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Post by 1018 on Feb 17, 2021 9:02:29 GMT
I thought you didn't want politics in the football part pof the forum?! Anyway, back on topic - birds! All the bird based nicknames I could find for British football clubs - can you name the clubs? Seagulls Eagles Peacocks Magpies Robins Canaries Owls Swans Bluebirds Loons Linnets Gulls Swifts Choughs CuckoosExtra kudos if you can spot the one Scottish club (the Scots don't seem to like bird nicknames - even the one I found I'm not sure is actually meant to be bird-related). And extra points if you know what a chough is or how it's pronounced! There are an awful lot of clubs who use the same nicknames (especially robins, magpies, eagles, and even linnets!), so there are multiple correct answers. You missed the Bantams.
Choughs are members of the Crow family & are found in Cornwall. They featured on one of Rick Stein's Cornish programs a couple of weeks ago.
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Post by sword65 on Feb 17, 2021 11:36:20 GMT
I thought you didn't want politics in the football part pof the forum?! Anyway, back on topic - birds! All the bird based nicknames I could find for British football clubs - can you name the clubs? Seagulls Eagles Peacocks Magpies Robins Canaries Owls Swans Bluebirds Loons Linnets Gulls Swifts Choughs CuckoosExtra kudos if you can spot the one Scottish club (the Scots don't seem to like bird nicknames - even the one I found I'm not sure is actually meant to be bird-related). And extra points if you know what a chough is or how it's pronounced! There are an awful lot of clubs who use the same nicknames (especially robins, magpies, eagles, and even linnets!), so there are multiple correct answers. I like birds custardπππ
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 11:51:13 GMT
Throstles became Baggies (look at their badge)
Blending this thread with the NL thread (and glossing over nws's ability to understand an analogy, and tendency to take everything literally) - clubs can choose a Dulwich deal, a Dover, a Dorking, a Maidstone...
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Post by nws on Feb 17, 2021 13:05:18 GMT
Throstles became Baggies (look at their badge) Blending this thread with the NL thread (and glossing over nws's ability to understand an analogy, and tendency to take everything literally) - clubs can choose a Dulwich deal, a Dover, a Dorking, a Maidstone... What analogy have I failed to understand?
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Post by nws on Feb 17, 2021 13:08:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 13:23:53 GMT
Throstles became Baggies (look at their badge) Blending this thread with the NL thread (and glossing over nws's ability to understand an analogy, and tendency to take everything literally) - clubs can choose a Dulwich deal, a Dover, a Dorking, a Maidstone... What analogy have I failed to understand? The Singapore one. nobody said UK will literally be the same as Singapore - but you infer all sorts of stuff that isn't implied. A bit like Bradley Walsh and Shakey, you're not actually quite as thick as you come across, though, are you?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 13:30:23 GMT
Yes they are - as with GDPR, clean beach legislation any many other things, it's as you were: www.gov.uk/government/publications/changes-to-the-habitats-regulations-2017/changes-to-the-habitats-regulations-2017 The Secretary of State for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs and Welsh Ministers have made changes to parts of the 2017 Regulations so that they operate effectively. Most of these changes involved transferring functions from the European Commission to the appropriate authorities in England and Wales. [probably Rishi Sunak's brother-in-law's company... ] All other processes or terms in the 2017 Regulations remain unchanged and existing guidance is still relevant.
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Post by pigbag on Feb 17, 2021 13:34:11 GMT
NWS Dyson is still a UK Company. Research and Development is still in the UK. Like most manufacturing, the production is outsourced. If you have watched Dragons Den you will be aware that in order to be competitive India and the Eastern countries are used extensively for everything from clothing to mobile phones because labour is cheaper. Is that a bad thing? I don't think so. It is an example of trickle down. Look at China 30 years ago and compare it to the modern cities and material wealth today. The same with India, there still many many poor but there are also many with jobs created by Western interests which are benefitting them and us. Your comment about cheap products is invalid as that is what is happened while we were in the EU. Do you think Primark will suddenly be cheaper or your iphone price will be 20% less?
You seem to think that because we can follow the Singapore model we have to be the same in all aspects. We ae free to choose how wealth created is distributed in our own county. We are not a dictatorship and will get the government we vote for.
Mistakes have been made but you ignore the successes. That we had the foresight to build new virus factories before a vaccine had been developed and to place orders early with a number of promising companies. Compare with the EU debacle. My friends brother is a retired Dr in Bonn, Germany. He has been brought out of retirement to help with vaccination. He is working 2 hour a day and paid Β£140 per hour. He started vaccinating over 80's this week at the rate of 2 an hour!! Perhaps you should stop knocking our politicians and see what other countries have to put up with.
