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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2021 14:55:57 GMT
I watch Keir Starmer give facts each week that destroy Johnson's lies. Johnson answers every question by shouting 'vaccine rollout'. This week he was claiming that we only have the rollout we do because of brexit and escaping the EMA. A breathtaking lie. The problem now is quite clearly the proportion of people that either can't see the lies, don't want to see the lies or are happy with the lies. No, people aren't happy with the lies, but they also realise that simply shouting liar liar repeatedly is far from being effective opposition. The fact remains that no one knows what labour stands for any more. A worthwhile opposition would be absolutely steamrollering the government in bye elections at the moment, not hanging on by a paltry 300 odd votes. You do understand what giving facts is as opposed to shouting liar is, don't you. The facts given expose the lies but a lie is not a fact and the giving of a fact will expose a lie. It can't be any other way. So what you claiming is that the lack of an effective opposition is the problem and people will continue to support lies because of the opposition. How odd! If we had one party and it was Johnson's tories I'd not turn up to vote and I'd not offer words of encouragement to them or be derogatory towards people that are against him because I won't support lies on such a grand scale. Are you saying that people are not offering support in their hundreds of thousands and chucking scorn towards his detractors, because that should not be happening, if your first sentence is true? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2021 1:49:10 GMT
Why is this so personal to you? Quite frankly it's weird. The virus is a force of nature, it follows a purely mathematical course. There is no politics or personality involved. It is doing exactly what immunoligists (and, for that matter, me) said it would from the beginning - and it will contine to do this. Nothing to do with how any of us vote or what we think of Johnson, or whether you like us or not - just facts: maths and nature. The fact that Johnson has cocked up the government's response all the way along, is also fact. Had a Labour, Liberal (God help us), or even Green PM behaved the same way, I would be just as critical of them. Not at all critical of a labour opposition that has totally failed to hold the government to account though, or even come up with a single policy of their own. If they're best alternative to what we have now then we're totally fucked all ways round. I haven't said anything about Labour. I don't vote for them or have much time for them and I think Starmer is a washout - I have no idea what he stands for (or against!), he seems to have no personality, and he sounds even more boring than Corbyn (but at least Corbyn had a bit of passion!) But I'm fairly certain almost anyone could have done a better job than the shower 'in charge' at the moment. We're about to release all the Covid restictions, with infections going through the roof! Utter madness. Covid may not be killing so many this time around, but it's still a nasty disease - and think of the impact on the economy of thousands of people off sick (not to mention Long Covid). And the more they allow this currect wave to go unchecked, the more likely a new variant is to appear, and who knows how dangerous that could be? Half the population are still unvaccinted. Johnson is putting his politics and career ahead of our health and the country's future. And Javid is so useless he is actually making Handcock look good! We must look like a complete basket case to the rest of the world - first Brexit, now this... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2021 9:46:42 GMT
You're still the only person who counts children in your stats on vaccination - see the BBC article I shared last week on why that's false logic.
New variant - that is a valid concern I suppose; even though the vaccines are ready to be tweaked to cope, as we've seen you don't jab the whole (adult) population overnight. We've had 4 already. Has it occurred to the "Alpha-Bravo-Charlie" variant namers that if we get a 9th variant it'll be the India variant? Foxtrot, Golf and Hotel sound more fun.
With a 2nd cataract op next Thu I'm about to self-isolate for 10 days. Do I want to? No. Do I think it really make sense? Partly? Will I do it? Yes. So virtuous. Fkd if I'm wearing a mask once it's optional though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2021 14:30:27 GMT
Rather as Cummings has said of Johnson - "intermittent spurts of self-awareness"...  Just browsing BBC stories. Though I said earlier I'll be unmasking asap - got to feel for people like bus drivers in enclosed spaces. Plus I no longer have the "misted-up glasses" excuse. Might have to do a bit of a U-turn on that one, will see what others are doing in Tesco / what shops and pubs say at the door. I mean you know me - wouldn't want to upset or offend anyone. Cummings's bitchy but very probably true revelations about Johnson do make for fascinating reading, I'm sure you'll agree. Like a slightly sinister version of Yes Prime Minister without the canned laughter. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2021 17:31:43 GMT
The mask and social distancing thing needs proper clarification from those in the know - someone like Van Tam or Whitty, not a government fuckwit, however senior.
