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Post by Better things to do in life on Feb 1, 2019 20:59:55 GMT
Surely points deduction or some other punishment must be forthcoming. That will be the least of their worries if they continue not paying the players', and employer's, pension contributions. They'll end up getting a huge fine they clearly cannot afford to pay, from the ombudsman. The players would also be well within their rights to take legal action as the club have effectively stolen their money. I strongly suspect this article, published yesterday, was the straw that broke the camel's back. They must have been fuming reading it www.kentonline.co.uk/gravesend/sport/hill-knows-his-numbers-197913/Makes you grateful for our owners doesn’t it! I can see them with a massive tax bill going bust and down to South East Counties League as Gravesend and Northfleet again. Shame. If they did go that far down though I am sure they’d be back again. |
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Post by moley on Feb 1, 2019 21:04:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 21:31:31 GMT
Yes but it's more complicated than that. It is now compulsory for employers to offer a workplace pension - you can't offer it, take the employees' money and then not pay it in. This is far more than being about compensation for the players. They have broken the law. |
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Post by Better things to do in life on Feb 1, 2019 21:37:04 GMT
Yes but it's more complicated than that. It is now compulsory for employers to offer a workplace pension - you can't offer it, take the employees' money and then not pay it in. This is far more than being about compensation for the players. They have broken the law. Oh dear. This could get very nasty indeed. Wouldn’t wish that on any club even if they are our NL derby rivals! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 21:43:40 GMT
The story breaking makes you doubt the postponement for a frozen pitch as well. Convenient?!
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Post by moley on Feb 1, 2019 21:58:16 GMT
Yes but it's more complicated than that. It is now compulsory for employers to offer a workplace pension - you can't offer it, take the employees' money and then not pay it in. This is far more than being about compensation for the players. They have broken the law. Afraid not, Ebbsfleet appear to have fulfilled the conditions of automatic enrollment, but they are open to accusations of maladministration which is an IDRP and eventually ombudsman matter. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 22:01:17 GMT
Yes but it's more complicated than that. It is now compulsory for employers to offer a workplace pension - you can't offer it, take the employees' money and then not pay it in. This is far more than being about compensation for the players. They have broken the law. This is now more than simple failure to pay pension contributions. Having deducted it from players wages, not making the payments is fraud, not unlike what Robert Maxwell did to mirror group employees back in the 80s. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 1:01:18 GMT
Odd that all these troubles have coincided with them halting their mid-season slump and climbing back up to the edge of the play-offs.
That suggests (to me at least), that either they have a manager so good that he can keep motivation going, despite all these warning signals - or that these stories are perhaps exaggerated?
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Post by stonelacro on Feb 2, 2019 3:08:03 GMT
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Post by steveh21 on Feb 2, 2019 7:15:20 GMT
Who knew we had so many pensions experts among our fan base...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 7:47:59 GMT
Yes but it's more complicated than that. It is now compulsory for employers to offer a workplace pension - you can't offer it, take the employees' money and then not pay it in. This is far more than being about compensation for the players. They have broken the law. This is now more than simple failure to pay pension contributions. Having deducted it from players wages, not making the payments is fraud, not unlike what Robert Maxwell did to mirror group employees back in the 80s. Exactly the point I was trying to make Dave - spot on |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 7:59:03 GMT
Who knew we had so many pensions experts among our fan base... I run my own business Steve, so I do know what I'm talking about. Over the last few years, the government have rolled out the compulsory requirement to offer workplace pensions - they started with bigger companies, and eventually got around to the tiddlers like me (I only have three employees). Even though all of my employees already had their own private pension schemes that I pay contributions towards, I had a legal obligation to start the government-backed scheme and then offer enrolment to them. They could either choose to accept the government approved pension scheme, which would then receive contributions from myself as their employer, or opt out and stick with the pensions they already had. It was their choice and I was, in a legal sense, not allowed to give them any advice on what they should do. For me as an employer it seemed like a right royal waste of time and energy setting it up and administering it because nobody chose to switch from their existing pensions but the law is the law, and so I (with the help of my bookkeeper) had to set it up. It is clear from the players statements that at least some of them have enrolled in the scheme offered by Fleet. Having done so, and having seen a chunk of their wages removed each month as a contribution to that scheme, don't you think they have a reasonable legal right to expect that money to be paid into it? As Dave said it is effectively theft by the club but it is a double crime in the sense that they are breaking the new pension laws by not running the compulsory scheme in a proper manner, and not making the employer or employee contributions they are legally obliged to make, into the scheme. There is absolutely no way they can get away with that indefinitely - sooner or later, action will be taken against them. If you could see all of the blurb I received about what might happen if we did not set up the scheme and run it properly, you would understand. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 8:21:55 GMT
The story breaking makes you doubt the postponement for a frozen pitch as well. Convenient?! What are you suggesting about the integrity of the referee who made the decision? Or Hartlepool? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 9:17:42 GMT
The pitch was frozen yesterday, when Hartlepool were due to travel.
A pitch inspection today, which may or may not prove playable, would have been too late.
Try not to speculate and say things that are basically nonsense.
Our club secretary has already explained fully the reason on our forum.
It had NOTHING to do with any money difficulty reports.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 9:31:14 GMT
Who knew we had so many pensions experts among our fan base... We have a big cohort of pensioners or near pensioners in our fan base. |
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