You say "If a foreign company invests here, where do profits flows end up" Who do you think owns our Water Companies? Our Electic and Gas Companies, our power stations, our funeral businesses, our car plants etc. I didn't hear you complain about that in fact you probably welcomed the investment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 13:38:16 GMT
NWS Dyson is still a UK Company. Research and Development is still in the UK. Like most manufacturing, the production is outsourced. If you have watched Dragons Den you will be aware that in order to be competitive India and the Eastern countries are used extensively for everything from clothing to mobile phones because labour is cheaper. Is that a bad thing? I don't think so. It is an example of trickle down. Look at China 30 years ago and compare it to the modern cities and material wealth today. The same with India, there still many many poor but there are also many with jobs created by Western interests which are benefitting them and us. Your comment about cheap products is invalid as that is what is happened while we were in the EU. Do you think Primark will suddenly be cheaper or your iphone price will be 20% less? You seem to think that because we can follow the Singapore model we have to be the same in all aspects. We ae free to choose how wealth created is distributed in our own county. We are not a dictatorship and will get the government we vote for. Mistakes have been made but you ignore the successes. That we had the foresight to build new virus factories before a vaccine had been developed and to place orders early with a number of promising companies. Compare with the EU debacle. My friends brother is a retired Dr in Bonn, Germany. He has been brought out of retirement to help with vaccination. He is working 2 hour a day and paid Β£140 per hour. He started vaccinating over 80's this week at the rate of 2 an hour!! Perhaps you should stop knocking our politicians and see what other countries have to put up with. You say "If a foreign company invests here, where do profits flows end up" Who do you think owns our Water Companies? Our Electic and Gas Companies, our power stations, our funeral businesses, our car plants etc. I didn't hear you complain about that in fact you probably welcomed the investment. I want shares in NWS Dyson! Interesting perspective pigbag, thanks. Sadly there are 4 or 5 relentlessly blinkered anti-government posters on here who can't see 2 sides of an argument and might just as well copy and paste the same thing again and again as they never say anything new.
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Post by Sennockian69 on Feb 17, 2021 13:52:15 GMT
NWS perhaps you should read what I wrote rather than what you wished I had written. "If you complain about Dyson moving to Singapore you should be delighted about a plan that would bring investment from all over the globe to the UK". ie you complain about investment leaving these shores so should welcome a scheme that would attract investment from the rest of the world. It is not that difficult is it? As for your world happiness index, how many of those countries are full members of the EU? I cannot see how lower taxation would make a country less happy can you? Being larger than Singapore or Eire is a positive. We can have more freeports for a start and as we have a greater population we would not need as many immigrants as both those countries. Your statement "Again, how is that shared out.We already have enough wealth." is an admission that the country is already doing well. Consider if we could attract the sort of wealth that Singapore does multiplied by our larger country, reputation, legal system, and contacts worldwide how much more wealthy the country would be. Income tax and other tax could be reduced making everyone better off. Contrast with remaining in the EU with increasing costs of membership, no hope of a balanced budget, waste and more waste. More contributions to the central bank to bail out basket case countries. Unable to adapt to changes, paying tariffs on goods not made or grown in the EU. The EU will gradually become less important to us as create alliances with the emerging countries which are growing at a far quicker rate than the EU. The future is bright. The future is Orange.
