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Post by hongkongstone on Mar 12, 2020 1:59:20 GMT
Newsnight yesterday had some interesting information and comparisons. For example, if you do nothing to halt a viral outbreak, it will peak high and fast, but be over just as quickly. Delaying tactics do just that, delay things, but the effect is the same, but over a longer period. Isolate and there is a high risk of it coming back later. Am wondering if across the world, we are approaching things the right way? Instead of delay and isolation for everyone, shouldn't we be doing our best to protect the vulnerable, by focussing on them, especially as we are told many will only get a mild dose or not even notice at all, while children it seems are not at risk? One person interviewed was the wonderfully named Professor Brilliant ( does the law of averages mean their is also a professor fuckwit somewhere?), who suggested the Korean approach was the best one: test as many people as possible, so you know for sure where things are headed. Sounds like the government is paying attention for once with a five fold testing increase just announced. Two weeks ago, Italy had 300 cases, same as us now. They now have over 10 000. Is this us in two weeks? If so, what will the situation in Italy be by then? Worse or getting better? If the latter, good, but can't help thinking that 10 000 out of 60 million is a very small percentage to shut down a country over. Are 'they' not telling us everything, I wonder??? If so, maybe we should all practice bending over to kiss our arse goodbye, before it is too late... I am utterly befuddled as to why we have not been testing at airports and stopping flights from infected areas. I'm glad we 'took back control' of our borders! Hong Kong has had body temperature scanners at the airport and ports since the original SARS in 2003. The technology and methodology exksts and is well understood and doesn't slow transit (unless of ourse the alarm bell rings and you get taken to one side for further examination). In other news I note that Austria and Slovenia have closed thekr borders with Italy. I was under the obvious misapprehension that one had to leave the EU before 'taking back control' of one's borders. Or was it all just a pack of lies?
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Post by hongkongstone on Mar 12, 2020 2:19:13 GMT
And just to add a simple analogy to this debate on preventative measures........ if I wear a seatbelt when driving it doesn't guarantee that I won't be killed in an accident but it gives me a much better chance of survival.
Frequent hand washing, with alcohol if possible, is the most important things to consider. Masks at least stop you touching your own face.
Hong Kong closed the majority of it's borders to China in January and as of today we have had 129 confirmed cases, 67 of which have been discharged and 3 deaths. This is amongst a population of 7.5 million with most living in very high density housing. As such I would conclude that the self initiated precautions (both govrnmental and personal) are at least achieving something even if to some they appear excessive to some (I could similarly argue that I don't always need to wear a seat belt also). It works also because 99% of the population are folllwing sttict routines with a collective desire to minimise potential transmission and overcome the virus (and to stay alive).
Whilst I am open to the debate on the effectiveness of N95 masks, at a social level it does demonstrate that you are thinking of other peoples concerns to allay fear rather than just coming accross as an arrogant so-and-so.
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Post by nws on Mar 12, 2020 8:37:04 GMT
Just click on 'edit' and change the title. (Only the thread creator can do this - unfortunately!!) Please Sword change it! Yes, Sword. Please change it to what they ask for so they can get their 'victory' and keep twoddle dee and twoddle dumb happy. I will still have been talking about a health issue and not politics and using fact or expert opinions within that but they will feel great about themselves because they got someone to change a messageboard title. How hilarious. Meanwhile, the rest of us can have a debate about coronavirus.
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Post by hammerstone on Mar 12, 2020 8:39:22 GMT
After today’s Cobra meeting it is highly likely they will announce all football matches will take place behind closed doors, not exhausted to just the PL but lower leagues as well.
If it gets this far down the chain I think a lot of clubs are going to struggle without any gate money! Not sure if it’s covered in some form of insurance or reimbursement from the FA or the like.
