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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 12:59:27 GMT
NWS you are right about Boris (there I have said it). What it should tell you is that the alternative is so god awful that people are prepared to stick with him. He gets things wrong (and lies about them) but he gets things done. We voted to leave the EU and for better or worse he achieved that. The migrant problem is another thing that divides people but the latest measures may solve the problem of the boat people putting their lives at risk and enriching the people peddlers. On the positives we have a deal with Australia and the car industry seems to have a future and jobs have been protected and new ones created. Investment in the North is happening. Now we see the end of lockdown. Yes there are risks but the judgement is they are manageable and the businesses most affected can now start planning for the future. Now contrast with Keir Starmer. Yes he quotes facts but it is all about being clever in hindsight. When asked what he would do if he was PM he waffles and avoids answering and is no better than Boris. No-one knows what Starmer or the Labour party stand for. "Make more at home and buy British" is the limit of their policy and we can all agree with that but ask for details of how that should be made to happen and - nothing. When you voted to leave did you envision this though? Northern Ireland in limbo, Scotland agitating to become independent, export businesses struggling to get their stuff to places and some relocating. Export business tanking. I'm glad we got the gigafactory but the reality is that we need 7 such factories to keep pace with other countries. We have one possibly two more planned. The superb Australian deal may be the first step to lower standards and it will undermine British farming. It will also lead to an expectancy of 'par' from the US. The Australians can't believe how good the deal was for them. I have no clue whether Starmer would be worse but he will, at least, be honest and his decision making is more likely to be thought through not just what the latest person gabbling in your ear has said. I appreciate you can Johnson is pretty poor but, honestly, the man is a walking disaster who makes poor decision after poor decision and endorses corruption all the way up the line. If you are prepared to take a gamble on brexit why would you not be equally prepared to gamble on something that gets rid of Johnson? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 13:00:59 GMT
Only speed read it. Is there any mention of long covid in there |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 14:17:42 GMT
Yes.
From BBC News on PM's questions:
At PMQs, Keir Starmer asks Boris Johnson if he is comfortable with the health secretary's suggestion there could be 100,000 cases a day (so he wants us to be more careful)
Starmer says the delay in relaxing self-isolation rules for the fully-vaccinated will mean chaos and millions having to self-isolate (so he doesn't want people to have to self-isolate).
I think Starmer's read "Opposition Leadership for Dummies" and only got to the bit about disagreeing with everything the government says.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 16:24:33 GMT
NWS you are right about Boris (there I have said it). What it should tell you is that the alternative is so god awful that people are prepared to stick with him. He gets things wrong (and lies about them) but he gets things done. We voted to leave the EU and for better or worse he achieved that. The migrant problem is another thing that divides people but the latest measures may solve the problem of the boat people putting their lives at risk and enriching the people peddlers. On the positives we have a deal with Australia and the car industry seems to have a future and jobs have been protected and new ones created. Investment in the North is happening. Now we see the end of lockdown. Yes there are risks but the judgement is they are manageable and the businesses most affected can now start planning for the future. Now contrast with Keir Starmer. Yes he quotes facts but it is all about being clever in hindsight. When asked what he would do if he was PM he waffles and avoids answering and is no better than Boris. No-one knows what Starmer or the Labour party stand for. "Make more at home and buy British" is the limit of their policy and we can all agree with that but ask for details of how that should be made to happen and - nothing. When you voted to leave did you envision this though? Northern Ireland in limbo, Scotland agitating to become independent, export businesses struggling to get their stuff to places and some relocating. Export business tanking. I'm glad we got the gigafactory but the reality is that we need 7 such factories to keep pace with other countries. We have one possibly two more planned. The superb Australian deal may be the first step to lower standards and it will undermine British farming. It will also lead to an expectancy of 'par' from the US. The Australians can't believe how good the deal was for them. I have no clue whether Starmer would be worse but he will, at least, be honest and his decision making is more likely to be thought through not just what the latest person gabbling in your ear has said. I appreciate you can Johnson is pretty poor but, honestly, the man is a walking disaster who makes poor decision after poor decision and endorses corruption all the way up the line. If you are prepared to take a gamble on brexit why would you not be equally prepared to gamble on something that gets rid of Johnson? He will be honest until voted into power then he will lie through his teeth just like Boris and every politician there has ever been. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 16:54:51 GMT
When you voted to leave did you envision this though? Northern Ireland in limbo, Scotland agitating to become independent, export businesses struggling to get their stuff to places and some relocating. Export business tanking. I'm glad we got the gigafactory but the reality is that we need 7 such factories to keep pace with other countries. We have one possibly two more planned. The superb Australian deal may be the first step to lower standards and it will undermine British farming. It will also lead to an expectancy of 'par' from the US. The Australians can't believe how good the deal was for them. I have no clue whether Starmer would be worse but he will, at least, be honest and his decision making is more likely to be thought through not just what the latest person gabbling in your ear has said. I appreciate you can Johnson is pretty poor but, honestly, the man is a walking disaster who makes poor decision after poor decision and endorses corruption all the way up the line. If you are prepared to take a gamble on brexit why would you not be equally prepared to gamble on something that gets rid of Johnson? He will be honest until voted into power then he will lie through his teeth just like Boris and every politician there has ever been. No politician has ever lied like Alex. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 17:06:20 GMT
He will be honest until voted into power then he will lie through his teeth just like Boris and every politician there has ever been. No politician has ever lied like Alex. It's a prerequisite of the job. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 17:17:05 GMT
Northern Ireland did not have to be in limbo, that was clearly a ploy by the EU. The choice was a border in Ireland, a border in the Irish sea or a sensible compromise but the EU were dogmatic knowing the other 2 decisions would hurt their own member more than the UK. It is a good example of why we could not tolerate the politics of being in the EU. The SNP have been agitating for a new vote ever since they lost the last one. They fail to recognise that "independence" would exchange control by Westminster to control by Brussels. If the EU cannot deal with the Irish border how would they manage the Scotland/England border?
