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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 16:43:19 GMT
It sounds like you are thinking Woking is a league game. Its not it's first round of the FA trophy... I agree with everything else you say though. I don't think it would be that unfortunate in the league below (of course it would be very disheartening but it happens and wouldn't be the end of the world). We might win a few more games and ppl might cheer up quite a lot.. we clearly weren't ready for this league but Jay is now a victim of his own success because of it. Everyone says we weren’t ready which is complete bullshit. We had the investment and resources to compete from the start. But over the past three seasons and particularly now Casey and Ash have been a bit naive in some of the ‘footballing’ decisions in my opinion. Exactly. Really don't get this constant we weren't/aren't ready for this league. This is a team who even when terrible gets crowds of over 2000, makes a lot of money from renting out our pitch, money from renting out the clubhouse etc etc....yet we can't even ''compete'' with teams like Solihull and Gateshead?? I'd bet there are countless others who would love to get our crowds and pitch revenue, yet they don't struggle like us. We ain't skint little Maidstone like people think we are. If Jay had gone in the summer (like he should of) and the club had actually appointed a proper manager this club wouldn't currently be seen as a joke like it is by the rest of this league. |
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Post by mrplow on Dec 9, 2018 16:48:58 GMT
I think we’re be relegated, I think there’s been too many poor decisions from the top in regards to managers, they should of got rid of JS at the end of last and gone all out to get that manager the club and the supporters derserved over the summer.
JS did a good enough job up until then to consolidate (in a way) but had we not had a good start in 17/18 we would of been relegated hands down.
Woking lost GH at the end of 16/17 and appointed an under 23 novice and were relegated after 6 seasons in the conference.
Wheeler appointment was always risky but what I’m surprised about is his style of play even for a 30 year old. This is down to lack of experience, most of the supporters who’ve watched us in this league for the past 3 years will even tell you need more than that. Even Kinnears Dover and Paul Cox Barrow played with great width, got the ball to the by line and got it in the box, it isn’t hard!
Maybe Casey didn’t go enough research on his candidates?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 17:02:36 GMT
Surely the problem was the lack of candidates that fulfilled Bill's criteria. So we ended up with Harry because there was no-one better qualified. Actually, there's another Harry coming out of the jungle tonight who might fit the bill...!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 17:08:28 GMT
Surely the problem was the lack of candidates that fulfilled Bill's criteria. So we ended up with Harry because there was no-one better qualified. Actually, there's another Harry coming out of the jungle tonight who might fit the bill...! No - and thrice no!! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 17:13:46 GMT
Let’s look at Dover and Dagenham at the start of the season. Dover had a terrible start and employed an experienced manager, I assume with who he has brought in they are no longer flush with cash and that experiance has turned losses into wins! Dagenham were stripped to the bones, but again hired an experienced manager who has turned them around. We have hired inexperience and increased our player budget, but the drop continues. The gamble has not paid off. Harry is “Not” growing with the limited experiance he is getting! He is hammering that square peg in a round whole week in week out! Did Bill and Ricky win all there games this way? Genuine question!! They were playing in the IP, against teams like Margate - and even then only just won 1st place against a team who had lost their ground. The NL is a whole different experience. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 17:14:15 GMT
Everyone says we weren’t ready which is complete bullshit. We had the investment and resources to compete from the start. But over the past three seasons and particularly now Casey and Ash have been a bit naive in some of the ‘footballing’ decisions in my opinion. Exactly. Really don't get this constant we weren't/aren't ready for this league. This is a team who even when terrible gets crowds of over 2000, makes a lot of money from renting out our pitch, money from renting out the clubhouse etc etc....yet we can't even ''compete'' with teams like Solihull and Gateshead?? I'd bet there are countless others who would love to get our crowds and pitch revenue, yet they don't struggle like us. We ain't skint little Maidstone like people think we are. If Jay had gone in the summer (like he should of) and the club had actually appointed a proper manager this club wouldn't currently be seen as a joke like it is by the rest of this league. Not skint? When as a club we owe Terry and Oliver something like £3 million, or do you think they built us a ground + extensions for free? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 17:16:15 GMT
Exactly. Really don't get this constant we weren't/aren't ready for this league. This is a team who even when terrible gets crowds of over 2000, makes a lot of money from renting out our pitch, money from renting out the clubhouse etc etc....yet we can't even ''compete'' with teams like Solihull and Gateshead?? I'd bet there are countless others who would love to get our crowds and pitch revenue, yet they don't struggle like us. We ain't skint little Maidstone like people think we are. If Jay had gone in the summer (like he should of) and the club had actually appointed a proper manager this club wouldn't currently be seen as a joke like it is by the rest of this league. Not skint? When as a club we owe Terry and Oliver something like £3 million, or do you think they built us a ground + extensions for free? Effectively, they did. They were fans who wanted to own their own club. That's what it costs. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 17:20:01 GMT