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Post by nws on Mar 12, 2020 8:39:37 GMT
I am utterly befuddled as to why we have not been testing at airports and stopping flights from infected areas. I'm glad we 'took back control' of our borders! Hong Kong has had body temperature scanners at the airport and ports since the original SARS in 2003. The technology and methodology exksts and is well understood and doesn't slow transit (unless of ourse the alarm bell rings and you get taken to one side for further examination). In other news I note that Austria and Slovenia have closed thekr borders with Italy. I was under the obvious misapprehension that one had to leave the EU before 'taking back control' of one's borders. Or was it all just a pack of lies?Absolutely not. Someone with no connection to anything relevant said it on facebook so it is true. It is in the Lisbon treaty and WTO rules.
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Post by nws on Mar 12, 2020 8:44:28 GMT
After today’s Cobra meeting it is highly likely they will announce all football matches will take place behind closed doors, not exhausted to just the PL but lower leagues as well. If it gets this far down the chain I think a lot of clubs are going to struggle without any gate money! Not sure if it’s covered in some form of insurance or reimbursement from the FA or the like. This seems a little pointless if shopping centres, pubs etc are open are open. It has to be a real effort to stop people mingling or just crack on and endure the consequences. Sadly, we will do this once we reach 50,000 people infected and 1,000 deaths or something and by then it will be way too late. The simple act of shutting borders and/or testing everyone at ports, airports etc, as soon as the capability was available would have been the measure but they didn't want to lose money. Now it will be more costly.
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Post by nws on Mar 12, 2020 8:45:55 GMT
And just to add a simple analogy to this debate on preventative measures........ if I wear a seatbelt when driving it doesn't guarantee that I won't be killed in an accident but it gives me a much better chance of survival. Frequent hand washing, with alcohol if possible, is the most important things to consider. Masks at least stop you touching your own face. Hong Kong closed the majority of it's borders to China in January and as of today we have had 129 confirmed cases, 67 of which have been discharged and 3 deaths. This is amongst a population of 7.5 million with most living in very high density housing. As such I would conclude that the self initiated precautions (both govrnmental and personal) are at least achieving something even if to some they appear excessive to some (I could similarly argue that I don't always need to wear a seat belt also). It works also because 99% of the population are folllwing sttict routines with a collective desire to minimise potential transmission and overcome the virus (and to stay alive). Whilst I am open to the debate on the effectiveness of N95 masks, at a social level it does demonstrate that you are thinking of other peoples concerns to allay fear rather than just coming accross as an arrogant so-and-so. Just to add to your seatbelt analogy...if you wear it in the back seat then you are less likely to kill or injure the person in the front seat.
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Post by jdl on Mar 12, 2020 9:42:44 GMT
And just to add a simple analogy to this debate on preventative measures........ if I wear a seatbelt when driving it doesn't guarantee that I won't be killed in an accident but it gives me a much better chance of survival. Frequent hand washing, with alcohol if possible, is the most important things to consider. Masks at least stop you touching your own face. Hong Kong closed the majority of it's borders to China in January and as of today we have had 129 confirmed cases, 67 of which have been discharged and 3 deaths. This is amongst a population of 7.5 million with most living in very high density housing. As such I would conclude that the self initiated precautions (both govrnmental and personal) are at least achieving something even if to some they appear excessive to some (I could similarly argue that I don't always need to wear a seat belt also). It works also because 99% of the population are folllwing sttict routines with a collective desire to minimise potential transmission and overcome the virus (and to stay alive). Whilst I am open to the debate on the effectiveness of N95 masks, at a social level it does demonstrate that you are thinking of other peoples concerns to allay fear rather than just coming accross as an arrogant so-and-so. This is impressive. But it also means that, when this is all over, HK will be an island of non-immune people, nicely packed tightly together, just waiting for a surviving virus to come along - licking it's lips in anticipation... You'd better hope a vaccine comes along pretty bloody fast! (Although, as far as I can find out at the moment, flu vaccines typically only have about a 40% success rate. I don't know how this compares to other vaccines, but it doesn't sound very reassuring.)
