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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 9:57:21 GMT
I can't give you a number sword, but millions of Irish people have family in the UK. There is so much that we have in common.
Sorry you dont share the same view.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 10:06:56 GMT
I can't give you a number sword, but millions of Irish people have family in the UK. There is so much that we have in common. Sorry you dont share the same view. Out of sight,out of mind. I only care about England ,well sometimes ,well every other Thursday at 06.12 in the morning. I have learnt in my 56 years living in hell that nobody gives a shit about me and so I reciprocate those feelings. Never mind, with Belmarsh Bob being banged up for 3 more years I look forward to what non English resident will be next door to me soon or will it be another of the unwanted scum that Lewisham council are depositing all over Kent. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 14:19:13 GMT
Regardless of how you read the data (and to me, it doesn't appear at all good at the moment), there is more than a whiff of 'Boris doesn't do detail' about things.
Opening things up is all well and good, but seems to me there is more than a lack of joined up thinking going on. For example, somebody clearly didn't equate rising case numbers with folk needing to quarantine - hence 'freedom' could well be limited by large numbers being off work, so nobody to man the bars, cafes etc.
Then there's the foreign travel thing. It seems other countries are keen to welcome us, or our money, but add in the airport queues and the fact that some countries could yet turn from amber to red and you sense it could yet end in tears.
The fact that Tonbridge and Malling Council's bin collection service can't find enough lorry drivers at the moment probably sums up the wider situation - even if Covid is somehow under control, there is a shitload of other stuff that isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 16:12:06 GMT
Regardless of how you read the data (and to me, it doesn't appear at all good at the moment), there is more than a whiff of 'Boris doesn't do detail' about things. Opening things up is all well and good, but seems to me there is more than a lack of joined up thinking going on. For example, somebody clearly didn't equate rising case numbers with folk needing to quarantine - hence 'freedom' could well be limited by large numbers being off work, so nobody to man the bars, cafes etc. Then there's the foreign travel thing. It seems other countries are keen to welcome us, or our money, but add in the airport queues and the fact that some countries could yet turn from amber to red and you sense it could yet end in tears. The fact that Tonbridge and Malling Council's bin collection service can't find enough lorry drivers at the moment probably sums up the wider situation - even if Covid is somehow under control, there is a shitload of other stuff that isn't. Tonbridge and Malling bin collections are private contractors and the reason they cannot get drivers is because they had their contracts ripped up and new ones written ,more hours for less money. I know this cis my upstairs neighbour works in the bins and many walked away as there are ample job opportunities elsewhere at the moment. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 17:58:25 GMT
Northern Ireland did not have to be in limbo, that was clearly a ploy by the EU. The choice was a border in Ireland, a border in the Irish sea or a sensible compromise but the EU were dogmatic knowing the other 2 decisions would hurt their own member more than the UK. It is a good example of why we could not tolerate the politics of being in the EU. The SNP have been agitating for a new vote ever since they lost the last one. They fail to recognise that "independence" would exchange control by Westminster to control by Brussels. If the EU cannot deal with the Irish border how would they manage the Scotland/England border? We agree on the gigafactories but would we have had them if we remained in the EU. I say that because the government is ploughing a lot of money and incentives to protect the car industry and would not have been allowed to do that under EU rules - remember how we were not allowed to support the steel industry? I see we're back to unicorn thinking again. The steel industry...try this quote from the man running the thing. "British Steel’s chief executive, Gerald Reichmann, blamed weak market demand, high raw material prices, the weakness of sterling and uncertainty over the outcome of Brexit discussions." You see that he doesn't mention state aid rules. They used it as a smokescreen to hide behind. Weak sterling (brexit caused) and a lower order book (brexit caused) were two of the big reasons for British Steel's problems. Brexiters were told before and after their 'victory', the problem with Ireland. They labelled it project fear and then made up fanciful stories for 6 months about technology that doesn't exist today. If there is a compromise then tell us what it is. Better still, send it to Mr D Frost (the unelected bureaucrat responsible for such matters) because he negotiated and agreed the current deal, clearly without knowing this compromise. I'm all ears to hear how you have two different sets of regulation either side of an open border. Go for it... Do you know why they don't simply put a border between Northern Ireland and Southern ireland? When you've worked out the answer to that then ask yourself if that would apply to the Scotland/England border. Jeez... Its almost as though agitated for/voted for/won (🤣🤣🤣) something without knowing anything about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 18:48:51 GMT
Who gives a flying f**k about Ireland? Well you were banging on about control our borders. I don't see much control with our land border in Ireland or Gibraltar at present. It's almost as though CONTROL OUR BORDERS was a vacuous statement designed to get people to vote for something that would allow some rich people to do things/avoid things, often against the interests of the majority of the voters. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2021 14:34:39 GMT
Slogan: "If not, when?"
