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Post by Bernie on Feb 15, 2023 10:54:47 GMT
Dulwich lost again last night - 6 points from a possible 30 over their last 10 games and only 6 points above the relegation zone with many teams below them having games in hand. Genuine question: why are they such consistent under-performers? With their sizeable crowds, decent facilities, catchment area, media profile (incl. a recent BBC documentary), etc surely they should be National League mainstays or at least pushing on for play offs each year? What am I missing? They, from the outside, seem to be a well run club but everything points to them getting things wrong almost year on year. They were, for my money, the worst side to visit the Gallagher last season by some distance. Maybe lefties just don’t make for good football business. Promotion to the National League would be worse for Dulwich than it was for us. They don’t have the stadium for their own fans, never mind segregating away fans. And the new ground will be no better than the old one.
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Post by davec on Feb 15, 2023 11:44:18 GMT
If the division we played in was filled with Dulwich Hamlets i would enjoy the games every week unlike all the buying tickets online bollocks and the segregated crowds.
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Post by holysmokes66 on Feb 15, 2023 14:07:55 GMT
Dulwich lost again last night - 6 points from a possible 30 over their last 10 games and only 6 points above the relegation zone with many teams below them having games in hand. Genuine question: why are they such consistent under-performers? With their sizeable crowds, decent facilities, catchment area, media profile (incl. a recent BBC documentary), etc surely they should be National League mainstays or at least pushing on for play offs each year? What am I missing? They, from the outside, seem to be a well run club but everything points to them getting things wrong almost year on year. They were, for my money, the worst side to visit the Gallagher last season by some distance. Maybe lefties just don’t make for good football business. Promotion to the National League would be worse for Dulwich than it was for us. They don’t have the stadium for their own fans, never mind segregating away fans. And the new ground will be no better than the old one. They could definitely segregate and if they shifted one of the what... 5 hipster food stalls they have, they could definitely make it work in there in the short term. Still doesn't really explain why they have everything going for them bar results in the National South? They're just an odd, albeit really likeable club - I'd love to know their season ticket numbers year on year. They get 2,000+ most weeks (or certainly did the last time I looked) but brought about 10 people when they played us away. It's almost like it's the football club for people who only have a passing interest in football...
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Post by jdl on Feb 15, 2023 14:19:34 GMT
Maybe lefties just don’t make for good football business. Promotion to the National League would be worse for Dulwich than it was for us. They don’t have the stadium for their own fans, never mind segregating away fans. And the new ground will be no better than the old one. They could definitely segregate and if they shifted one of the what... 5 hipster food stalls they have, they could definitely make it work in there in the short term. Still doesn't really explain why they have everything going for them bar results in the National South? They're just an odd, albeit really likeable club - I'd love to know their season ticket numbers year on year. They get 2,000+ most weeks (or certainly did the last time I looked) but brought about 10 people when they played us away. It's almost like it's the football club for people who only have a passing interest in football... It's more like a social club/political association/hip place to belong, than a football club. That's why we like them so much, but it's also why they don't do so well now they're out of the Isthmian - that was their natural home. Having said all that, I really admire the way they've overcome all the shit they've had to deal with over the years.
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Post by holysmokes66 on Feb 15, 2023 15:53:44 GMT
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Post by sword65 on Feb 15, 2023 19:36:20 GMT
Maybe lefties just don’t make for good football business. Promotion to the National League would be worse for Dulwich than it was for us. They don’t have the stadium for their own fans, never mind segregating away fans. And the new ground will be no better than the old one. They could definitely segregate and if they shifted one of the what... 5 hipster food stalls they have, they could definitely make it work in there in the short term. Still doesn't really explain why they have everything going for them bar results in the National South? They're just an odd, albeit really likeable club - I'd love to know their season ticket numbers year on year. They get 2,000+ most weeks (or certainly did the last time I looked) but brought about 10 people when they played us away. It's almost like it's the football club for people who only have a passing interest in football... It's London's unofficial gay club and acts as meeting place for men and women of such persuasions. This is a very sensible delve into a growing market which a lot of clubs laugh at but all the time Dulwich are getting 3000 and those laughing are getting 400 I don't think Dulwich will care to much.
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Post by jdl on Feb 16, 2023 2:36:20 GMT
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Post by holysmokes66 on Feb 19, 2023 16:33:48 GMT
3,194 people at Dulwich to see them lose yet again! Odusanya played 81 minutes and ex-stone Johl Powell and George Porter also featured.
They're 2nd from bottom in the form charts; 4 points from a possible 30 in their last 10 games. Also conceded the most goals so far this season.
#AreYouMaidstoneInDisguise?
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Post by sword65 on Feb 19, 2023 18:23:36 GMT
3,194 people at Dulwich to see them lose yet again! Odusanya played 81 minutes and ex-stone Johl Powell and George Porter also featured. They're 2nd from bottom in the form charts; 4 points from a possible 30 in their last 10 games. Also conceded the most goals so far this season. #AreYouMaidstoneInDisguise? And Gavin Rose laughing his nuts off.