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Post by Tstone on Mar 12, 2020 10:26:04 GMT
And just to add a simple analogy to this debate on preventative measures........ if I wear a seatbelt when driving it doesn't guarantee that I won't be killed in an accident but it gives me a much better chance of survival. Frequent hand washing, with alcohol if possible, is the most important things to consider. Masks at least stop you touching your own face. Hong Kong closed the majority of it's borders to China in January and as of today we have had 129 confirmed cases, 67 of which have been discharged and 3 deaths. This is amongst a population of 7.5 million with most living in very high density housing. As such I would conclude that the self initiated precautions (both govrnmental and personal) are at least achieving something even if to some they appear excessive to some (I could similarly argue that I don't always need to wear a seat belt also). It works also because 99% of the population are folllwing sttict routines with a collective desire to minimise potential transmission and overcome the virus (and to stay alive). Whilst I am open to the debate on the effectiveness of N95 masks, at a social level it does demonstrate that you are thinking of other peoples concerns to allay fear rather than just coming accross as an arrogant so-and-so. Just to add to your seatbelt analogy...if you wear it in the back seat then you are less likely to kill or injure the person in the front seat. Difficult to reach the pedals from the back seat - unless you're NWS!
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Post by headstone on Mar 12, 2020 10:57:16 GMT
Just read that the Premier league maybe scrapped as the government are thinking of cancelling all events that will attract 1000+ spectators. This would surely also lead to the abandonment of the EFL and Natoinal league. How though, if it comes to it, would it affect us with our home crowds? Would our games be cancelled? Would they limit our attendances to under 1000?. This could also affect other clubs in the NLS & NLN ,would our leagues also be scrapped? Anyone got any views? I've skipped all the intervening pages, so apologies if someone's already said this - the answer is surely to allow only season ticket holders to attend. Then it would make it worthwhile having bought one in the over-optimistic pre-season!
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Post by nws on Mar 12, 2020 16:52:52 GMT
Just read that the Premier league maybe scrapped as the government are thinking of cancelling all events that will attract 1000+ spectators. This would surely also lead to the abandonment of the EFL and Natoinal league. How though, if it comes to it, would it affect us with our home crowds? Would our games be cancelled? Would they limit our attendances to under 1000?. This could also affect other clubs in the NLS & NLN ,would our leagues also be scrapped? Anyone got any views? I've skipped all the intervening pages, so apologies if someone's already said this - the answer is surely to allow only season ticket holders to attend. Then it would make it worthwhile having bought one in the over-optimistic pre-season! Bog roll or season ticket?
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Post by nws on Mar 12, 2020 16:58:15 GMT
Coronavirus cases up to 590. 134 new cases in 24 hours.
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Post by jakeyboi on Mar 12, 2020 17:17:05 GMT
Coronavirus cases up to 590. 134 new cases in 24 hours. Went to Royal Marsden in Sutton yesterday was supposed to go back tomorrow but got a call this morning saying that the hospital has now gone into lock down and is not accepting any new patients or visitors, restricting visitors to one per patient, and will stay that way for at least 7 days.
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Post by nws on Mar 12, 2020 18:35:50 GMT
Coronavirus cases up to 590. 134 new cases in 24 hours. Went to Royal Marsden in Sutton yesterday was supposed to go back tomorrow but got a call this morning saying that the hospital has now gone into lock down and is not accepting any new patients or visitors, restricting visitors to one per patient, and will stay that way for at least 7 days. Bah to these hospital types. What do they know about health-related issues? Did you not tell them to stop panicking because Dave only has hayfever? Seriously though, hope the lack of appointment doesn't affect you too much.
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Post by jakeyboi on Mar 12, 2020 20:29:27 GMT
Went to Royal Marsden in Sutton yesterday was supposed to go back tomorrow but got a call this morning saying that the hospital has now gone into lock down and is not accepting any new patients or visitors, restricting visitors to one per patient, and will stay that way for at least 7 days. Bah to these hospital types. What do they know about health-related issues? Did you not tell them to stop panicking because Dave only has hayfever? Seriously though, hope the lack of appointment doesn't affect you too much. Cheers mate but I dont admit to knowing daveu to anyone, hopefully the lock down wont affect me too much, even at Maidstone Oncology family are not being allowed down into the chemo wards, so this is getting serious.
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