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Post by Nick 2 on Sept 19, 2019 20:22:51 GMT
If there was a second referrendum which had the same result would remainers accept the result ?
I believe the answer is NO
If there was a second referrendum which resulted in a remain win would the leavers accept the result ?
I believe the answer is NO
So what is the point of a second vote as whatever the result the public is split
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Post by Nick on Sept 19, 2019 20:30:44 GMT
If you think there is no point to a second referendum because all it serves is to devide opinion, then there was no point to the first referendum as all it has done is to devide opinion and so on and so forth ad-nauseum
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Post by daveu on Sept 19, 2019 21:14:28 GMT
If there was a second referrendum which had the same result would remainers accept the result ? I believe the answer is NO If there was a second referrendum which resulted in a remain win would the leavers accept the result ? I believe the answer is NO So what is the point of a second vote as whatever the result the public is split I think you're wrong on point one. If the result came out the same most of us would accept it. If it came out the other way there's no way brexiteers would accept it. Just like there was no way they'd have accepted it the first time if it hadn't come out how they wanted.
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Post by ade on Sept 19, 2019 21:28:57 GMT
What the Government, Conservatives and Brexit party have not understood, is that people do change their mind. They are entitled to change their mind otherwise what is the point of General Elections, where the opposition parties try to change voters mind.
I know plenty of leave voters who have changed their minds due to further information being available.
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Post by sword65 on Sept 19, 2019 22:24:53 GMT
If there was a second referrendum which had the same result would remainers accept the result ? I believe the answer is NO If there was a second referrendum which resulted in a remain win would the leavers accept the result ? I believe the answer is NO So what is the point of a second vote as whatever the result the public is split I think you're wrong on point one. If the result came out the same most of us would accept it. If it came out the other way there's no way brexiteers would accept it. Just like there was no way they'd have accepted it the first time if it hadn't come out how they wanted. No you are wrong if you had won I would not have liked it but I would have accepted it so why can't you?
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Post by 61666 on Sept 20, 2019 5:50:08 GMT
The simple answer to that is to read Ade's post above. Plus the fact that Brexit is not the so called simple yes/no arguement Cameron gave us. Hence, if the question is flawed, it needs asking again. That is something both sides need to think about and anyone who voted Leave and thinks they won has not been looking at the bigger picture since then.
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Post by daveu on Sept 20, 2019 7:59:56 GMT
I think you're wrong on point one. If the result came out the same most of us would accept it. If it came out the other way there's no way brexiteers would accept it. Just like there was no way they'd have accepted it the first time if it hadn't come out how they wanted. No you are wrong if you had won I would not have liked it but I would have accepted it so why can't you? I've already explained on numerous occasions, I would have accepted Brexit with some kind of trade deal, but just crashing out with no deal wasn't what the vast majority of people voted for, and I will never accept Boris riding roughshod over all democratic principles to force through a no deal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 8:10:42 GMT
Surely a General Election will do the job of a referendum. The Lib Dems unambiguously anti-Brexit; Conservative Brexit. I can't see why anyone would vote for any other party - Brexit Part irrelevant; Labour Party for people who used to go on CND marches; Green Party for vegan cyclists.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 10:22:54 GMT
Surely a General Election will do the job of a referendum. The Lib Dems unambiguously anti-Brexit; Conservative Brexit. I can't see why anyone would vote for any other party - Brexit Part irrelevant; Labour Party for people who used to go on CND marches; Green Party for vegan cyclists. The problem with this is which ever party wins will we will be stuck with for 5 years while also claiming a mandate for all the other stuff in their manifesto which most, if voting simply on Brexit, will be ignorant off and possibly very much against. Imagine all the usual Tory attacks on the poor voted for by the poor because they want Brexit
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 10:40:53 GMT
You're right, rarely will an election have been so dominated by one issue. Do the poor all vote leave then? I'd never thought about the EU as a middle-class conspiracy. Nearly choked on my caviar.
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Post by sword65 on Sept 20, 2019 11:09:46 GMT
No you are wrong if you had won I would not have liked it but I would have accepted it so why can't you? I've already explained on numerous occasions, I would have accepted Brexit with some kind of trade deal, but just crashing out with no deal wasn't what the vast majority of people voted for, and I will never accept Boris riding roughshod over all democratic principles to force through a no deal. You will have to excuse my memory it's as fucked as the rest of me,I couldnt remember the name of my doctor yesterday and I have seen him about 30 times.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Sept 20, 2019 11:21:30 GMT
I've already explained on numerous occasions, I would have accepted Brexit with some kind of trade deal, but just crashing out with no deal wasn't what the vast majority of people voted for, and I will never accept Boris riding roughshod over all democratic principles to force through a no deal. You will have to excuse my memory it's as fucked as the rest of me,I couldnt remember the name of my doctor yesterday and I have seen him about 30 times. That's hysterical. So, Remain MP's who constantly refused to agree to a deal for three years weren't riding roughshod over all democratic principles to filibuster the public vote to leave? Pots and kettles abound in the madness that abounds.
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Post by daveu on Sept 20, 2019 11:27:59 GMT
You will have to excuse my memory it's as fucked as the rest of me,I couldnt remember the name of my doctor yesterday and I have seen him about 30 times. That's hysterical. So, Remain MP's who constantly refused to agree to a deal for three years weren't riding roughshod over all democratic principles to filibuster the public vote to leave? Pots and kettles abound in the madness that abounds. MP's voting against something is somewhat of a different kettle of fish to one man shutting down parliament to further his own lust for power. Not only that, most conservatives who voted against the deal were doing so on Boris's say so. If he'd supported May's deal, most of the rest would have gone along with it and we'd already be out of the EU. You still don't seem to be able to grasp that everything Boris does is to enhance his own position. He was never an ideological leaver. If he thought staying in was his best route to power, that would have been the path he followed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 12:13:18 GMT
You're right, rarely will an election have been so dominated by one issue. Do the poor all vote leave then? I'd never thought about the EU as a middle-class conspiracy. Nearly choked on my caviar. No but you can imagine depressed areas voting again to leave as they did in the referendum
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Post by headstone on Sept 20, 2019 13:48:04 GMT
Well I'm depressed at the rampant hypocrisy of many of our politicians. Which is why I admire Rory Stewart, even though he's a remainer. But Remainer Cameron's memoirs (which I haven't read, and never will, but a journalist has given me the gist in today's Telegraph) explain how impossible it was to negotiate within the EU, who didn't understand our system of government. When he vetoed a vote on behalf of Britain, the EU changed the rules so our veto wouldn't count. There was one constant though - the Germans always got what they wanted!
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