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Post by pinkpanther on Feb 20, 2023 16:55:04 GMT
3,194 people at Dulwich to see them lose yet again! Odusanya played 81 minutes and ex-stone Johl Powell and George Porter also featured. They're 2nd from bottom in the form charts; 4 points from a possible 30 in their last 10 games. Also conceded the most goals so far this season. #AreYouMaidstoneInDisguise? And Gavin Rose laughing his nuts off. Rose may or may not be laughing, but he hit a glass ceiling at National South level and we'd be no better off in the long term for keeping him. His strength is coaching younger, more impressionable, players and instilling the right qualities of discipline and self-respect. His forte is probably an academy director role at a Football League club. He seems to fall out with too many of the seasoned veterans who go through the motions to earn £400-£500 a week at National League level. He's the opposite of Steve King, who always seems able to coax 75 points out of a half-decent budget, yet still fails in the play-offs. Despite the current slump, Hamlet are three places higher than when he departed. His final match was a 3-1 hammering at at Tonbridge (could easily have been 5 or 6) that was more painful to watch than anything that's happened since. In their last 8 seasons at Isthmian League level Hamlet were promoted twice, lost the play-off final four times, the semi-final once, and missed the play-offs by a single point once. In 4 seasons at National South level we never won as many games as we lost. All good things come to an end. Johl Powell has been superb, he's been the best player at Dulwich since Jayden Clarke signed for Gillingham, and he'll probably be playing at a higher level next season. I'd like to keep Dominic Odusanya for the rest of the season if possible. New manager Paul Barnes has made decent signings and seems to have a clear strategy, whereas Rose seemed to chop and change too readily when things didn't go well and lost sight of what worked in the first place.
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Post by pwoodstone on Feb 20, 2023 19:11:59 GMT
And Gavin Rose laughing his nuts off. Rose may or may not be laughing, but he hit a glass ceiling at National South level and we'd be no better off in the long term for keeping him. His strength is coaching younger, more impressionable, players and instilling the right qualities of discipline and self-respect. His forte is probably an academy director role at a Football League club. He seems to fall out with too many of the seasoned veterans who go through the motions to earn £400-£500 a week at National League level. He's the opposite of Steve King, who always seems able to coax 75 points out of a half-decent budget, yet still fails in the play-offs. Despite the current slump, Hamlet are three places higher than when he departed. His final match was a 3-1 hammering at at Tonbridge (could easily have been 5 or 6) that was more painful to watch than anything that's happened since. In their last 8 seasons at Isthmian League level Hamlet were promoted twice, lost the play-off final four times, the semi-final once, and missed the play-offs by a single point once. In 4 seasons at National South level we never won as many games as we lost. All good things come to an end. Johl Powell has been superb, he's been the best player at Dulwich since Jayden Clarke signed for Gillingham, and he'll probably be playing at a higher level next season. I'd like to keep Dominic Odusanya for the rest of the season if possible. New manager Paul Barnes has made decent signings and seems to have a clear strategy, whereas Rose seemed to chop and change too readily when things didn't go well and lost sight of what worked in the first place. Was never gonna be an easy job to follow Gavin Rose.
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Post by pinkpanther on Feb 21, 2023 11:44:59 GMT
Rose may or may not be laughing, but he hit a glass ceiling at National South level and we'd be no better off in the long term for keeping him. His strength is coaching younger, more impressionable, players and instilling the right qualities of discipline and self-respect. His forte is probably an academy director role at a Football League club. He seems to fall out with too many of the seasoned veterans who go through the motions to earn £400-£500 a week at National League level. He's the opposite of Steve King, who always seems able to coax 75 points out of a half-decent budget, yet still fails in the play-offs. Despite the current slump, Hamlet are three places higher than when he departed. His final match was a 3-1 hammering at at Tonbridge (could easily have been 5 or 6) that was more painful to watch than anything that's happened since. In their last 8 seasons at Isthmian League level Hamlet were promoted twice, lost the play-off final four times, the semi-final once, and missed the play-offs by a single point once. In 4 seasons at National South level we never won as many games as we lost. All good things come to an end. Johl Powell has been superb, he's been the best player at Dulwich since Jayden Clarke signed for Gillingham, and he'll probably be playing at a higher level next season. I'd like to keep Dominic Odusanya for the rest of the season if possible. New manager Paul Barnes has made decent signings and seems to have a clear strategy, whereas Rose seemed to chop and change too readily when things didn't go well and lost sight of what worked in the first place. Was never gonna be an easy job to follow Gavin Rose. It would have been a lot easier if the change had been made at the end of last season, instead of allowing Rose to prepare for another season and recruit a squad of 20 players signed under contract, then firing him after 5 weeks. Three senior players (Josh Hill, Kalvin Kalala, James Comley) were injured by the time Rose departed and have barely featured since, so that's about 15% of the budget wasted for a start. I suspect there are factors concerning the departure of Rose that haven't been made public. It doesn't help that he ran the academy teams and we've now lost the link with those, so there is literally no playing infrastructure below the first team and we can't even make up the numbers on the bench with youth team players when people are injured or suspended. We're having to plug gaps with loan signings and non-contract Isthmian League players on dual registration.
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Post by Bernie on Feb 23, 2023 19:32:57 GMT
First prediction for NLS next season.
Maidstone Havant Oxford Worthing Braintree Chelmsford St Albans Farnborough Eastbourne Taunton Slough Dulwich Tonbridge Bath Welling Hemel Dover Hampton Chippenham Bishops Stortford Hornchurch Weston-super-Mare Truro Torquay
Would prefer to not play either Dartford or Gravesend.
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Post by sword65 on Feb 23, 2023 20:01:44 GMT
First prediction for NLS next season. Maidstone Havant Oxford Worthing Braintree Chelmsford St Albans Farnborough Eastbourne Taunton Slough Dulwich Tonbridge Bath Welling Hemel Dover Hampton Chippenham Bishops Stortford Hornchurch Weston-super-Mare Truro Torquay Would prefer to not play either Dartford or Gravesend. Interesting,Hmmm!
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Post by Raymondo316 on Feb 23, 2023 20:28:54 GMT
If Torquay gets relegated they certainly won't be finishing bottom of the National South, also there's a good chance Yeovil or Dorking will be in the NLS next season as well.
Any/all of them teams will be challenging at the top.
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