#Wheelerout

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I appreciate the sentiment with regard to the current situation and performances, however, I cannot see that it would be financially astute to sack HW. Better to go with the flow, and see if he can get the current squad to gel, and become a winning team.

If HW and his entourage went, the Stones would have to settle contracts, and they might loose a good percentage of the players that he has brought in, some of which seem to be following him around to a degree.

Should this situation arise, it will mean advertising for a new Manager to meet certain criteria, including experience of NL or higher (which does not seem to have been exactly successful after Jay left "by mutual agreement"), forming a new team, and getting them to gel as a winning force in the few months remaining of this season. In addition, by the time a new Manager is appointed, access to good quality loan, and released players will be very limited, as by that time most of them will already be settled at other clubs.

Seems to me that sticking with HW is the better looking gamble as we approach the end of 2018.

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Woking next week is a massive game. Woking are playing well at the moment but I feel if we can’t beat them then we have no chance in beating many teams in our league and get enough points to stay up. Jay struggled in this league but once he left everyone could see we needed someone with experience but instead we went with someone who had less experience than Jay. It is so hard to be positive at the mo. It’s so depressing watching us hoof the ball forward all the time. If we scored from doing that then fair enough but we have been doing that all season and we just don’t score. I can’t see Harry being released until the end of the season when his contract expired so the owners don’t have to pay off their contracts. Unfortunately then we might be in the conference south. Who then do you get in as manager and who would want the job?

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These two posts sum up the 'damned if we do, damned if we don't' situation the club is now in. Do the owners stick with Harry and risk going down? Or do they say, 'this isn't working and we need to try again, before relegation is inevitable?'
If it was my money, I'd be saying 'beat Gateshead, or it is time to go'.

[pieman1982]

Two things stick out for me in Harry’s post match interview.

1, He said Warner had a great game, but basically blamed him for the loss!
2, if the team gave everything then the tactics were off!

It clearly a management issue!

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Harry has done well recruiting a stronger group of players and at the same time improved fitness levels.
But his defensive mindset and obsession with hoofball is letting everybody down.
The cast is set and the team is very much of Harry's creation.
Any thoughts of appointing a 3rd manager within the same season would be a desperate act of folly.
Damned if we do and damned if we don't is a fair enough take on the club's position.
Quality players and crap football is an unholy mix but that is where Harry's regime has taken the club.
Performances and results are no better than when Jay Saunders departed and yet the the squad and management team are both stronger.
Can it get better ? Well it must do if the club is to survive in the National League.
Do we stick with Harry ?
His off the pitch performance has been excellent.
His on the pitch performance has been dismal.
In Harry we trust ?
Not exactly, but the owners have invested heavily in the management team and playing squad and deserve better outcomes than what we have at present.
Supporters will carry on backing the team 100% and that should include the manager and assistants for the rest of the season.
We are all in this mess together and together we will get out of it, hopefully sooner rather than later.

[porkystone]

Dec 9, 2018 8:13:30 GMT nick said:

Harry has done well recruiting a stronger group of players and at the same time improved fitness levels.
But his defensive mindset and obsession with hoofball is letting everybody down.
The cast is set and the team is very much of Harry's creation.
Any thoughts of appointing a 3rd manager within the same season would be a desperate act of folly.
Damned if we do and damned if we don't is a fair enough take on the club's position.
Quality players and crap football is an unholy mix but that is where Harry's regime has taken the club.
Performances and results are no better than when Jay Saunders departed and yet the the squad and management team are both stronger.
Can it get better ? Well it must do if the club is to survive in the National League.
Do we stick with Harry ?
His off the pitch performance has been excellent.
His on the pitch performance has been dismal.
In Harry we trust ?
Not exactly, but the owners have invested heavily in the management team and playing squad and deserve better outcomes than what we have at present.
Supporters will carry on backing the team 100% and that should include the manager and assistants for the rest of the season.
We are all in this mess together and together we will get out of it, hopefully sooner rather than later.

100 % top post + agree totally. Could the return of a fired up Blair early next year bring a glorious end to the season ?

Love the fact that we have become an angry and physical team under Harry, no ' southern Drury Lane strollers ' anymore. Mind you, knarled & grizzly centre backs delivering on field bollockings to younger players isn't necessarily the thing, maybe it is ?

[HartleyHare]

Dec 9, 2018 7:41:11 GMT pieman1982 said:

Two things stick out for me in Harry’s post match interview.

1, He said Warner had a great game, but basically blamed him for the loss!
2, if the team gave everything then the tactics were off!

It clearly a management issue!

I’ve not seen/heard the interview with Harry but anyone else noticed he’s usually quick to blame the players (or in this case, one single player) ?  He’s done that several times now - started weeks back when he blamed the players as a group for “not listening to his instructions” .... it’s particularly poor management to blame one individual player though (ie Worner for yesterday), achieves nothing except damaging that players confidence and probably that of others too as they will then think perhaps they could be next to be blamed.   It’s never quite Harry’s fault, is it ?  