Maybe we will get this in the coming fortnight, Bojo doesn't do detail as we know, but either way, the public deserve to know, in order to be able to make informed choices. I would be only too glad to ditch the mask as I'm pissed off with glasses steaming up and ever more annoyed at finding I've not even got one because I changed my coat.
On the other hand, if the experts think keeping on wearing one is a good thing, then so be it. Stuff like how long will the vaccine protect me for and what are the risks in crowded places would be good too. Third jab? No problem. Crowded places, especially indoors? No thanks.
Political bullshitting and gobshite? Just tell it like it is...
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Post by stewart on Jul 5, 2021 20:31:46 GMT
I have started training for the new season, today I had some mushy peas, last Friday I had a fray bentos curry pie in a tin. Next up is oven chips as I don't have a chip pan
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2021 21:19:21 GMT
So, cases will be up to 50k a day by the end of lockdown - this from Patrick Valance no less. But we are still going ahead and here's the clever bit.
If it all goes tits up, it will be our own fault, not the government's, because responsibility has now been passed back to us.
Except that governments, at all levels, are supposedly elected to save us from ourselves, because too many people aren't capable of it on their own, so if/when it does go tits up again, you can be sure the Tories will get voted in again, assuming anybody is alive to do so.
Ok, hopefully a bit ott, but it certainly has the feeling of an accident waiting to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2021 23:12:41 GMT
Rather as Cummings has said of Johnson - "intermittent spurts of self-awareness"... Just browsing BBC stories. Though I said earlier I'll be unmasking asap - got to feel for people like bus drivers in enclosed spaces. Plus I no longer have the "misted-up glasses" excuse. Might have to do a bit of a U-turn on that one, will see what others are doing in Tesco / what shops and pubs say at the door. I mean you know me - wouldn't want to upset or offend anyone. Cummings's bitchy but very probably true revelations about Johnson do make for fascinating reading, I'm sure you'll agree. Like a slightly sinister version of Yes Prime Minister without the canned laughter. What are you on about? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2021 23:13:46 GMT
So, cases will be up to 50k a day by the end of lockdown - this from Patrick Valance no less. But we are still going ahead and here's the clever bit. If it all goes tits up, it will be our own fault, not the government's, because responsibility has now been passed back to us. Except that governments, at all levels, are supposedly elected to save us from ourselves, because too many people aren't capable of it on their own, so if/when it does go tits up again, you can be sure the Tories will get voted in again, assuming anybody is alive to do so. Ok, hopefully a bit ott, but it certainly has the feeling of an accident waiting to happen. This useless, lying, pretend government is a series of accidents! TBH people can arse about with stats all they like and make a multitude of claims and counter claims. What is crystal clear is that our infection rates have been boosted by a refusal, in the face of overwhelming evidence, to shut down travel to India. Luckily, we will learn from this like we did last year when allowing flights in from China and Italy... Oh! Still we won't be silly enough to open everything and call it independence day or freedom day... Oh! |
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Post by stewart on Jul 6, 2021 1:58:48 GMT
I have started training for the new season, today I had some mushy peas, last Friday I had a fray bentos curry pie in a tin. Next up is oven chips as I don't have a chip pan. and the alleged gravy is a rather large rubbery lump at the mo
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2021 11:39:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2021 16:34:11 GMT
Yes, I read that. Good piece from the BBC's Nick Triggle. Maybe the government should hire him, if that is what it is really all about, because they sure can't explain it themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2021 17:44:06 GMT
NWS you are right about Boris (there I have said it). What it should tell you is that the alternative is so god awful that people are prepared to stick with him. He gets things wrong (and lies about them) but he gets things done. We voted to leave the EU and for better or worse he achieved that. The migrant problem is another thing that divides people but the latest measures may solve the problem of the boat people putting their lives at risk and enriching the people peddlers. On the positives we have a deal with Australia and the car industry seems to have a future and jobs have been protected and new ones created. Investment in the North is happening. Now we see the end of lockdown. Yes there are risks but the judgement is they are manageable and the businesses most affected can now start planning for the future.
Now contrast with Keir Starmer. Yes he quotes facts but it is all about being clever in hindsight. When asked what he would do if he was PM he waffles and avoids answering and is no better than Boris. No-one knows what Starmer or the Labour party stand for. "Make more at home and buy British" is the limit of their policy and we can all agree with that but ask for details of how that should be made to happen and - nothing.
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