Implication: 'We can't wait for ever'.
Reality: We don't have to wait for ever - just keep the current restrictions until 80% of population has had both jabs. At the current rate, that will be Sept/Oct, but, it could be achieved sooner.
Slogan: "We have to learn to live with Covid, just like we live with flu".
'Implication: 'Covid is just like flu – we’re happy to cope with flu, we can cope with Covid'.
Reality: Covid and flu are very different - Covid is much nastier, much more infectious, mutates more easily, and kills more people than flu. And we didn't decide to 'live with flu', we only do that because we can't stop it - we have been trying for at least a century not to have to 'live with flu'. If we could find a vaccination that would give us the same protection from flu as the vaccinations do against Covid, the government would be running a mass vaccination programme right now, so that we didn't have to 'live with flu'.
Slogan: "We need our freedom back".
Implication: 'The government has taken away important freedoms - getting those back is worth the risk of letting Covid loose'.
Reality: It's not the government that has imposed restrictions on us, it's the virus. And just how many actual 'freedoms' have we lost? My life is no different than it was before Covid, except that I have to wear a mask in shops, and on buses, and I’ve had to forgo live football - both of which I am more than happy to do if it keeps me and others well (and alive). To equate the lockdown restriction with real freedoms like the freedom of speech, universal suffrage, etc is beyond stupid. And, ironically, the people who really have lost their freedoms are those for whom Covid is a serious threat, and they won't regain any freedoms if the restrictions are relaxed - life will be much harder and more dangerous for them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2021 16:39:23 GMT
Look pal, if you don't like it stay indoors. No one's forcing you into social interaction. No one's saying you shouldn't wear a mask. I will certainly still be wearing a mask in shops etc. But your constant assumption that you know better than the medical experts advising the government is wearing a bit thin now. Time you realised you're only posting your opinion, not facts.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2021 17:03:33 GMT
Did anyone see the excellent Panorama programme following several companies after Brexit. Had to laugh at the exporter who created a base and Warehouse in Belgium or Holland to get round the EU rules and paperwork (and less tax) only to find that English drivers were not allowed to drive in the EU. The solution was to send his drivers to Dublin where they got Irish passports which then allowed them to drive in the EU - stupidity when we have stricter tests. Scottish shellfish/lobster company on brink of going under after EU refused the produce. They found a solution by exporting to the far east and to Saudi and now have so much more business. A VEGAN confectioner who found the load to Malta was detained for for months for animal product certificates!!!! They found the paperwork meant it was not worth while. They now have vastly increased production and sell the Canada, the US and the Gulf states which they would not have contemplated before. I am sure some industries have suffered or not explored other markets but the programme set out to illustrate how leaving the EU was a disaster but ended by showing the opportunities offered by worldwide trade. It is still early days but I predict in 5 years time we will wonder what all the fuss was about as we prosper from trade with the faster growing emerging markets.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2021 19:00:03 GMT
Did anyone see the excellent Panorama programme following several companies after Brexit. Had to laugh at the exporter who created a base and Warehouse in Belgium or Holland to get round the EU rules and paperwork (and less tax) only to find that English drivers were not allowed to drive in the EU. The solution was to send his drivers to Dublin where they got Irish passports which then allowed them to drive in the EU - stupidity when we have stricter tests. Scottish shellfish/lobster company on brink of going under after EU refused the produce. They found a solution by exporting to the far east and to Saudi and now have so much more business. A VEGAN confectioner who found the load to Malta was detained for for months for animal product certificates!!!! They found the paperwork meant it was not worth while. They now have vastly increased production and sell the Canada, the US and the Gulf states which they would not have contemplated before. I am sure some industries have suffered or not explored other markets but the programme set out to illustrate how leaving the EU was a disaster but ended by showing