We agree on the gigafactories but would we have had them if we remained in the EU. I say that because the government is ploughing a lot of money and incentives to protect the car industry and would not have been allowed to do that under EU rules - remember how we were not allowed to support the steel industry?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 1:37:11 GMT
Northern Ireland did not have to be in limbo, that was clearly a ploy by the EU. The choice was a border in Ireland, a border in the Irish sea or a sensible compromise but the EU were dogmatic knowing the other 2 decisions would hurt their own member more than the UK. It is a good example of why we could not tolerate the politics of being in the EU. The SNP have been agitating for a new vote ever since they lost the last one. They fail to recognise that "independence" would exchange control by Westminster to control by Brussels. If the EU cannot deal with the Irish border how would they manage the Scotland/England border? We agree on the gigafactories but would we have had them if we remained in the EU. I say that because the government is ploughing a lot of money and incentives to protect the car industry and would not have been allowed to do that under EU rules - remember how we were not allowed to support the steel industry? Did anyone honestly believe that the EU would not protect their own interests should someone try to leave, and thereby encourage others? I don't think my club will allow me to leave, stop paying dues, but still allow me to use the facilities. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 7:47:07 GMT
Brexit was a real opportunity for Northern Ireland but, as usual, the Protestant politicians blew it. It could have been a chance to form a united Ireland. Let's face it, people in the Republic are hardly going to enslave them, or deny them human rights on any level.
Am sure there was also a chance to use the so called Irish Sea border to their advantage, but no. The tin pot, Protestant, politicians have enjoyed status and influence way above their merit for far too long, especially in terms of propping up wafer thin majorities in Westminster for favours in NI.
They still hate the Catholics, because why else would they allow the marching season to happen the way it does, openly threatening Catholic areas? Essentially, they like the power, just as, right up to the 1970s, local councils were run by protestants in Derry, even though Catholic voters out numbered them two to one.
The Catholics are not blameless of course, but back any population into a corner and you are asking for trouble. Having travelled extensively in Ireland, north and south, the ordinary people are universally lovely. The problem, as so often anywhere is with the politicians.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 8:33:59 GMT
Another spot on the globe where a national boundary drawn by the British about 100 years ago is causing problems.
I know a Dublin lady who wants nothing whatsoever to do with Northern Ireland - and says it as if she's not alone in thinking that way. But the Irish get the vote in the UK! I knew a Sinn Fein supporting girl who lived in a staunchly Protestant area... and went out with a soldier. I went to university with a kid whose big brother was in the forces and said a lot of what they were doing was disrupting gang warfare in the name of religion (the 2 sides agreed which areas to extort) - he then got blown up by the IRA (I think it was the Deal Barracks bombing). Is anything simple over there?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 9:08:30 GMT
The Irish are lovely generous and friendly people -------- except when it comes to religion. A bit like Americans, on a one to one friendly but as a nation so divided. I know a company that provided Christmas lights to Belfast. The discussions included a payment to the para military. Both sides use the the conflict to have armed criminal gangs financed by protection rackets.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 22:55:27 GMT
My dad used to quote someone (no idea who) who apparently once said "If you cut Ireland free and towed it out into the middle of the Atlantic and dropped nuclear bombs on it, you'd still have an 'Irish' problem".
It's basically the same as Israel/Palestine - NI shouldn't be there, but it is. Eventually, as with all things, it will cease to be a problem, but I can't see it happening in my lifetime, or possibly even my kids'.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 0:15:27 GMT
Who gives a flying f**k about Ireland?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 8:03:04 GMT
You may not like us sword, but there's around 6 million UK residents with strong Irish family links, who do care.
There again, I seem to recall that you are not very fond of other Europeans either, let alone humanity in general.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 9:52:12 GMT
You may not like us sword, but there's around 6 million UK residents with strong Irish family links, who do care. There again, I seem to recall that you are not very fond of other Europeans either, let alone humanity in general. Ask yourself a question, how many people in Ireland give a flying f**k about us. You can use both hands to count if you need too. As a matter of fact I have family in Ireland as we recently found out my Grandfather was a bigamist who had one wife and 11 kids in the North East and one wife in Cork with 8 kids . Ps.i dont even like myself. |
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