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Post by nws on Mar 11, 2020 13:24:29 GMT
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Post by 61666 on Mar 11, 2020 13:47:10 GMT
Newsnight yesterday had some interesting information and comparisons. For example, if you do nothing to halt a viral outbreak, it will peak high and fast, but be over just as quickly. Delaying tactics do just that, delay things, but the effect is the same, but over a longer period. Isolate and there is a high risk of it coming back later. Am wondering if across the world, we are approaching things the right way? Instead of delay and isolation for everyone, shouldn't we be doing our best to protect the vulnerable, by focussing on them, especially as we are told many will only get a mild dose or not even notice at all, while children it seems are not at risk? One person interviewed was the wonderfully named Professor Brilliant ( does the law of averages mean their is also a professor fuckwit somewhere?), who suggested the Korean approach was the best one: test as many people as possible, so you know for sure where things are headed. Sounds like the government is paying attention for once with a five fold testing increase just announced. Two weeks ago, Italy had 300 cases, same as us now. They now have over 10 000. Is this us in two weeks? If so, what will the situation in Italy be by then? Worse or getting better? If the latter, good, but can't help thinking that 10 000 out of 60 million is a very small percentage to shut down a country over. Are 'they' not telling us everything, I wonder???
If so, maybe we should all practice bending over to kiss our arse goodbye, before it is too late...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 14:24:45 GMT
I think it's best if nws self-isolates for two weeks. Actually, make it a hundred and two to be on the safe side, Ade! How many people have died from normal flu meanwhile? Interesting to note that they tested the 7 people who were in the same Milton Keynes ward as a man who died of COVID-19. None of them were positive.
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Post by daveu on Mar 11, 2020 14:53:01 GMT
Two viruses on the go here - Covid 19 and FAPP. Fear, Anxiety, Panic and Paranoia. The latter threatens to wreak more havoc than the first. FAPP is the basis for your agenda. I'm quite intrigued as to why you get so het up about a few lost football matches but are so relaxed about something that is killing vulnerable people. A quite amazing disconnect with reality but I am sure you can enlighten me. By enlighten me I mean by actually commenting on the issue rather than repeating my words with the addition of a smiley face, in replay to JDL, or do you always need to enlist someone else's help to answer something? Flu kills hundreds, sometimes thousands of vulnerable people every year, and that's with vaccines available, yet we don't have the mass hysteria and media frenzy caused by the current outbreak. Maybe it's better to try your best to protect the vulnerable while letting the otherwise mild illness take its course and die out naturally.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 15:17:37 GMT
Spot on, Dave. Meanwhile, renowned virologist Angela Merkel saying that up to 70% of Germans could get infected, is incredibly unhelpful. Maybe she's got shares in a hand-soap company. I mean where the hell did she pull that number from? And "up to" covers all numbers lower than 70. Meaningless (but it does allow me to state that I've slept with Nicole Kidman up to 70 times...)
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Post by jdl on Mar 11, 2020 15:40:41 GMT
Same here, not so much the sneezing but sore eyes and a dry cough that will last from now up until end of June/mid July-ish. We now have to take our temperature at work when we enter the building and anything over 37.6 has to be reported to HR. Massive overreaction Two viruses on the go here - Covid 19 and FAPP. Fear, Anxiety, Panic and Paranoia. The latter threatens to wreak more havoc than the first. I hope you're not accusing anyone on this board of FAPPing?
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Post by jdl on Mar 11, 2020 15:57:39 GMT
The logic of a brand new virus epidemic is that it continues until it cannot infect anyone else, then it disappears. Whilst there are still people around who haven't been inoculated against it or who haven't got natural immunity, it will continue. Measles, for instance, was all but eradicated, but as soon as a large enough population of non-inoculated people developed, it was back with a bang.
The logic (one assumes) of trying to contain the epidemic is twofold: 1) to lessen its economic impact, by delaying it and flattening out its peak, and 2) to allow time for a vaccine to be developed. I see little chance of the latter happening any time soon - these things take a long time to develop and test, and then there's the huge logistical problem of producing enough of it and distributing it (world-wide).
So, we're back to my original contention - that the people in charge don't care about anyone catching it, even the old, ill and vulnerable, all they care about is mitigating its economic impact. Their strategy so far is entirely aimed at slowing it down, not at all at protecting those of us it is most likely to kill.
If you are old or ill or (for instance) diabetic or having chemotherapy, you are basically expendable.
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Post by pedant on Mar 11, 2020 16:20:37 GMT
Spot on, Dave. Meanwhile, renowned virologist Angela Merkel saying that up to 70% of Germans could get infected, is incredibly unhelpful. Maybe she's got shares in a hand-soap company. I mean where the hell did she pull that number from? And "up to" covers all numbers lower than 70. Meaningless (but it does allow me to state that I've slept with Nicole Kidman up to 70 times...) Is 'zero', 'nought' or '0' a number?
