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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2021 23:27:48 GMT
Have you still got the Boris Cup you said you had Not sure what you're talking about, I've never supported him, in fact the nicest thing I ever said about him was that he was a self serving narcissist. You put me and Johnson in the same category? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2021 7:42:05 GMT
Glad to know others feel the same. Definitely time for the government to come clean over this - are we back in the poo or not? We are back in the poo. So far it's not as smelly as the poo we were in before, but if the idiots relax the restrictions in July, all bets are off. My theory is that the viruses are shape-shifters, and one of them is posing as our PM. It's the only explanation of decisions which fly in the face of all logic. Even I don't think Tories are this useless. Tory philosophy is all about free enterprise, so despite all the money they've thrown at the pandemic (albeit with much coming back to line their own pockets), ultimately they don't like giving anything away if they can help it. Hence they are under pressure to open up and get their economy going again. Which completely ignores the science of course. New cases yesterday were down slightly. Being Sunday, they usually are, however glitches in the system meant a lot went unreported and will be added to today's figures, so we could be looking at a 20k spike. Hopefully that will be enough to gain the attention of the new health secretary. At least he has experience of high office, though suspect he's only been given the job because he doesn't like Cummings. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2021 11:57:58 GMT
We are back in the poo. So far it's not as smelly as the poo we were in before, but if the idiots relax the restrictions in July, all bets are off. My theory is that the viruses are shape-shifters, and one of them is posing as our PM. It's the only explanation of decisions which fly in the face of all logic. Even I don't think Tories are this useless. Tory philosophy is all about free enterprise, so despite all the money they've thrown at the pandemic (albeit with much coming back to line their own pockets), ultimately they don't like giving anything away if they can help it. Hence they are under pressure to open up and get their economy going again. Which completely ignores the science of course. New cases yesterday were down slightly. Being Sunday, they usually are, however glitches in the system meant a lot went unreported and will be added to today's figures, so we could be looking at a 20k spike. Hopefully that will be enough to gain the attention of the new health secretary. At least he has experience of high office, though suspect he's only been given the job because he doesn't like Cummings. According to today’s news, he's assumed to be “determined” to open up on 19 July – come what may. Given that that's three weeks away and the infection rate is already going up at exactly the same rate it did in October, God alone knows where we're going to be in mid-July. They'll be opening up the economy with the infection rate higher than when an emergency 'firebreak' was deemed necessary last time... If this isn't some sort of collective governmental madness, I don't know what is. The house is on fire again - the fire brigade almost had it under control, but some idiot sent them home. Don't worry; it's time we got used to living with the fire. OK, so the hospital figures and the death rate are much lower this time (so far), mainly because most of those getting infected are younger and Covid is less likely to kill them, but it's still basically the same virus - everyone I know who's had it (and survived) describes it as the worse illness they've ever had. And then there's the issue of 'long Covid'... The idea that Daveu, who knows how ill his daughter was with Covid, can say it's time to live with the virus, is mystifying. As for vaccinations - impressive as the roll-out has been, we still have over a third of the population unvaccinated, and over half who haven't yet had their second dose. The virus still has a hell of a lot of people just waiting to be infected. And the number of 2nd jabs won't have increased enough in just three weeks to make any meaningful difference. There is also the issue of the declining efficacy of the vaccination with age - the older you are, the less effective it is. A fully vaccinated 80 year-old has about the same chance of getting the virus as an unvaccinated 50 year-old. Javid might release the lockdown, but the old and the vulnerable will have to stay in a voluntary lockdown, just to stay safe. The under 50s can go out and get pissed, but the rest of us will have to stay at home and avoid contact with anyone. What the f**k are older people living with young kids/grandchildren supposed to do? And, if that wasn't enough, there is now evidence from Australian test and tracking that indicates that it's possible to get infected by the Delta variant, just by breathing in as you walk past someone indoors who breaths out at the same time. If the 'government' fully relaxes lockdown on 19/7, they are effectively going for the 'herd immunity' option. Hospitalisation and death rates aren't as high, so we can let the virus rip. The survival of the 'hospitality industry' is deemed more important that millions of people getting seriously ill and many dying. How many deaths is each nightclub worth? Does anyone seriously think that the nightclubs and restaurants won't come back when this is all over anyway?? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2021 16:08:32 GMT
The Pandemic ain't going away and we can't stay locked down forever. To be honest, I'd rather take my chances with covid than carry on like we have been. It's something we're gonna have to learn to live with so we might as well start now. If you don't like it you can lock yourself away in a snug and safe little world, cut off from everyone else, but don't expect everyone to share your views. If the government decides to extend restrictions again it will be as big a mistake as any they've made so far, and God knows there's been enough, so let's have a break from the negativity, start to trust in the vaccination programme and get on with our lives.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2021 17:15:10 GMT