Not skint? When as a club we owe Terry and Oliver something like £3 million, or do you think they built us a ground + extensions for free? Effectively, they did. They were fans who wanted to own their own club. That's what it costs. Really? Then why are we so holier than thou about clubs like Billerricay, Ebbsfleet, and Dover. If what you say is true, we're no different. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 17:23:00 GMT
Exactly. Really don't get this constant we weren't/aren't ready for this league. This is a team who even when terrible gets crowds of over 2000, makes a lot of money from renting out our pitch, money from renting out the clubhouse etc etc....yet we can't even ''compete'' with teams like Solihull and Gateshead?? I'd bet there are countless others who would love to get our crowds and pitch revenue, yet they don't struggle like us. We ain't skint little Maidstone like people think we are. If Jay had gone in the summer (like he should of) and the club had actually appointed a proper manager this club wouldn't currently be seen as a joke like it is by the rest of this league. Not skint? When as a club we owe Terry and Oliver something like £3 million, or do you think they built us a ground + extensions for free? We may owe it but they ain't demanding the money straight away are they? also that 3 million spend on the ground was over 6 years ago now....the fee could be quite a bit lower now and for all we know the owners might just be waiting for the future to get the money back when they sell the club or even just write that cost off?? We just don't know, but we sure as hell ain't a basket case club losing loads of money or a club struggling to get by with no money. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 17:28:06 GMT
Effectively, they did. They were fans who wanted to own their own club. That's what it costs. Really? Then why are we so holier than thou about clubs like Billerricay, Ebbsfleet, and Dover. If what you say is true, we're no different. What?! I've posted on exactly those lines several times on here! The only difference with us was that T&O paid for the infrastructure, not the running costs - once set up, the idea was that the club should be self-sustaining. The one thing they wouldn't do is to start 'investing' in the playing squad. That worked fine up to NS, but simply doesn't work at NL level. We either find a miracle manager who can get us up to EFL without O&T constantly putting their hands in their pockets (and then hopefully the TV money and bigger crowds keep us there), or we find the mythical local 'investor', who can pump money into the team - or we just accept that T&O's business model doesn't work at NL level. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 18:49:45 GMT
What Terry and Oliver have done for this club is magnificent and do not forget we were just hours away from being sentenced to death for the second time. The ground is wonderful and in years to come will be a first class sporting establishment that everyone can be proud of. They have made decisions that not all agree with 3G for example,a decision that has brought untold riches to the club and they have made us into a club that is generally well respected across the length and breadth of the country. Virtually all of this has been made possible from the money out of their own pockets but I am afraid the one decision that they have got totally wrong could end up undoing all of the good work and may end up costing them £1000's. What ever possessed you to hire Harry?
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Post by stonesforlife on Dec 9, 2018 18:52:26 GMT
A certain Darryl mcmahon is out of a job, ebbsfeet played nice football under him, I hope harry can turn it around, long way to go, doesn't look good though, 10 plus wins needed, can't see it myself
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Post by steveh21 on Dec 9, 2018 19:13:29 GMT
Effectively, they did. They were fans who wanted to own their own club. That's what it costs. Really? Then why are we so holier than thou about clubs like Billerricay, Ebbsfleet, and Dover. If what you say is true, we're no different. We are very different. We have a sustainable business model...good crowds (revenue)..other income (3g). Dover had fewer than 1000 yesterday and are full-time. When Jim leaves ....oh dear |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 19:16:33 GMT
Not skint? When as a club we owe Terry and Oliver something like £3 million, or do you think they built us a ground + extensions for free? We may owe it but they ain't demanding the money straight away are they? also that 3 million spend on the ground was over 6 years ago now....the fee could be quite a bit lower now and for all we know the owners might just be waiting for the future to get the money back when they sell the club or even just write that cost off?? We just don't know, but we sure as hell ain't a basket case club losing loads of money or a club struggling to get by with no money. But we are, or at least have been, a club with a limited playing budget. That seems to not be the case anymore for all the good it's done so far. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 19:19:42 GMT
A certain Darryl mcmahon is out of a job, ebbsfeet played nice football under him, I hope harry can turn it around, long way to go, doesn't look good though, 10 plus wins needed, can't see it myself If he wasn't good enough for Ebbsfleet why would he be any better for us. It would be the equivalent of bringing Jay back. |
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