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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 12:44:33 GMT
Believe you me, I don't. I don't want any of this to be happening but when you see a post with inaccuracy, cherry picking of facts to present a false picture and downright lies, I respond to it. Please note that when I have put the truth on here, pigbag is just left making empty promises and you are left slating me for doing nothing other than telling the truth. Brexit summed up. Just explain why you think everything you post is the truth, and anything anyone posts that goes against you is a lie. You cherry pick your arguments just as much as anyone else who's trying to make a point. After all who would quote a source that contradicts what they're trying to say. That doesn't mean your sources are any more reliable than anyone else's, they simply say what you want them to say. You can't simply dismiss everything you disagree with as a lie. We are both posting about the same programme if you bothered to read. The source is the same. I have merely provided accuracy. If you look at his post he claims the fisherman has increased his sales. The programme said his sales were down 40%. Check it or, alternatively, just flail about here making wild allegations and embarrassing yourself. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 12:47:34 GMT
Believe you me, I don't. I don't want any of this to be happening but when you see a post with inaccuracy, cherry picking of facts to present a false picture and downright lies, I respond to it. Please note that when I have put the truth on here, pigbag is just left making empty promises and you are left slating me for doing nothing other than telling the truth. Brexit summed up. I don't think you are happy unless you are finding fault with something, anything. If everything was perfect you would pick holes in perfection . This is what you do, what you are and you cannot admit it to yourself,but as long as you are happy. As for me, i will continue to let things wash over me because there is no point worrying about things that I cannot change. I probably dont have that long left to live I am gonna at least try to enjoy it and not worry about the world I live in. Well it's lucky I've been handed brexit and this government. I don't have to look for faults. It's at every twist and turn. I worry about the world I live in because I have kids. If you don't worry about the world you live in why did you vote for change? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 15:07:16 GMT
You completely miss the point. The programme set out to follow different businesses with the purpose of showing the effect of Brexit. What it ended showing was what a stupid bureaucracy the EU has become. It just reinforces why we were right to leave. It did not stop operations just made them more difficult. The lorry firm bought a new base but that did not mean they lost money. The base is a capital asset on the balance sheet and presumably replaced the base in the UK which for all you know could be sold for more than their new base cost. Why the need for Irish driving licences? Should we require every EU lorry driver to get a UK licence?
"The vegan confectionary bar mob finally got their shipment through. The wrangle over animal health certificates was quite nonsensical but if you vote for more bureaucracy then you get more bureaucracy. This was mentioned but brexiters were trained to shout project fear. The company was selling 50% more. These were in markets it could have sold to anyway and being in the EU hadn't affected this." We voted for less bureaucracy, that was a reason to leave. You seem to think that bureaucracy only started after we left.
The Scottish company found new markets and was expanding them - early days.
The message was the EU is stagnating and the future is in developing markets. As trade with these markets and America, north and south, increases the EU and its tariffs and bureaucracy will become less relevant. We are already importing a lot more from the rest of the world. I noticed grapes are coming from Egypt and India for example. Spuds from Tunisia, tomatoes from Morocco. I am sure there are many more examples. The EU was a great trading partner but politics ruined it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 15:42:45 GMT
You completely miss the point. The programme set out to follow different businesses with the purpose of showing the effect of Brexit. What it ended showing was what a stupid bureaucracy the EU has become. It just reinforces why we were right to leave. It did not stop operations just made them more difficult. The lorry firm bought a new base but that did not mean they lost money. The base is a capital asset on the balance sheet and presumably replaced the base in the UK which for all you know could be sold for more than their new base cost. Why the need for Irish driving licences? Should we require every EU lorry driver to get a UK licence? "The vegan confectionary bar mob finally got their shipment through. The wrangle over animal health certificates was quite nonsensical but if you vote for more bureaucracy then you get more bureaucracy. This was mentioned but brexiters were trained to shout project fear. The company was selling 50% more. These were in markets it could have sold to anyway and being in the EU hadn't affected this." We voted for less bureaucracy, that was a reason to leave. You seem to think that bureaucracy only started after we left. The Scottish company found new markets and was expanding them - early days. The message was the EU is stagnating and the future is in developing markets. As trade with these markets and America, north and south, increases the EU and its tariffs and bureaucracy will become less relevant. We are already importing a lot more from the rest of the world. I noticed grapes are coming from Egypt and India for example. Spuds from Tunisia, tomatoes from Morocco. I am sure there are many more examples. The EU was a great trading partner but politics ruined it. I'm not sure the lorry firm moved entirely just set up a satellite base. The point he made was they were now paying tax to the Netherlands that previously went to the UK. They didn't need the base prior to Brexit. The owner saw it as a cost. The need for Irish driving licences was due to Ireland being in the EU. Our driving licences would have been fine but we are now a third country and are treated as such. Its what you voted for. Now you seem surprised by it. Just shout project fear and claim they need us more than we need them. Most of the bureaucracy did start after we left. It's been widely reported and was remarked upon in the programme so why you are trying to pretend something else is beyond me and really underlines the world of pretence you are left inhabiting. The new markets you boast about could have been found anyway. As a single country, the US is our biggest trading partner. So much for NEW market. The EU wasn't a great trading partner. We were part of it. It's great news we are importing from all these places. You can read about how our farmers are really happy about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 16:57:56 GMT
You really are bitter aren't you. There were negatives from leaving the EU and I acknowledge that but you do not seem to understand that most of those who voted recognised that the future is not with the politics of the EU. I would love to go back to the original free trade arrangement that we voted for but not the political insular EU that we did not vote for. Leaving the EU was not about trade it was about the ability to make our own decisions on a myriad of things that will make us a better and more prosperous country. just an example of why the EU is despised. Maidstone prison (and many others) has razor wire on the walls and roofs. Did you know we pay a fine every year to the EU for such use?