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Post by nws on Feb 17, 2021 14:34:34 GMT
NWS Dyson is still a UK Company. Research and Development is still in the UK. Like most manufacturing, the production is outsourced. If you have watched Dragons Den you will be aware that in order to be competitive India and the Eastern countries are used extensively for everything from clothing to mobile phones because labour is cheaper. Is that a bad thing? I don't think so. It is an example of trickle down. Look at China 30 years ago and compare it to the modern cities and material wealth today. The same with India, there still many many poor but there are also many with jobs created by Western interests which are benefitting them and us. Your comment about cheap products is invalid as that is what is happened while we were in the EU. Do you think Primark will suddenly be cheaper or your iphone price will be 20% less? You seem to think that because we can follow the Singapore model we have to be the same in all aspects. We ae free to choose how wealth created is distributed in our own county. We are not a dictatorship and will get the government we vote for. Mistakes have been made but you ignore the successes. That we had the foresight to build new virus factories before a vaccine had been developed and to place orders early with a number of promising companies. Compare with the EU debacle. My friends brother is a retired Dr in Bonn, Germany. He has been brought out of retirement to help with vaccination. He is working 2 hour a day and paid Β£140 per hour. He started vaccinating over 80's this week at the rate of 2 an hour!! Perhaps you should stop knocking our politicians and see what other countries have to put up with. You say "If a foreign company invests here, where do profits flows end up" Who do you think owns our Water Companies? Our Electic and Gas Companies, our power stations, our funeral businesses, our car plants etc. I didn't hear you complain about that in fact you probably welcomed the investment. Ha ha... You actually believe in 'trickle down'. The UK has operated in such a fashion for a number of years now. How has wealth distribution fared? What has happened/is happening re homelessness (although strangely it was dealt with overnight when covid appeared). The brexit vote was built, we are continually told, on dissatisfaction with lives not improving. 'Trickle down' leads to massive inequality. The happiest societies are not built on massive divergence. Production and ancillary services have been moving abroad over time. I'm sure the people who lost their jobs were grateful to know that a rich entrepreneur from Japan or whoever was about to make a killing, paying little tax in the process and receiving financial inducement. I'm sure it was greatly comforting as the signed on. Dyson moved its production facilities to Malaysia back in 2002. At that time 65 jobs were lost in Wiltshire. Malaysia now employs 4,000 plus employees. Company HQ, if you followed the news, is moving to Singapore. Bureaucracy of the EU was blamed yet strangely that decision happened post-2016. You ask if I think my products will suddenly become cheaper because the Labour force is cheaper. Maybe/maybe not. Owners of businesses may just pocket the cost savings. If we are totally deregulated what do you think will happen when firms from less developed countries start sending goods here to compete with us. Do you really believe a British worker can go head to head with a Bangladeshi earning a fraction of the wage, in a labour market with little or no protections. Even your precious Patrick Minford recognised the wrecking ball brexit would be for British manufacturing. You make another comment about distribution of wealth in the UK. Who do you think is responsible for this and who was responsible for this in the last 40 years? You move on to the vaccine. You do know that, initially, we imported supplies from a Belgian factory, don't you. In fact, we were so worried by the potential brexit border chaos we spent hundreds of millions getting planes ready to fly the stuff in. I don't think Von Der Leyen's antics the other week but you seem somewhat misguided. True we have vaccinated way more people than EU countries. However, we are operating a lengthened process against manufacturers advice, leading one American scientist to refer to us as a giant laboratory. To date, some EU countries are slightly head of us in giving the second vaccination. Then we get to your comments re utility companies. I was against those as a student in the 1980s and 90s. That has never changed because I see little sense in farming out key industries, that our survival relies on, to non-UK control. I'd nationalise water and get green investment in power to ensure less and less reliance on France, Germany etc. I think the same with food. What is your precious brexit and deregulation set to do to that and why do you think the Tories refused to enshrine food standards in law, last year?
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Post by nws on Feb 17, 2021 14:36:11 GMT
NWS Dyson is still a UK Company. Research and Development is still in the UK. Like most manufacturing, the production is outsourced. If you have watched Dragons Den you will be aware that in order to be competitive India and the Eastern countries are used extensively for everything from clothing to mobile phones because labour is cheaper. Is that a bad thing? I don't think so. It is an example of trickle down. Look at China 30 years ago and compare it to the modern cities and material wealth today. The same with India, there still many many poor but there are also many with jobs created by Western interests which are benefitting them and us. Your comment about cheap products is invalid as that is what is happened while we were in the EU. Do you think Primark will suddenly be cheaper or your iphone price will be 20% less? You seem to think that because we can follow the Singapore model we have to be the same in all aspects. We ae free to choose how wealth created is distributed in our own county. We are not a dictatorship and will get the government we vote for. Mistakes have been made but you ignore the successes. That we had the foresight to build new virus factories before a vaccine had been developed and to place orders early with a number of promising companies. Compare with the EU debacle. My friends brother is a retired Dr in Bonn, Germany. He has been brought out of retirement to help with vaccination. He is working 2 hour a day and paid Β£140 per hour. He started vaccinating over 80's this week at the rate of 2 an hour!! Perhaps you should stop knocking our politicians and see what other countries have to put up with. You say "If a foreign company invests here, where do profits flows end up" Who do you think owns our Water Companies? Our Electic and Gas Companies, our power stations, our funeral businesses, our car plants etc. I didn't hear you complain about that in fact you probably welcomed the investment. Ha ha... You actually believe in 'trickle down'. The UK has operated in such a fashion for a number of years now. How has wealth distribution fared? What has happened/is happening re homelessness (although strangely it was dealt with overnight when covid appeared). The brexit vote was built, we are continually told, on dissatisfaction with lives not improving. 