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Post by sword65 on Feb 15, 2021 18:42:26 GMT
This is supposed to be a football forum. Moderator please transfer this thread to the Non Maidstone FC forum. At the risk of offending NWS I am going to use the F word and invite you bird fanciers to Ffffly away. Your right, football forum so they weren't swallows or blackbirds they were magpies,toon army birds🐦🐦🐦🐦🐦🐦
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Post by nws on Feb 15, 2021 19:28:33 GMT
NWS we are only a few weeks into our freedom from EU control. The world is our oyster (even if we cannot sell them to the EU) The reason why the EU are so worried about us being a Singapore on their doorstep is that it WON'T be Singapore on Thames. It's going to be MUCH bigger than that. The whole of the UK will become like Singapore once our Freeports are up and running and we've joined the CPTPP and AfCFTA, and have negotiated FTAs with Canada, the States and India amongst others. I'm REALLY hoping that Sunak is going to drastically drop Corporation Tax in a couple of months. Firstly because so many businesses need it at this moment in time and secondly because it's going to create a ridiculous amount of overseas investment. We can cut it to as low as 9% without falling foul of the level playing field agreement because Bulgaria have theirs at 9% and Ireland have theirs set to 12.5%. We might even see some of those Blue Chip companies moving from Ireland to the UK if we play our cards right, particularly if we get those trade deals I've mentioned above. Sure, the EU could decide to negotiate trade deals with those countries (they already have one with Canada), but how long is that going to take them? 6 years? 7? 10?!!? 😲 A drastic increase in trade is one of the main reasons why so many of us voted to Leave, and Liz Truss is doing an incredible job so far. This isn't all going to happen overnight but we'll see the UK being the equivalent to Singapore some time during the next few years, and it'll be worth the wait. Singapore has massive income inequality and 44% of its workforce is foreign. Don't think your fellow Brexiters are that keen on their jobs being nicked. Incoming foreign investment means loss of market space for UK firms. So in essence you want more flexibility for business which is always code for opportunities for those that have and reducing standards for those that don't. We were constantly told we'd be like Norway. Now it's Singapore. Great. A low tax offshore haven. I'm sure most Brexiters didn't vote for more foreign control. Still, if we are like Singapore then maybe Mr Dyson will move his business registration back here. He did, after screaming to vote leave, move it Singapore... The year after they agreed a trade deal with the EU. Oh and competing with Bulgaria for cheapness. What ambition. The race to the bottom starts. I'm glad this will take time (10, 50, 100 years... Nobody can specify time or indeed what) because I'll be retired. Good luck
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Post by hongkongstone on Feb 16, 2021 2:24:52 GMT
NWS we are only a few weeks into our freedom from EU control. The world is our oyster (even if we cannot sell them to the EU) The reason why the EU are so worried about us being a Singapore on their doorstep is that it WON'T be Singapore on Thames. It's going to be MUCH bigger than that. The whole of the UK will become like Singapore once our Freeports are up and running and we've joined the CPTPP and AfCFTA, and have negotiated FTAs with Canada, the States and India amongst others. I'm REALLY hoping that Sunak is going to drastically drop Corporation Tax in a couple of months. Firstly because so many businesses need it at this moment in time and secondly because it's going to create a ridiculous amount of overseas investment. We can cut it to as low as 9% without falling foul of the level playing field agreement because Bulgaria have theirs at 9% and Ireland have theirs set to 12.5%. We might even see some of those Blue Chip companies moving from Ireland to the UK if we play our cards right, particularly if we get those trade deals I've mentioned above. Sure, the EU could decide to negotiate trade deals with those countries (they already have one with Canada), but how long is that going to take them? 6 years? 7? 10?!!? 😲 A drastic increase in trade is one of the main reasons why so many of us voted to Leave, and Liz Truss is doing an incredible job so far. This isn't all going to happen overnight but we'll see the UK being the equivalent to Singapore some time during the next few years, and it'll be worth the wait. Singapore has massive income inequality and 44% of its workforce is foreign. Don't think your fellow Brexiters are that keen on their jobs being nicked. Incoming foreign investment means loss of market space for UK firms. So in essence you want more flexibility for business which is always code for opportunities for those that have and reducing standards for those that don't. We were constantly told we'd be like Norway. Now it's Singapore. Great. A low tax offshore haven. I'm sure most Brexiters didn't vote for more foreign control. Still, if we are like Singapore then maybe Mr Dyson will move his business registration back here. He did, after screaming to vote leave, move it Singapore... The year after they agreed a trade deal with the EU. Oh and competing with Bulgaria for cheapness. What ambition. The race to the bottom starts. I'm glad this will take time (10, 50, 100 years... Nobody can specify time or indeed what) because I'll be retired. Good luck Interesting argument about Singapore, which happens to be the most Marxist national economy in the world with over 2/3rds of the means of production owned by the state mainly through Temasek Holdings (google it). I never realised all of these Brexiteers were communists in disguise! Or is the love affair because Singapore has effectively been a one-party state since it's founding?
