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Post by royalstone on Feb 20, 2020 9:57:37 GMT
As a loyal supporter I have bitten my tongue over the management debate up until now but just wanted to get this off of my chest, so here goes..... HH oversaw Braintree''s relegation from the NL in 2017 and left by 'mutual consent'. He was rehired a year later after their promotion back to NL and oversaw them to the bottom of the table before he left to come here to guide us to the bottom, eventually 4 points behind Braintree! Also look at Dover last year in the NL. Deep in the relegation zone and below us when both teams decided upon a change of management. As much as I know some people here don't like Hessenthaler he did guide them to a mid-table finish using some of our ex-players and they are still thriving this season. IMHO this is proof that it IS about management and unfortunately I can see little evidence of it at MUFC at the moment. Am I correct in believing that JS2 contract was only up to the end of this season? What about HH? You might be right but we're not going to get relegated this season and most fans would agree that immediate promotion back to the NL this season isn't a 'must' so personally I'll wait ( as I'm sure T & O will) till the end of the season before passing judgement on them. One thing I would say tho is ... if the playing budget is tight can we afford two first team managers and a coach ? Would one of these wages be better spent on a goalscorer? JS2s experience is vast but so is BWs and he was there for advice for Jay when required but Jay was left to his own devices. The problem with the current structure is HH is not properly accountable as JS2 is permanentally helping him.
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Post by Fed up with PC views only on Feb 20, 2020 10:56:20 GMT
As a loyal supporter I have bitten my tongue over the management debate up until now but just wanted to get this off of my chest, so here goes..... HH oversaw Braintree''s relegation from the NL in 2017 and left by 'mutual consent'. He was rehired a year later after their promotion back to NL and oversaw them to the bottom of the table before he left to come here to guide us to the bottom, eventually 4 points behind Braintree! Also look at Dover last year in the NL. Deep in the relegation zone and below us when both teams decided upon a change of management. As much as I know some people here don't like Hessenthaler he did guide them to a mid-table finish using some of our ex-players and they are still thriving this season. IMHO this is proof that it IS about management and unfortunately I can see little evidence of it at MUFC at the moment. Am I correct in believing that JS2 contract was only up to the end of this season? What about HH? You might be right but we're not going to get relegated this season and most fans would agree that immediate promotion back to the NL this season isn't a 'must' so personally I'll wait ( as I'm sure T & O will) till the end of the season before passing judgement on them. One thing I would say tho is ... if the playing budget is tight can we afford two first team managers and a coach ? Would one of these wages be better spent on a goalscorer? JS2s experience is vast but so is BWs and he was there for advice for Jay when required but Jay was left to his own devices. The problem with the current structure is HH is not properly accountable as JS2 is permanentally helping him. Great post. Wait and see what end of season brings. If we win playoffs, we will all suddenly see Hak as a Stones legend! (JS2 already is, and always will be whatever happens this year!) At the moment its questionable having two coaches, for sure, especially when one of them seems to be a clear No2 never-to-be-aNo1 (in my view) andt I dont think we will continue with that going forward, but there again what do I know? Time will tell.
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Post by jakeyboi on Feb 20, 2020 11:31:56 GMT
Well had some good news today despite the car accident it has not aggitated my cancer so will be back watching football again Saturday hated missing last couple of games. As for the last couple of posts about the play offs let,s be realistic an start assuming we may not even make the play offs, yes we have a game in hand bit I would rather have actual points in the bag than a game in hand. What ever fans think of HH he will be here until at least the end of the season unless he decides to leave an that,s not going to happen. If we dont burst into a playoff spot in the next couple of weeks then the club may be better off in starting to plan for next season an short list the type of players they want.
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Post by jdl on Feb 20, 2020 12:20:33 GMT
I don't think anyone seriously thinks we should change managers at the moment - especially after last season!
But I've not seen or heard anything from HH to suggest that he is the answer to our needs. JS2 is a Stone's legend, and has brought in some good players, so I'd like to see him stay on in a chief scout role, but, again, I'm afraid that I've not seen anything this season to suggest that he is the answer re team management either.
And, as others have said, can we afford so many 'managers'?
Personally, I would bring JS1 back and give him a season to see what he can do. I know this won't be popular with some on here, but he does have a proven track record, and I think enough time has passed now for T&O to welcome him back.
I don't expect miracles, and I'm fully aware that he may have lost his mojo (results at Margate are hardly inspiring) or it might turn out that his time with us was a special combination of luck and circumstances which can't be reproduced. But I still think it's worth a try. And, after all, there's not exactly a queue of experienced NS/NL managers outside Bill's door...
And what's the worse that can happen? Another mid-table season is hardly a disaster.
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Post by jdl on Feb 20, 2020 12:22:30 GMT
Spot on. What's it like over there at the moment - panicky? Hope you're washing your hands! Whilst not wishing to digress too far from the core MUFC discussions on this forum, the situation in HK is that everyone is very nervous. We have had 65 confirmed cases of WuFlu here so far and 2 deaths (WTO gave it a name so as not to associate it with the PRC but no-one is fooled). Everyone in the streets is wearing a mask and whilst it may not protect one does it through an act of social solidarity. As you rightly say frequent hand washing is important as virus can live up to 20 minutes outside of the body and so you don't know if that handpole on the bus you just touched was coughed over by someone a few minutes ago. We have gone through the ridiculous internet rumour inspired run on face masks and toilet rolls in shops which all of the Epsilon's fell for. The major problem is that there is no business going on at the moment as no-one is coming from overseas and I had some business meetings in UK cancelled this month as they did not want to meet HK people. Even locally a lot of people are working from home and so no meetings or decisions are being taken. Hopefully matters will improve next month and am hoping to get back for 2 Saturday and a Tuesday game during March. Thanks for the update. Sounds a bit grim - hope you get through it ok. I love the fact that it's called WuFlu over there!