the opportunities offered by worldwide trade. It is still early days but I predict in 5 years time we will wonder what all the fuss was about as we prosper from trade with the faster growing emerging markets. So having quite stupidly tried to claim creating a border between England and Scotland would be more problematic than creating one in Ireland we move to the next pile of utter nonsense. The lorry company you found funny had spent £3.5m to create their Dutch base they hadn't needed pre-brexit only to find they needed to spend £130,000 getting Irish passports for their English drivers. I don't think the boss was as amused as you. He estimated he had spent nearly £4m. Hilarious. The vegan confectionary bar mob finally got their shipment through. The wrangle over animal health certificates was quite nonsensical but if you vote for more bureaucracy then you get more bureaucracy. This was mentioned but brexiters were trained to shout project fear. The company was selling 50% more. These were in markets it could have sold to anyway and being in the EU hadn't affected this. The Scottish shellfish company, you have lied about. It had indeed opened up new markets in the far East etc. The owner didn't think it was great but it kept them alive. I'm interested in your claim of more sales because their sales were 40% down and he was saying that what would make him smile a bit more was the compensation he was going to get from the UK government. It was mentioned that 2,300 companies had relocated to the EU and the UK treasury would receive less tax as a result. In summation. They followed 3 companies. Two were pretty unimpressed with brexit but were trying to work round it. The third, prompted by increased bureaucracy. had found new markets. They could have found them anyway and being in the EU wasn't stopping them. On bureaucracy (remember we were promised less) it will cost the UK £7.5bn a year. What a success. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 12:48:42 GMT
Early days
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 13:14:56 GMT
It could be a roaring success and nws would still find fault with it,its what he lives and breathes for. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 13:31:02 GMT
It could be a roaring success and nws would still find fault with it,its what he lives and breathes for. Believe you me, I don't. I don't want any of this to be happening but when you see a post with inaccuracy, cherry picking of facts to present a false picture and downright lies, I respond to it. Please note that when I have put the truth on here, pigbag is just left making empty promises and you are left slating me for doing nothing other than telling the truth. Brexit summed up. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 14:50:03 GMT
It could be a roaring success and nws would still find fault with it,its what he lives and breathes for. Believe you me, I don't. I don't want any of this to be happening but when you see a post with inaccuracy, cherry picking of facts to present a false picture and downright lies, I respond to it. Please note that when I have put the truth on here, pigbag is just left making empty promises and you are left slating me for doing nothing other than telling the truth. Brexit summed up. I don't think you are happy unless you are finding fault with something, anything. If everything was perfect you would pick holes in perfection . This is what you do, what you are and you cannot admit it to yourself,but as long as you are happy. As for me, i will continue to let things wash over me because there is no point worrying about things that I cannot change. I probably dont have that long left to live I am gonna at least try to enjoy it and not worry about the world I live in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 17:51:20 GMT
It could be a roaring success and nws would still find fault with it,its what he lives and breathes for. Believe you me, I don't. I don't want any of this to be happening but when you see a post with inaccuracy, cherry picking of facts to present a false picture and downright lies, I respond to it. Please note that when I have put the truth on here, pigbag is just left making empty promises and you are left slating me for doing nothing other than telling the truth. Brexit summed up. Just explain why you think everything you post is the truth, and anything anyone posts that goes against you is a lie. You cherry pick your arguments just as much as anyone else who's trying to make a point. After all who would quote a source that contradicts what they're trying to say. That doesn't mean your sources are any more reliable than anyone else's, they simply say what you want them to say. You can't simply dismiss everything you disagree with as a lie. |
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