You bang on about our farmers so I assume you want the UK to be a protectionist country and you approve the EU policy.
I am happy to drink NZ wine without the tariff added by the EU. Who pays the extra cost of tariffs?
Buying from poorer countries benefits them as well as ourselves.
Talking of project fear remember how the remainers forecasted the end of our motor industry?
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Post by jackster on Jul 12, 2021 18:36:03 GMT
Paying fines to the EU for using razor/barbed wire to support security in our prisons.
Daily Express/Sun article ?
The practice doesn't conform with EU regs BUT the UK has never paid any fine according to the Minister of Justice, recorded Parlimentary Questions/Answers, UK government statement.
But hey never mind, it's a good story, don't let the facts get in the way
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 19:42:35 GMT
I don't think you are happy unless you are finding fault with something, anything. If everything was perfect you would pick holes in perfection . This is what you do, what you are and you cannot admit it to yourself,but as long as you are happy. As for me, i will continue to let things wash over me because there is no point worrying about things that I cannot change. I probably dont have that long left to live I am gonna at least try to enjoy it and not worry about the world I live in. Well it's lucky I've been handed brexit and this government. I don't have to look for faults. It's at every twist and turn. I worry about the world I live in because I have kids. If you don't worry about the world you live in why did you vote for change? And I have no doubts whatsoever that your kids will be unable to change anything either. Why dont you try not reading a paper or watching the news for 3 months and see if it makes you any happier living in blissful ignorance of the world and its problems. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 19:48:37 GMT
You really are bitter aren't you. There were negatives from leaving the EU and I acknowledge that but you do not seem to understand that most of those who voted recognised that the future is not with the politics of the EU. I would love to go back to the original free trade arrangement that we voted for but not the political insular EU that we did not vote for. Leaving the EU was not about trade it was about the ability to make our own decisions on a myriad of things that will make us a better and more prosperous country. just an example of why the EU is despised. Maidstone prison (and many others) has razor wire on the walls and roofs. Did you know we pay a fine every year to the EU for such use? You bang on about our farmers so I assume you want the UK to be a protectionist country and you approve the EU policy. I am happy to drink NZ wine without the tariff added by the EU. Who pays the extra cost of tariffs? Buying from poorer countries benefits them as well as ourselves. Talking of project fear remember how the remainers forecasted the end of our motor industry? So having failed dismally on your trade argument you now move to the mystical freedom to do things argument. The fine you claim we pay. Do you have a source for this story or is it something you have read somewhere and think it might be vaguely true so you thought you'd post it here. You may be happy to have cheap agricultural products that have travelled halfway round the world but farmers in the UK are less happy, as they may find they have no businesses. I thought this was about enhancing UK jobs not destroying them. The predictions about the automotive industry were if we got no free trade deal so you have been disingenuous again. I might also point aout that the predictions about destroying British manufacturing and agriculture originally came from Patrick Minford. Here are some other 'Project Fear' predictions: You will need a border between us and Ireland and this is a problem. Having yelled something about technology that turned out not to be true we now find NI in limbo and the wonderful government complaining about the deal they negotiated and signed and you voted for. You were told it was wonderful. Now it turns out they didn't really understand what they were signing. We will be hit with more regulation and red tape. You claimed that this would all be cut. A bonfire of regulations. Well, £7.5bn estimated extra spend on regulation (HMRC) doesn't seem to be cutting red tape. We will almost certainly cut red tape by compromising standards. We will allow cheap imports in that undercut our higher standard products and that will lead to job losses (Patrick Minford's prediction). Rather than have foreign people working here we are now gonna send the job to them. They don't even have to come here. We've already allowed the Delta variant covid strain to run riot here because we left the borders to India open for three weeks so desperate Johnson could get a trade deal (that allows a certain number of Indians in each year). We see food trade falling down and firms complaining but all we have is empty words about an unspecified gain in an unspecified time. Oh and some made up nonsense about regulations that either don't exist or aren't enforced. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 19:49:29 GMT
Well it's lucky I've been handed brexit and this government. I don't have to look for faults. It's at every twist and turn. I worry about the world I live in because I have kids. If you don't worry about the world you live in why did you vote for change? And I have no doubts whatsoever that your kids will be unable to change anything either. Why dont you try not reading a paper or watching the news for 3 months and see if it makes you any happier living in blissful ignorance of the world and its problems. Yes. Then I will vote for idiotic things and rubbish governments |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 20:28:12 GMT
And I have no doubts whatsoever that your kids will be unable to change anything either. Why dont you try not reading a paper or watching the news for 3 months and see if it makes you any happier living in blissful ignorance of the world and its problems. Yes. Then I will vote for idiotic things and rubbish governments There us the problem you still think your one vote means something,it doesnt. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 20:33:35 GMT
Yes. Then I will vote for idiotic things and rubbish governments There us the problem you still think your one vote means something,it doesnt. So why do brexiters keep going on about democracy then? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 21:09:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 2:20:10 GMT
Yes. Then I will vote for idiotic things and rubbish governments There us the problem you still think your one vote means something,it doesnt. If voting changed anything then they would ban it |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 5:07:45 GMT
There us the problem you still think your one vote means something,it doesnt. So why do brexiters keep going on about democracy then? And you still like getting the last word in |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 22:05:30 GMT
So why do brexiters keep going on about democracy then? And you still like getting the last word in And you still avoid the questions. |
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