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Post by daveu on Mar 5, 2020 9:07:07 GMT
We're very lucky to have an owner like Oliver. No excuses, no nonsense, just an open and honest summary of where we are. "We are already considering carefully how to operate next season. Clearly there are choices and changes to consider and we hope to make an announcement about all that shortly."It will be very interesting to see what that announcement amounts to! Taken with Oliver's comments on the financial situation and the difficulty with attracting new 'investment', I suspect we could be facing up to the reality of not being able to remain full-time in an otherwise part-time league. And you're having orgasms over that possibility
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Post by Fed up with PC views only on Mar 5, 2020 9:50:15 GMT
For me, Oliver's blog simply states the obvious. The club must live within its means. Going full time was a necessity to survive in the NL. For reasons we know too well, it didn't work out, but the happens to one sixth of clubs every season. The club in effect has tried to create its own parachute (payment) by risking full time this season and it seems it hasn't worked out. If so, so be it and changes must be made for next season, so the club stays solvent. Better to have a solvent club than no club at all. I think we can all say amen to that.
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Post by sword65 on Mar 5, 2020 10:18:32 GMT
For me, Oliver's blog simply states the obvious. The club must live within its means. Going full time was a necessity to survive in the NL. For reasons we know too well, it didn't work out, but the happens to one sixth of clubs every season. The club in effect has tried to create its own parachute (payment) by risking full time this season and it seems it hasn't worked out. If so, so be it and changes must be made for next season, so the club stays solvent. Better to have a solvent club than no club at all. I think we can all say amen to that. The thing is a lot of our fans will not like it and drift away as they are already doing and then you'll be left with the hardcore fans. The club will budget for 1800 fans but attendances may fall to 1600 and so the same scenario again for next season and on and on it goes. I am not in a hurry to get promoted again but the club is in need of a really good season to get investors interested and get bums on seats, get the Genco rocking and fill the town end.we dont have to win the league or the playoffs just have a good season, is that too much to wish for?
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Post by pwoodstone on Mar 5, 2020 10:24:57 GMT
We could yet sneak the playoffs and had a good FA Cup run.
Looking at Concorde with a bit of jealousy. Turning point in the season those 2 cup games.
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Post by sword65 on Mar 5, 2020 10:41:39 GMT
We could yet sneak the playoffs and had a good FA Cup run. Looking at Concorde with a bit of jealousy. Turning point in the season those 2 cup games. We had our chance at the trophy last year but were totally outplayed by a lower league side who didnt even get into 2nd gear.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 11:09:00 GMT
So if we went part time that would presumably mean a total change of playing squad, again, unless any of the current players want to go P/T?
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Post by pigbag on Mar 5, 2020 11:22:51 GMT
Such genuine blokes in charge of the club, their backs seem to back against the wall at present. The club is still overspending on wages, attendances down, income down 15%, performance and results not good, supporters abusing players, no new investors in sight, social media critics having a field day, not exactly happy days. Some forum posters have been demanding a statement from the owners. Well you have it now ! What next ? I think you must have missed the bit about preliminary discussions with several potential investors.
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Post by steveh21 on Mar 5, 2020 11:27:28 GMT
So if we went part time that would presumably mean a total change of playing squad, again, unless any of the current players want to go P/T? No problem with this. We have to do what is best for the club. It is high part-time wages or low full time wages. Are the players here for the money or, as used to be the case for many, the chance to play in front of higher than average crowds in NLS? If we have to rebuild the squad again next season then that's what we do...
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Post by 1018 on Mar 5, 2020 12:08:42 GMT
I might have this wrong but aren't some of our current squad on 2-year contracts?
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Post by pedant on Mar 5, 2020 12:20:59 GMT
I might have this wrong but aren't some of our current squad on 2-year contracts? Correct. Even one who has spent most of the season at Leatherhead.
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Post by hammerstone on Mar 5, 2020 12:21:56 GMT
Its clear FT isn't working out financially as we cannot really compete with the clubs as Oliver mentions happy to chuck away 500k+ every season. Reverting to part time will hopefully lure the best PT players as opposed to offering lower wages for full time where we compete against quite a few clubs in this part of the world. After a season or two if more investment comes in then we can take another look at things.