The Pandemic ain't going away and we can't stay locked down forever. To be honest, I'd rather take my chances with covid than carry on like we have been. It's something we're gonna have to learn to live with so we might as well start now. If you don't like it you can lock yourself away in a snug and safe little world, cut off from everyone else, but don't expect everyone to share your views. If the government decides to extend restrictions again it will be as big a mistake as any they've made so far, and God knows there's been enough, so let's have a break from the negativity, start to trust in the vaccination programme and get on with our lives. I do agree with you Dave but 23,000 new cases today is still a little worrying☹ |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2021 20:39:47 GMT
The Pandemic ain't going away and we can't stay locked down forever. To be honest, I'd rather take my chances with covid than carry on like we have been. It's something we're gonna have to learn to live with so we might as well start now. If you don't like it you can lock yourself away in a snug and safe little world, cut off from everyone else, but don't expect everyone to share your views. If the government decides to extend restrictions again it will be as big a mistake as any they've made so far, and God knows there's been enough, so let's have a break from the negativity, start to trust in the vaccination programme and get on with our lives. Cut off from everyone? Bit melodramatic |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2021 7:12:11 GMT
The Pandemic ain't going away and we can't stay locked down forever. To be honest, I'd rather take my chances with covid than carry on like we have been. It's something we're gonna have to learn to live with so we might as well start now. If you don't like it you can lock yourself away in a snug and safe little world, cut off from everyone else, but don't expect everyone to share your views. If the government decides to extend restrictions again it will be as big a mistake as any they've made so far, and God knows there's been enough, so let's have a break from the negativity, start to trust in the vaccination programme and get on with our lives. I do agree with you Dave but 23,000 new cases today is still a little worrying☹ It's what happens when we have a PM that prioritises a trade deal with India above the safety of the population 😕 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2021 7:50:42 GMT
BBC News - Marr on catching Covid after being double vaccinated www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57640550Salutary story from Andrew Marr. However, reading between the lines, it sounds like this is the model the government want us to put up with: unpleasant, like flu, but survivable, for most, as per flu. Hmmm... There again, I went the whole of last winter without getting a cold, so social distancing and mask wearing appears to have some benefits. I wonder if we might see a kind of alternative two tier society developing - socially distanced and non socially distanced? The former will go back to frequenting the totally rammed pubs, where there is barely room to stand and everyone has to shout to make themselves heard. Ditto the cafes and restaurants full of screechy hen parties. The alternative world might include pubs, cafes and restaurants that actually advertise a bit more social distancing and, dare I say it, decorum. Probably cost a bit more to eat and drink there, but ultimately preferable to those who no longer need to party. At least football is outside and lower leagues are, by default, more socially distanced (especially Boreham Wood), so the opportunities remain to have a good rant in relative safety. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2021 8:06:24 GMT
I do agree with you Dave but 23,000 new cases today is still a little worrying☹ It's what happens when we have a PM that prioritises a trade deal with India above the safety of the population 😕 I never voted for him, I'd rather have you as prime minister,at least you would cure my insomnia😁 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2021 8:40:03 GMT
Not much choice other than living with it, as a possible cause of death alongside cancer, dementia, heart disease (my mum managed to get a hat-trick on those...), suicide, road accidents, not forgetting flu.
Only potential changes for me on Jul 19 will be less mask-wearing (though I barely notice it any more) and looking forward to watching football, whether it be at Abingdon U, Oxford C or The Theatre of Nightmares. Not planning on going clubbing / to the theatre or travelling abroad.
I questioned on FB the need for people to go abroad on holiday - meaning for safety reasons but thinking it went without saying. An old colleague (living in central Paris) posted that "new national anthem" and an infection graph from the Guardian - where else - and said "you stay in Pyongyang on Thames". What IS it with Guardian readers that they have to be morally superior, intolerant of other people's opinions and desperate for their own country to fail - with seemingly no self-awareness of just how tedious they are?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2021 10:35:15 GMT
I can see both sides of this (although, as an OAP with school-aged children I do tend to see the one side a little more strongly!). But I am not convinced of the 'just have to live with Covid' argument - I fear it is being driven far more by the 'need' to get businesses back on their feet than concern for people's health. It's more of a political sound-bite slogan than a sensible policy for dealing with a pandemic (which is what this still is). The same with "get our freedom back" - I haven't lost any 'freedom', I'm just trying not to die! But it's the sort of thing that people repeat until it becomes an accepted 'truth', so we might be stuck with it.