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Post by headstone on Feb 16, 2021 9:28:05 GMT
But it is very clean!
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Post by pigbag on Feb 16, 2021 11:21:02 GMT
From my visits to Singapore they have very high standards, Low crime rate, first class underground, very clean, not expensive and a low unemployment and a wealth that exceeds all its neighbours. That seems something to aim for here. If the country is booming then tax rates can be reduced. Flexibility in business does not mean a reduction in standards necessarily but a reduction of bureaucracy and increase in efficiency. If you complain about Dyson moving to Singapore you should be delighted about a plan that would bring investment from all over the globe to the UK. You can't have it both ways. Low tax rates have been very beneficial to Dublin. We should do everything to take advantage of the position we find ourselves in and not keep looking to the past.
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Post by nws on Feb 16, 2021 15:58:04 GMT
From my visits to Singapore they have very high standards, Low crime rate, first class underground, very clean, not expensive and a low unemployment and a wealth that exceeds all its neighbours. That seems something to aim for here. If the country is booming then tax rates can be reduced. Flexibility in business does not mean a reduction in standards necessarily but a reduction of bureaucracy and increase in efficiency. If you complain about Dyson moving to Singapore you should be delighted about a plan that would bring investment from all over the globe to the UK. You can't have it both ways. Low tax rates have been very beneficial to Dublin. We should do everything to take advantage of the position we find ourselves in and not keep looking to the past. I would love all those things here. Low crime rate - How many police did the Tories cut under austerity? First Class Underground - Doesn't really affect most of the UK but if improved public transport is your aim then vote Green. Very clean - I wonder how much was cut from cleaning budgets as councils balanced books from Tory cuts to public expenditure. Low unemployment - this is a statement I cautiously welcome because this might mean lots of underemployment just to get numbers down. I'm interested to know how this achieved as we lessen imports to a huge economy. Wealth that exceeds neighbours - Again, how is that shared out.We already have enough wealth. It's just that a small percentage have an increasing amount of it, aided and abetted by gullible people that think they are in or can get into that bracket and vote against their own interests. Reduction in bureaucracy and increase in efficiency won't lead to lower standards - so far we have seen the Tories vote down a bill to enshrine food standards in law and they have already had a flirtation with lowering employment standards (only to back off from the outcry - but they'll be back). As for environmental standards...maybe ask a passing bee what they think of January's events on that front. Did you really write that about Dyson? He was born in Cromer, which, last time I looked was in the UK. I complained about him moving abroad and becoming a foreign invader in Singapore. Have a rethink on your argument. Ireland has used a low corporate tax rate to give itself some competitive advantage due to its size. I don't know if you noticed but we have a little more size than Ireland. If you are going to use such arguments then I'll give you Norway at 22% and Denmark at 22% and raise it Finland at 20%. Which of those four populations were highest in the 2020 happiness index? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_ReportAs for your 'look to the past' comments. Laughable. The world is full of countries getting into forming large localised trading blocs. We have just voted to leave the world's largest one, right on our doorstep, so we can trade more with countries thousands of miles away. Should help reduce costs.
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Post by nws on Feb 16, 2021 16:03:30 GMT
Well it does ban chewing gum. Maybe pigbag could just live in the Gallagher and be happy.