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Post by pedant on Mar 5, 2020 12:29:34 GMT
Such genuine blokes in charge of the club, their backs seem to back against the wall at present. The club is still overspending on wages, attendances down, income down 15%, performance and results not good, supporters abusing players, no new investors in sight, social media critics having a field day, not exactly happy days. Some forum posters have been demanding a statement from the owners. Well you have it now ! What next ? I think you must have missed the bit about preliminary discussions with several potential investors. "As stated previously we are still trying to identify possible investors to help the club grow sustainably faster but for the moment we are no further than several preliminary discussions."
and you think this says what?
Positive spin - several people have expressed enough interest to have a preliminary discussion which may lead further with some;or Negative spin - several people have expressed enough interest to have a preliminary discussion and none have wanted to take it further.
Or even somewhere in between.
I'm sure this was difficult for Oliver / the Club to craft but the whole thing reads very much as a 'holding' statement and actually tells us little. A position I understand entirely.
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Post by davec on Mar 5, 2020 12:37:13 GMT
Its clear FT isn't working out financially as we cannot really compete with the clubs as Oliver mentions happy to chuck away 500k+ every season. Reverting to part time will hopefully lure the best PT players as opposed to offering lower wages for full time where we compete against quite a few clubs in this part of the world. After a season or two if more investment comes in then we can take another look at things. I am happy to go along with part time players Can somebody give some suggestions of which part time players they would like to sign and would they be good enough to satisfy our increasingly demanding fan base
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Post by jdl on Mar 5, 2020 12:41:50 GMT
We're very lucky to have an owner like Oliver. No excuses, no nonsense, just an open and honest summary of where we are. "We are already considering carefully how to operate next season. Clearly there are choices and changes to consider and we hope to make an announcement about all that shortly."It will be very interesting to see what that announcement amounts to! Taken with Oliver's comments on the financial situation and the difficulty with attracting new 'investment', I suspect we could be facing up to the reality of not being able to remain full-time in an otherwise part-time league. And you're having orgasms over that possibility This is sadly typical of this board. I have never been fanatical about going part-time, it's just something worth discussing (on a discussion board!). I can see pros and cons on both side of the argument - and it could well be the wrong thing to do. All I have ever said is that it worked fine for us before (which is fact) - although I accept that those were very different times - and that going 'full-time' hasn't worked (again, fact). So, I'd like to see us try it again. But, if we had the money to do it properly, I'd actually prefer us to stay full-time. In reality, of course, I don't think we have much choice, as our gates, good as they are, simply don't give us the income to go properly full-time. And, of course, even if going back to part-time does work, we still have to face this problem again when we get back into the NL. Unfortunately, we seem to live in this black and white world where, if you don't agree with someone 100%, you are assumed to be 100% against them. Rather ironically, you are assumed to have an agenda, when what's really happening is that your posts are being interpreted through the eyes of someone else who really does have an agenda.
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Post by jdl on Mar 5, 2020 12:45:03 GMT
The same thing is happening with regards to the management. You either have to be pro-JS2 and HH or against them (which is frequently misinterpreted as for the club, or against it).
In reality, of course, the situation is far more complex than that. I thought bringing JS2 back was a good idea and a bold choice, and hoped it would work out. Admittedly, I never had much faith in HH, but I was happy to give him a go. But the unfortunate facts are that things haven't worked out with these two in charge (although, there is of course - just - time to turn things round). But, if by the end of April, nothing has changed, then I would expect the club to let both JS2 and HH go and bring in someone new.
Not because I have an 'agenda', but purely because they haven't done the job they were brought in to do, and I feel we'd be better off bringing someone new in, rather than giving them another season.
But, unfortunately, this isn't simple enough for some people - you either have to be pro the management (and everything else about the club) and turn a blind eye to anything that might suggest otherwise, or else you aren’t a real supporter and you're trying to bring the club down.
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