As for deaths - we seem to have very confused attitude where people dying from something is concerned. A tain crash kills far fewer than the number of people who die on the roads every day and half the railway gets shut down. Today 'only' three people are reported to have died from Covid, but in almost any other situation something that had killed three people would be a major news story and people would be demanding action.
As for "Covid can never be beaten, we'll have to learn to live with it some day, so why not now?" - this is just logical bollocks. Of course it can't ever be beaten - it's a virus! And of course we'll learn to live with it in time (when it's no longer a threat!). But why now, when it's spreading like wildfire again and half the population is still not fully vaccinated? It won't take forever to reach 'herd immunity' vaccination levels - at the current rate this should happen around September/October. Would it be so terrible just to keep the current level of restrictions (which aren't exactly draconian) for another three or four months?
If we don't, then everyone who dies, or 'just' gets seriously ill with Covid, or ends up with Long Covid, between now and then, will have been sacrificed on the alter of 'saving' the hospitality sector.
The same sector that currently is moaning because, even with limited opening, it can't recruit enough staff because they've all gone back home and/or can't get back into the country again...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2021 10:38:20 GMT
On a personal note - one of my wife's friends, who has had both jabs, has just got Covid.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2021 11:15:38 GMT
Not much choice other than living with it, as a possible cause of death alongside cancer, dementia, heart disease (my mum managed to get a hat-trick on those...), suicide, road accidents, not forgetting flu. Only potential changes for me on Jul 19 will be less mask-wearing (though I barely notice it any more) and looking forward to watching football, whether it be at Abingdon U, Oxford C or The Theatre of Nightmares. Not planning on going clubbing / to the theatre or travelling abroad. I questioned on FB the need for people to go abroad on holiday - meaning for safety reasons but thinking it went without saying. An old colleague (living in central Paris) posted that "new national anthem" and an infection graph from the Guardian - where else - and said "you stay in Pyongyang on Thames". What IS it with Guardian readers that they have to be morally superior, intolerant of other people's opinions and desperate for their own country to fail - with seemingly no self-awareness of just how tedious they are? Well you wont he watching Abingdon town thanks to Ian Rush and his Singapore mates🤬🤬 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2021 11:19:00 GMT
I can see both sides of this (although, as an OAP with school-aged children I do tend to see the one side a little more strongly!). But I am not convinced of the 'just have to live with Covid' argument - I fear it is being driven far more by the 'need' to get businesses back on their feet than concern for people's health. It's more of a political sound-bite slogan than a sensible policy for dealing with a pandemic (which is what this still is). The same with "get our freedom back" - I haven't lost any 'freedom', I'm just trying not to die! But it's the sort of thing that people repeat until it becomes an accepted 'truth', so we might be stuck with it. As for deaths - we seem to have very confused attitude where people dying from something is concerned. A tain crash kills far fewer than the number of people who die on the roads every day and half the railway gets shut down. Today 'only' three people are reported to have died from Covid, but in almost any other situation something that had killed three people would be a major news story and people would be demanding action. As for "Covid can never be beaten, we'll have to learn to live with it some day, so why not now?" - this is just logical bollocks. Of course it can't ever be beaten - it's a virus! And of course we'll learn to live with it in time (when it's no longer a threat!). But why now, when it's spreading like wildfire again and half the population is still not fully vaccinated? It won't take forever to reach 'herd immunity' vaccination levels - at the current rate this should happen around September/October. Would it be so terrible just to keep the current level of restrictions (which aren't exactly draconian) for another three or four months? If we don't, then everyone who dies, or 'just' gets seriously ill with Covid, or ends up with Long Covid, between now and then, will have been sacrificed on the alter of 'saving' the hospitality sector. The same sector that currently is moaning because, even with limited opening, it can't recruit enough staff because they've all gone back home and/or can't get back into the country again... Yes,I want my Saturday night live music back from the end of July,waited too f**king long already. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2021 14:47:52 GMT
It's what happens when we have a PM that prioritises a trade deal with India above the safety of the population 😕 I never voted for him, I'd rather have you as prime minister,at least you would cure my insomnia😁 I never, of course, claimed you did. He has profited from blaming others for problems brought by our own politicians.  I'm confused...you seem to live to reply to me yet claim I send you to sleep. Help me with this apparent contradiction in your ramblings.  |
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