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If you only get taught how to play long ball football when undertaking your coaching badges then I think I may give it a go. Can’t be that hard to tell a goalkeeper or defender to kick it long to the smallest striker in our team. Seems easy. Now I just need to learn how to talk bull s*** into being able to get a good managers job.

[dan]

I'm not Harry out yet... but there is one man perfect for the job unemployed right now. Mark Yates. Worked miracles with Solihull last year and they've carried on that momentum this season. Even if it is a short term solution and we get someone like Daryl McMahon in next season, we need to stay up.

[pieman1982]

Let’s look at Dover and Dagenham at the start of the season.
Dover had a terrible start and employed an experienced manager, I assume with who he has brought in they are no longer flush with cash and that experiance has turned losses into wins!
Dagenham were stripped to the bones, but again hired an experienced manager who has turned them around.

We have hired inexperience and increased our player budget, but the drop continues.
The gamble has not paid off.
Harry is “Not” growing with the limited experiance he is getting! He is hammering that square peg in a round whole week in week out!
Did Bill and Ricky win all there games this way? Genuine question!!

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Dec 9, 2018 7:13:27 GMT rockstar said:

Woking next week is a massive game. Woking are playing well at the moment but I feel if we can’t beat them then we have no chance in beating many teams in our league and get enough points to stay up. Jay struggled in this league but once he left everyone could see we needed someone with experience but instead we went with someone who had less experience than Jay. It is so hard to be positive at the mo. It’s so depressing watching us hoof the ball forward all the time. If we scored from doing that then fair enough but we have been doing that all season and we just don’t score. I can’t see Harry being released until the end of the season when his contract expired so the owners don’t have to pay off their contracts. Unfortunately then we might be in the conference south. Who then do you get in as manager and who would want the job?

It sounds like you are thinking Woking is a league game. Its not it's first round of the FA trophy... I agree with everything else you say though.

I don't think it would be that unfortunate in the league below (of course it would be very disheartening but it happens and wouldn't be the end of the world). We might win a few more games and ppl might cheer up quite a lot.. we clearly weren't ready for this league but Jay is now a victim of his own success because of it.

[maxthestone]

Dec 9, 2018 10:54:01 GMT dan said:

I'm not Harry out yet... but there is one man perfect for the job unemployed right now. Mark Yates. Worked miracles with Solihull last year and they've carried on that momentum this season. Even if it is a short term solution and we get someone like Daryl McMahon in next season, we need to stay up.

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that is the name we need

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Dec 9, 2018 6:26:42 GMT @61666 said:

We have the players, but what we don't have is a team. If the owners sack Harry now, you'd think anyone new coming in would have a chance, because these players are strong enough and fit enough to cope in this league.
Replacing the manager again after only a few games now looks the only way to avoid relegation, only this time, it must be someone who fits Bill's original person specification. NLP experience or better. That way, the money spent will not have been wasted.
Leave it until January and we go down. Key players will leave and it will be yet another different team required.
Put the man out of his misery and let his legacy be that at least he brought in some decent players, even if he didn't know how to use them.

Spot on, as always.

The owners basically have a choice - pesevere with Harry and hope their investment isn't wasted, or bite the financial bullet now and try to keep us up by getting an experienced NL manager in.

We're exactly halfway through the season now, and second from bottom - we need to bring in someone who can turn Harry's squad into a winning team - ASAP.

How badly do they want to keep us up?

[mrplow]

Dec 9, 2018 10:56:37 GMT meerkat87 said:

Dec 9, 2018 7:13:27 GMT rockstar said:

Woking next week is a massive game. Woking are playing well at the moment but I feel if we can’t beat them then we have no chance in beating many teams in our league and get enough points to stay up. Jay struggled in this league but once he left everyone could see we needed someone with experience but instead we went with someone who had less experience than Jay. It is so hard to be positive at the mo. It’s so depressing watching us hoof the ball forward all the time. If we scored from doing that then fair enough but we have been doing that all season and we just don’t score. I can’t see Harry being released until the end of the season when his contract expired so the owners don’t have to pay off their contracts. Unfortunately then we might be in the conference south. Who then do you get in as manager and who would want the job?

It sounds like you are thinking Woking is a league game. Its not it's first round of the FA trophy... I agree with everything else you say though.

I don't think it would be that unfortunate in the league below (of course it would be very disheartening but it happens and wouldn't be the end of the world). We might win a few more games and ppl might cheer up quite a lot.. we clearly weren't ready for this league but Jay is now a victim of his own success because of it.

Everyone says we weren’t ready which is complete bullshit. We had the investment and resources to compete from the start. But over the past three seasons and particularly now Casey and Ash have been a bit naive in some of the ‘footballing’ decisions in my opinion.

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One golden rule in business "stick with what you know".