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Post by nws on Feb 16, 2021 16:10:30 GMT
Singapore has massive income inequality and 44% of its workforce is foreign. Don't think your fellow Brexiters are that keen on their jobs being nicked. Incoming foreign investment means loss of market space for UK firms. So in essence you want more flexibility for business which is always code for opportunities for those that have and reducing standards for those that don't. We were constantly told we'd be like Norway. Now it's Singapore. Great. A low tax offshore haven. I'm sure most Brexiters didn't vote for more foreign control. Still, if we are like Singapore then maybe Mr Dyson will move his business registration back here. He did, after screaming to vote leave, move it Singapore... The year after they agreed a trade deal with the EU. Oh and competing with Bulgaria for cheapness. What ambition. The race to the bottom starts. I'm glad this will take time (10, 50, 100 years... Nobody can specify time or indeed what) because I'll be retired. Good luck Interesting argument about Singapore, which happens to be the most Marxist national economy in the world with over 2/3rds of the means of production owned by the state mainly through Temasek Holdings (google it). I never realised all of these Brexiteers were communists in disguise! Or is the love affair because Singapore has effectively been a one-party state since it's founding? I'd go for the idea that the chatter about Singapore is the latest in a line of answers they've been provided with. We've had 'Let's be like Norway', we've had ' Let's be like Canada' and we've had 'Let's go WTO' which made us Mauritania (?). Now we are Singapore. What next week...It's alright, we're Isle of Wight? I'm not sure what was wrong with being the second largest economy in the largest trading block in the world.
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Post by pigbag on Feb 16, 2021 17:50:57 GMT
NWS perhaps you should read what I wrote rather than what you wished I had written. "If you complain about Dyson moving to Singapore you should be delighted about a plan that would bring investment from all over the globe to the UK". ie you complain about investment leaving these shores so should welcome a scheme that would attract investment from the rest of the world. It is not that difficult is it?
As for your world happiness index, how many of those countries are full members of the EU?
I cannot see how lower taxation would make a country less happy can you? Being larger than Singapore or Eire is a positive. We can have more freeports for a start and as we have a greater population we would not need as many immigrants as both those countries.
Your statement "Again, how is that shared out.We already have enough wealth." is an admission that the country is already doing well. Consider if we could attract the sort of wealth that Singapore does multiplied by our larger country, reputation, legal system, and contacts worldwide how much more wealthy the country would be. Income tax and other tax could be reduced making everyone better off. Contrast with remaining in the EU with increasing costs of membership, no hope of a balanced budget, waste and more waste. More contributions to the central bank to bail out basket case countries. Unable to adapt to changes, paying tariffs on goods not made or grown in the EU.
The EU will gradually become less important to us as create alliances with the emerging countries which are growing at a far quicker rate than the EU. The future is bright.
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Post by jdl on Feb 16, 2021 19:57:08 GMT
I thought you didn't want politics in the football part pof the forum?!
Anyway, back on topic - birds!
All the bird based nicknames I could find for British football clubs - can you name the clubs?
Seagulls Eagles Peacocks Magpies Robins Canaries Owls Swans Bluebirds Loons Linnets Gulls Swifts Choughs Cuckoos
Extra kudos if you can spot the one Scottish club (the Scots don't seem to like bird nicknames - even the one I found I'm not sure is actually meant to be bird-related). And extra points if you know what a chough is or how it's pronounced!
There are an awful lot of clubs who use the same nicknames (especially robins, magpies, eagles, and even linnets!), so there are multiple correct answers.
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Post by Tstone on Feb 16, 2021 20:36:03 GMT
Chuff
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Post by jdl on Feb 16, 2021 20:39:52 GMT
And you mate! Correct. It's taken me over 60 years to find that out!
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Post by hongkongstone on Feb 17, 2021 3:19:00 GMT
On fear of punishment that includes 'the birch'
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Post by hongkongstone on Feb 17, 2021 3:26:07 GMT
From my visits to Singapore they have very high standards, Low crime rate, first class underground, very clean, not expensive and a low unemployment and a wealth that exceeds all its neighbours. That seems something to aim for here. If the country is booming then tax rates can be reduced. Flexibility in business does not mean a reduction in standards necessarily but a reduction of bureaucracy and increase in efficiency. If you complain about Dyson moving to Singapore you should be delighted about a plan that would bring investment from all over the globe to the UK. You can't have it both ways. Low tax rates have been very beneficial to Dublin. We should do everything to take advantage of the position we find ourselves in and not keep looking to the past. You have obviously never had to deal with the Singapore bureaucracy. It is complex, deep rooted and is extremely authoritarion in making decisions based on the thoughts of people at the top rather than expert advice (I am currently consulting on a project there so am speaking from first hand experience). BTW the low tax rates only apply to businesses. The people have their retrirement fund decisions directed for them by the state which ultimately accounts for 40% of their salary. Notwithstanding the public transport system is good (as it is in HK where I do not need to own a car), so if this is what you are supporting then I am with you all the way.