If not then 'freedom of speech' may allow you to make your statement but the courts could be asked to decide on its voracity
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Post by jackster on Mar 11, 2020 16:46:22 GMT
FAPP is the basis for your agenda. I'm quite intrigued as to why you get so het up about a few lost football matches but are so relaxed about something that is killing vulnerable people. A quite amazing disconnect with reality but I am sure you can enlighten me. By enlighten me I mean by actually commenting on the issue rather than repeating my words with the addition of a smiley face, in replay to JDL, or do you always need to enlist someone else's help to answer Flu kills hundreds, sometimes thousands of vulnerable people every year, and that's with vaccines available, yet we don't have the mass hysteria and media frenzy caused by the current outbreak. Maybe it's better to try your best to protect the vulnerable while letting the otherwise mild illness take its course and die out naturally.something? DOCTOR DAVE SAYS "Flu kills hundreds, sometimes thousands of vulnerable people every year, and that's with vaccines available, yet we don't have the mass hysteria and media frenzy caused by the current outbreak. Maybe it's better to try your best to protect the vulnerable while letting the otherwise mild illness take its course and die out naturally".Well daveu, at least you are getting plenty of 'likes' on this topic. What's there not to like when you compare it with the perils of flu, as though it somehow diminishes the seriousness of this new virus. An 'otherwise mild illness' indeed ! We know that flu kills about 0.1% (one tenth of one percent) of people who contract it. This virus by comparison has already killed over 4% of people in Italy who have become infected. A fatality rate over 40 times greater than flu Over 35% of people in intensive care with the virus in Italy are aged under 65. It's not the insignificant and mild illness that you are talking about. I would love you to be proven right in your assessment. Sadly I don't believe there's a cat in hells chance of that happening.
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Post by sword65 on Mar 11, 2020 16:47:45 GMT
Spot on, Dave. Meanwhile, renowned virologist Angela Merkel saying that up to 70% of Germans could get infected, is incredibly unhelpful. Maybe she's got shares in a hand-soap company. I mean where the hell did she pull that number from? And "up to" covers all numbers lower than 70. Meaningless (but it does allow me to state that I've slept with Nicole Kidman up to 70 times...) Is 'zero', 'nought' or '0' a number?
If not then 'freedom of speech' may allow you to make your statement but the courts could be asked to decide on its voracity
All numbers lower than 70 so -70 is a number,does that mean 70%of people wanted Coronavirus but couldnt catch it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 16:59:07 GMT
Spot on, Dave. Meanwhile, renowned virologist Angela Merkel saying that up to 70% of Germans could get infected, is incredibly unhelpful. Maybe she's got shares in a hand-soap company. I mean where the hell did she pull that number from? And "up to" covers all numbers lower than 70. Meaningless (but it does allow me to state that I've slept with Nicole Kidman up to 70 times...) Is 'zero', 'nought' or '0' a number?
If not then 'freedom of speech' may allow you to make your statement but the courts could be asked to decide on its voracity
Or even its veracity. I'm the voracious one. Ask Nicole.
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Post by pedant on Mar 11, 2020 17:03:14 GMT
Is 'zero', 'nought' or '0' a number?
If not then 'freedom of speech' may allow you to make your statement but the courts could be asked to decide on its voracity
Or even its veracity. I'm the voracious one. Ask Nicole. Quite. Can't even blame spellchecker for that one
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Post by Fed up with PC views only on Mar 11, 2020 18:13:33 GMT
Two viruses on the go here - Covid 19 and FAPP. Fear, Anxiety, Panic and Paranoia. The latter threatens to wreak more havoc than the first. I hope you're not accusing anyone on this board of FAPPing? Some people just love to FAPP unfortunately.
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Post by Fed up with PC views only on Mar 11, 2020 18:19:41 GMT
Two viruses on the go here - Covid 19 and FAPP. Fear, Anxiety, Panic and Paranoia. The latter threatens to wreak more havoc than the first. FAPP is the basis for your agenda. I'm quite intrigued as to why you get so het up about a few lost football matches but are so relaxed about something that is killing vulnerable people. A quite amazing disconnect with reality but I am sure you can enlighten me. By enlighten me I mean by actually commenting on the issue rather than repeating my words with the addition of a smiley face, in replay to JDL, or do you always need to enlist someone else's help to answer something? Grow up nws. I offered you a truce but clearly you are only interested in an argument. You are entitled to your opinion of course but no need to be so acerbic all the time just because more than one of us have a different view to you and agree with each other.I think you probably got the definition of an extremist. Chillax.
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Post by Fed up with PC views only on Mar 11, 2020 18:20:54 GMT
FAPP is the basis for your agenda. I'm quite intrigued as to why you get so het up about a few lost football matches but are so relaxed about something that is killing vulnerable people. A quite amazing disconnect with reality but I am sure you can enlighten me. By enlighten me I mean by actually commenting on the issue rather than repeating my words with the addition of a smiley face, in replay to JDL, or do you always need to enlist someone else's help to answer something? Grow up nws. I offered you a truce but clearly you are only interested in an argument. You are entitled to your opinion of course but no need to be so acerbic all the time just because more than one of us have a different view to you and agree with each other.I think you probably got the definition of an extremist. Chillax. For acerbic read acidic
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