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Post by nws on Feb 20, 2020 12:25:30 GMT
Well had some good news today despite the car accident it has not aggitated my cancer so will be back watching football again Saturday hated missing last couple of games. As for the last couple of posts about the play offs let,s be realistic an start assuming we may not even make the play offs, yes we have a game in hand bit I would rather have actual points in the bag than a game in hand. What ever fans think of HH he will be here until at least the end of the season unless he decides to leave an that,s not going to happen. If we dont burst into a playoff spot in the next couple of weeks then the club may be better off in starting to plan for next season an short list the type of players they want. I didn't know you were experiencing cancer, JB. I'm glad it hasnt been aggravated. My very best to you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 12:33:25 GMT
Our management pair have done alright with limited resources (for a full-time team). The players' inconsistencies are not their fault.
Jay Saunders' record in the last few months as our manager was woeful and he isn't exactly setting the Isthiman league alight at Margate. People who keep sticking the knife into John And Hakan just because they lost their darling manager, seriously need to get over it.
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Post by Bernie on Feb 20, 2020 12:45:59 GMT
We don't have the resources to chop and change managers and players every few months because of a couple of bad results. This is it. Deal with it, or become a message board dullard, winding people up because you've fallen out of love with Maidstone United.
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Post by jakeyboi on Feb 20, 2020 12:59:40 GMT
Well had some good news today despite the car accident it has not aggitated my cancer so will be back watching football again Saturday hated missing last couple of games. As for the last couple of posts about the play offs let,s be realistic an start assuming we may not even make the play offs, yes we have a game in hand bit I would rather have actual points in the bag than a game in hand. What ever fans think of HH he will be here until at least the end of the season unless he decides to leave an that,s not going to happen. If we dont burst into a playoff spot in the next couple of weeks then the club may be better off in starting to plan for next season an short list the type of players they want. I didn't know you were experiencing cancer, JB. I'm glad it hasnt been aggravated. My very best to you. Thanks mate its not something I brag about too much it,s spread into my bones so apart from pain control theres not a great deal that can be done an the car crash scared us a bit. Glad to be able to get back to football even if we do lose too often
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Post by jakeyboi on Feb 20, 2020 13:08:22 GMT
I don't think anyone seriously thinks we should change managers at the moment - especially after last season! But I've not seen or heard anything from HH to suggest that he is the answer to our needs. JS2 is a Stone's legend, and has brought in some good players, so I'd like to see him stay on in a chief scout role, but, again, I'm afraid that I've not seen anything this season to suggest that he is the answer re team management either. And, as others have said, can we afford so many 'managers'? Personally, I would bring JS1 back and give him a season to see what he can do. I know this won't be popular with some on here, but he does have a proven track record, and I think enough time has passed now for T&O to welcome him back. I don't expect miracles, and I'm fully aware that he may have lost his mojo (results at Margate are hardly inspiring) or it might turn out that his time with us was a special combination of luck and circumstances which can't be reproduced. But I still think it's worth a try. And, after all, there's not exactly a queue of experienced NS/NL managers outside Bill's door... And what's the worse that can happen? Another mid-table season is hardly a disaster. Why would you bring back JS1? His record before he left was poor to say the least,yes he did well as we climbed up through the leagues but once into the National League he really did struggle so maybe he is not the answer to the clubs situation. Will it be a disaster if the club get stuck in the NLS? I think it could be, fans will start getting fed up with the non attractive games, an gates will fall even more than they have already. Maybe if the club could get there ego,s sorted Saunders could come back as part of a management team rather than an individual
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Post by nws on Feb 20, 2020 16:24:10 GMT
I didn't know you were experiencing cancer, JB. I'm glad it hasnt been aggravated. My very best to you. Thanks mate its not something I brag about too much it,s spread into my bones so apart from pain control theres not a great deal that can be done an the car crash scared us a bit. Glad to be able to get back to football even if we do lose too often Jeez. I am sorry to hear that, JB. I'm glad you are not traumatised by the car crash. Take care
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Post by Fed up with PC views only on Feb 20, 2020 16:34:44 GMT
Well had some good news today despite the car accident it has not aggitated my cancer so will be back watching football again Saturday hated missing last couple of games. As for the last couple of posts about the play offs let,s be realistic an start assuming we may not even make the play offs, yes we have a game in hand bit I would rather have actual points in the bag than a game in hand. What ever fans think of HH he will be here until at least the end of the season unless he decides to leave an that,s not going to happen. If we dont burst into a playoff spot in the next couple of weeks then the club may be better off in starting to plan for next season an short list the type of players they want. All the best to you JB - glad you will be able to make Saturday, had no idea what you were going through, so I really hope its a great game!
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Post by jakeyboi on Feb 20, 2020 17:15:45 GMT
Thanks mate its not something I brag about too much it,s spread into my bones so apart from pain control theres not a great deal that can be done an the car crash scared us a bit. Glad to be able to get back to football even if we do lose too often Jeez. I am sorry to hear that, JB. I'm glad you are not traumatised by the car crash. Take care It,s the possible effects a car crash can cause me that affected me more mate, been told that surgery is not an option for me so all my son an I have is football with the mighty Stones every week. See it,s affected my brain as well
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Post by shamstone on Feb 20, 2020 17:22:53 GMT
Good luck jakeyboi. Noticed you hadn’t been on recently. All the best mate
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Post by jakeyboi on Feb 20, 2020 17:25:37 GMT
Good luck jakeyboi. Noticed you hadn’t been on recently. All the best mate Cheers Shamstone, cant really comment on games I dont watch unlike others. but fingers crossed be back there this weekend
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