terry and Oliver took us from nothing to a decent enough NLS platform. It will certainly be interestingly to know what Mr Manchett's vision is for the club. Drop to the NLS, build up our infrastructure and be ready to challenge for the NL in two years time, living within our means as per Terry and Oliver? Or gamble of staying in the NL and scrapping our way forwards from there? Interesting times ahead. Well he says in the KO article that he wants to stay up so that pretty much answers your question.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2023 10:54:02 GMT
We all want to stay up, It's about being willing to splurge on what might already be a lost cause and waste circa £300,000. I'd take a relegation if we knew improvements were going to happen in the next two years that would make us better able to compete in the National and beyond in the long term
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Post by sword65 on Jan 11, 2023 12:13:55 GMT
I hope supporters dont want too much to soon. In the current financial climate we are very lucky to get such investment,we don't want him frightened off by demanding too much in one go after all its probably cost £2,000,000 already just buying the controlling interest.
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Post by steveh21 on Jan 11, 2023 12:16:54 GMT
I hope supporters dont want too much to soon. In the current financial climate we are very lucky to get such investment,we don't want him frightened off by demanding too much in one go after all its probably cost £2,000,000 already just buying the controlling interest. I have been told a figure and it is not as hight as that Mick.
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Post by exiled on Jan 11, 2023 12:27:01 GMT
I hope supporters dont want too much to soon. In the current financial climate we are very lucky to get such investment,we don't want him frightened off by demanding too much in one go after all its probably cost £2,000,000 already just buying the controlling interest. I have been told a figure and it is not as hight as that Mick. According to last set of accounts which are in the public domain the Club were in debt to TC and OA to the tune of 2.5 Millon so a figure of 2 Millon investment for a 51% share seems about right
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Post by steveh21 on Jan 11, 2023 12:38:05 GMT
I was told £1.3m by a reliable source. Whatever the correct figure I am sure the deal is more complicated
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2023 12:58:12 GMT
It wont be for the full amount owed to Casey and Ash if they are retaining an interest so steves figure sounds right if they each retain 24%
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Post by sword65 on Jan 11, 2023 12:59:01 GMT
I was told £1.3m by a reliable source. Whatever the correct figure I am sure the deal is more complicated You're probably right Steve but it doesn't need supporters pressurising him to spend £millions more in a hurry. Reading what everybody want and is expecting would frighten the life out of me if I was Manchett, let the man settle in before you spend all of his money.
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Post by exiled on Jan 11, 2023 13:09:42 GMT
I was told £1.3m by a reliable source. Whatever the correct figure I am sure the deal is more complicated More than likely I understood that the club was being valued around the 5 Millon mark just seems odd that TC and OA future involvement as been labelled as only short term
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Post by steveh21 on Jan 11, 2023 13:16:11 GMT
I was told £1.3m by a reliable source. Whatever the correct figure I am sure the deal is more complicated More than likely I understood that the club was being valued around the 5 Millon mark just seems odd that TC and OA future involvement as been labelled as only short term Not really. Once you can no longer make the final decision as you are minority shareholders you can move away at your own pace, but still share your expertise for as long as it is needed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2023 13:23:21 GMT
I hope supporters dont want too much to soon. In the current financial climate we are very lucky to get such investment,we don't want him frightened off by demanding too much in one go after all its probably cost £2,000,000 already just buying the controlling interest. I have been told a figure and it is not as hight as that Mick. Unless he has bought a chunk of the ground holding company it can't possibly be anywhere near that figure. The club taken as a business on its own wouldn't be worth a million quid and remember, he has purchased a 51% share, not the whole thing. the purchase of shares from Oliver and Terry puts money in their pocket, not the club (i.e. he is purchasing shares from the directors, not the club). His capital investment in the actual business will be a separate amount. Given how keen Oliver and Terry were to move on my guess - and it is a guess - would be that he hasn't actually paid that much for the club shares but the agreement would have likely been that he puts x amount of capital into the club. The ground assets in the Holding Company are I think worth something like 3 million so that would be a higher figure but again, if he buys into that he is purchasing shares from the existing directors and the money paid is theirs and not the club's. In summary we all need to remember there are two separate businesses: one is the club, the other is the ground so it's not straightforward and that, when you buy a business you are purchasing shares from the owners and not the club itself.
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