'Trickle down' leads to massive inequality. The happiest societies are not built on massive divergence. Production and ancillary services have been moving abroad over time. I'm sure the people who lost their jobs were grateful to know that a rich entrepreneur from Japan or whoever was about to make a killing, paying little tax in the process and receiving financial inducement. I'm sure it was greatly comforting as the signed on. Dyson moved its production facilities to Malaysia back in 2002. At that time 65 jobs were lost in Wiltshire. Malaysia now employs 4,000 plus employees. Company HQ, if you followed the news, is moving to Singapore. Bureaucracy of the EU was blamed yet strangely that decision happened post-2016. You ask if I think my products will suddenly become cheaper because the Labour force is cheaper. Maybe/maybe not. Owners of businesses may just pocket the cost savings. If we are totally deregulated what do you think will happen when firms from less developed countries start sending goods here to compete with us. Do you really believe a British worker can go head to head with a Bangladeshi earning a fraction of the wage, in a labour market with little or no protections. Even your precious Patrick Minford recognised the wrecking ball brexit would be for British manufacturing. You make another comment about distribution of wealth in the UK. Who do you think is responsible for this and who was responsible for this in the last 40 years? You move on to the vaccine. You do know that, initially, we imported supplies from a Belgian factory, don't you. In fact, we were so worried by the potential brexit border chaos we spent hundreds of millions getting planes ready to fly the stuff in. I don't think Von Der Leyen's antics the other week were good but you seem somewhat misguided. True we have vaccinated way more people than EU countries. However, we are operating a lengthened process against manufacturers advice, leading one American scientist to refer to us as a giant laboratory. To date, some EU countries are slightly head of us in giving the second vaccination. Then we get to your comments re utility companies. I was against those as a student in the 1980s and 90s. That has never changed because I see little sense in farming out key industries, that our survival relies on, to non-UK control. I'd nationalise water and get green investment in power to ensure less and less reliance on France, Germany etc. I think the same with food. What is your precious brexit and deregulation set to do to that and why do you think the Tories refused to enshrine food standards in law, last year?
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Post by nws on Feb 17, 2021 14:46:56 GMT
NWS Dyson is still a UK Company. Research and Development is still in the UK. Like most manufacturing, the production is outsourced. If you have watched Dragons Den you will be aware that in order to be competitive India and the Eastern countries are used extensively for everything from clothing to mobile phones because labour is cheaper. Is that a bad thing? I don't think so. It is an example of trickle down. Look at China 30 years ago and compare it to the modern cities and material wealth today. The same with India, there still many many poor but there are also many with jobs created by Western interests which are benefitting them and us. Your comment about cheap products is invalid as that is what is happened while we were in the EU. Do you think Primark will suddenly be cheaper or your iphone price will be 20% less? You seem to think that because we can follow the Singapore model we have to be the same in all aspects. We ae free to choose how wealth created is distributed in our own county. We are not a dictatorship and will get the government we vote for. Mistakes have been made but you ignore the successes. That we had the foresight to build new virus factories before a vaccine had been developed and to place orders early with a number of promising companies. Compare with the EU debacle. My friends brother is a retired Dr in Bonn, Germany. He has been brought out of retirement to help with vaccination. He is working 2 hour a day and paid Β£140 per hour. He started vaccinating over 80's this week at the rate of 2 an hour!! Perhaps you should stop knocking our politicians and see what other countries have to put up with. You say "If a foreign company invests here, where do profits flows end up" Who do you think owns our Water Companies? Our Electic and Gas Companies, our power stations, our funeral businesses, our car plants etc. I didn't hear you complain about that in fact you probably welcomed the investment. I want shares in NWS Dyson! Interesting perspective pigbag, thanks. Sadly there are 4 or 5 relentlessly blinkered anti-government posters on here who can't see 2 sides of an argument and might just as well copy and paste the same thing again and again as they never say anything new. I'm anti this government because the people in it are monumentally incompetent, incapable of thought and just lie, lie and lie again. Since the turn of the year we have seen Gove saying we need to renegotiate on Northern Ireland, Lewis claim Northern Ireland has the best of both worlds because it has access to the EU and UK markets, Hoey complaining about the effects of brexit on Northern Ireland. We boringly kept pointing out the problems and they ignored us shouting slogans and telling us we were static in our view. Voila! Here we are. I said July 4th (independence day) was stupid (that was the thread where you started posting about pubs you had been to), I said sending kids back to school was stupid. I said the Christmas thing was idiotic. Voila! Here we are with thousands more dead than needed to be (one of them in my family). It's boring, it's static but it's reality. If you think having a liar and a fantasist for a PM is better then... Well...
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Post by sword65 on Feb 17, 2021 15:31:27 GMT
I like birds trifle as well ππππ
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