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Post by nws on Feb 17, 2021 8:55:58 GMT
NWS perhaps you should read what I wrote rather than what you wished I had written. "If you complain about Dyson moving to Singapore you should be delighted about a plan that would bring investment from all over the globe to the UK". ie you complain about investment leaving these shores so should welcome a scheme that would attract investment from the rest of the world. It is not that difficult is it? As for your world happiness index, how many of those countries are full members of the EU? I cannot see how lower taxation would make a country less happy can you? Being larger than Singapore or Eire is a positive. We can have more freeports for a start and as we have a greater population we would not need as many immigrants as both those countries. Your statement "Again, how is that shared out.We already have enough wealth." is an admission that the country is already doing well. Consider if we could attract the sort of wealth that Singapore does multiplied by our larger country, reputation, legal system, and contacts worldwide how much more wealthy the country would be. Income tax and other tax could be reduced making everyone better off. Contrast with remaining in the EU with increasing costs of membership, no hope of a balanced budget, waste and more waste. More contributions to the central bank to bail out basket case countries. Unable to adapt to changes, paying tariffs on goods not made or grown in the EU. The EU will gradually become less important to us as create alliances with the emerging countries which are growing at a far quicker rate than the EU. The future is bright. It's this inability to grasp simple concepts that worries me. If a foreign company invests here, where do profits flows end up (I understand that this is much more clouded by globalisation and free capital flows now)? In essence, you voted to get rid of foreign workers from the UK yet are quite happy to have them owning our means of production in this country and thus making us subservient to them. The world happiness index will include all EU members. However, here is a flavour for you (their positions in the index are in brackets). Finland (1), Denmark (2), Netherlands (6), Sweden (7), Austria (9), Luxembourg (10). So half the top ten. Ireland (16), Germany (17), Czech Republic (19), Belgium (20), Malta (22), France (23), Spain (28), Italy (30). Finally, Singapore comes in 1t 31. UK is currently at 13. Essentially, you want to put us down the list of happiness. Sounds great. You cannot see how a lower taxation would not make a country less happy. Well, yes. If it leads to less services, less financial security in old age and greater levels of homelessness. In your examples of Ireland (with it's low corporation tax) and Singapore. They are both below us and several higher taxing countries. It's not just a case of have low taxes and everyone will be happy. Low taxes almost inevitably means much more for the top people and less for the people at the lower end of the scale and they are kept just on side by throwing a few breadcrumbs. You do know that the phrase 'trickledown economics' was no coined by an economist, don't you, but by a comedian. Yes, that's right, your mantra of low taxes to attract rich people was coined by a comedian. Yes. Our country is doing well in terms of absolute wealth and is undoubtedly one of the richest on Earth. Your acceptance of that, is an acceptance that we have done really well, overall, despite 45 years of 'pesky EU laws and controls'. My beef is with how that wealth is shared out. Thousands of people visiting food banks each week shows just how bad income inequality is. Now look at what has gone on in this pandemic with contracts for mates etc etc, failure and no seeming comeback. It is not the EU that has been ruining things, as you will find out. What you spectacularly fail to grasp is that Singapore is attracting great wealth but many are not seeing that because of income inequality. Low taxes mean that less services are offered to less well off people and, as we all know, when left to the market, income flows to capital. I would suggest you look again at the happiness index and consider the social policies etc of the countries at the top, rather than just look at some nonsense put forward by rich people and high end bankers. I promise you they are not your friends and they are not going to tell you the truth. Look at the whole 'let's go WTO' argument and how that fell apart when the rules were actually pointed out by people such as...well...the WTO. The 'increasing cost of membership' of the EU gave us full access to the single market. Only recently, Brandon Lewis, was busy explaining how Northern Ireland has the best of both worlds because it has access to the UK and EU market. Jesus wept! The amount we paid in paled into insignificance to what we got out. Your £10bn a year savings has already reduced by 3/4 because of the bureacracy we now face. Now add the reducing trade we are experiencing. Do you really believe contracts with Fiji or something are going to save that? You do realise that the EU had lots of trade deals already in place which we automatically lost when we left. If not read about them sometime. Many of the new deals, the 'excellent' Ms Truss has negotiated have simply been continuations of those. So much better! Incidentally, why has Ms Truss been refusing to answer questions about the brexit debacle. The countries you want to create alliances with and have unfettered access to and vice versa will undoubtedly have very different social and political structures. They will have lower labour costs and worker protections and be able to produce goods at a much lower price than here. What do you think will happen when they get access to our markets without tariffs. Our goods will be cheaper, I'm just confused as to how we will pay for them, in the longer run you keep harping on about. If you want proof, just look back to Mr Dyson and his production line for a small example. If you want proof of where deregulation gets us, have a look at homelessness in the UK.
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