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Post by gavsec on Aug 11, 2013 18:15:51 GMT
I asked you to move as that came from the board of Directors . There concern was looking after regular supporters and loyal fans and if that meant ask you to move to a safer area where you wouldn't be caught up in the fighting then so be it. You cant comment on the first half because you didn't see what happened in the first half or did you hear what they were planning in the second half . If you did see it then perhaps you would of been more willing to move just for the sake of the second half.. As I stated police were called at half time to take measures.. I don't behind the fact who I am and if you actually know what I do then you will realise that im not muppet . I already said I stand to the right hand side of the stand on match days and will happily continue this conversation further and not behind the keyboard..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 18:20:37 GMT
I wasn't suggesting youre hiding behind a username, just pointing out I wasnt as doing so is a common trait of a "keyboard" warrior. I wasn't once asked to move. Id heard a rumour we weren't allowed into the springfield end, went to check and it seemed this wasnt the case. Be interesting to hear what comes out of the discussions tomorrow
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Post by gavsec on Aug 11, 2013 18:39:25 GMT
my concern is doing what I was told by the board of directors.. I think after yesterdays game they we evaluate the situation and im putting my point across as there seem to be a few people on here that think that were just trained "doorman" . That is true I am but im also trained in event safety and stewarding as well. Just wish people would see the whole picture and not jump the gun on thinking they know what were trained in !
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Post by jt on Aug 11, 2013 18:52:55 GMT
Probably not the right place for this. I have one question for you Ant. Where would you normally watch the game from in the second half?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 19:00:43 GMT
JT, I know what you were hoping for but many on here can vouch that I generally watch both halves from the Springfield end. (Unless I'm in the salmon and red wine suite!)
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Post by Loftus Road Stone. on Aug 11, 2013 19:06:56 GMT
If behaviour of curtain fans is unacceptable then they should be removed from the ground i would expect that to happen at any football ground in the country. But because we were unable to enforce this plan B was to give them freedom of the ground and to move our supporters away from there’s by trying to empty the largest stand in the ground of hundred of Maidstone fans who have caused no trouble and simply wanted a clear view of the game where is the justice in that.
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Post by gavsec on Aug 11, 2013 19:13:53 GMT
Ob1 im not here to argue pal and like hearing peoples comments in order for us to improve things but I wont have people saying security do naff all ( on your case your not saying that ) but when the second half was about to kick off most of the Maidstone fans were down at the town end it was only a handful of Maidstone fans that we got asked to move incase scenes got ugly again. It better that the wealdon fans were in one place so we can easy identify the culprits to give info to the police. That would of proved difficult with some of Maidstone fans in the way. Think people should be able to walk freely but on this occasion it was not good to do so as certain Wealdon fans were out to fight and we didn't want Maidstone fans caught up in it
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Post by jt on Aug 11, 2013 19:49:08 GMT
Not hoping for anything Ant, just asking a question.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 20:15:25 GMT
I think regardless of law abiding or not, right to stand wherever or not, the final word has to come down to club officials etc including stewards. The club is ultimately responsible for spectator safety and have the right to refuse entry / eject spectators and could if they wanted to be heavy handed have ejected anyone intransigent and unwilling to comply with requests. I appreciate if you are an innocent spectator you would feel it unjust and feel hard done by but this was an extreme situation which called for drastic action. Given the means/resources at their disposal the attempt to fully segregate was probably the only safe and realisticly workable option available to the security team available at the time. I think tempers were naturally raised in the second half given the antics of the first for both the security team and the home support and what was a request for the safety of the home support and to avoid further trouble was possibly presented and received more negatively than it otherwise might have been.
Hard for all concerned to have cool heads at the time.
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Post by toonarmy on Aug 11, 2013 20:22:17 GMT
This was hopefully a one off and the club can learn lessons from this debacle, the club are on a steep learning curve and I applaud the fact that they listen to our concerns and in most cases act on them, no doubt changes will be made to how home and away fans are allowed to stand beside each other in these games, but in my humble opinion this should only need to be carried out on a match by match basis and not every game, as the majority of clubs will bring only a handful of supporters, another suggestion which I believe NWS has mentioned would be to section off a small part of the ground at the library end, the away fans would have access to toilets and an exit, unfortunately no bar unless the club reopen the storage shed as a temporary bar, this could be done for those high category teams such as Wealdstone, the security team did their very best with the limited resources they had and instead of picking fault at them some people should look in the mirror and ask themselve the question "what would I do in their shoes" most people wouldn't have a clue.
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Post by nws on Aug 11, 2013 20:41:50 GMT
JT, I know what you were hoping for but many on here can vouch that I generally watch both halves from the Springfield end. (Unless I'm in the salmon and red wine suite!) Strange how you were chatting on about singing songs from the left hand town end at the last game. Can we safely assume that our firm is thus called 'The Ant Boys'?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 20:48:01 GMT
JT, I know what you were hoping for but many on here can vouch that I generally watch both halves from the Springfield end. (Unless I'm in the salmon and red wine suite!) Strange how you were chatting on about singing songs from the left hand town end at the last game. Can we safely assume that our firm is thus called 'The Ant Boys'? NWS the Ant hill Mob - just kidding Ant
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Post by nws on Aug 11, 2013 20:48:09 GMT
This was hopefully a one off and the club can learn lessons from this debacle, the club are on a steep learning curve and I applaud the fact that they listen to our concerns and in most cases act on them, no doubt changes will be made to how home and away fans are allowed to stand beside each other in these games, but in my humble opinion this should only need to be carried out on a match by match basis and not every game, as the majority of clubs will bring only a handful of supporters, another suggestion which I believe NWS has mentioned would be to section off a small part of the ground at the library end, the away fans would have access to toilets and an exit, unfortunately no bar unless the club reopen the storage shed as a temporary bar, this could be done for those high category teams such as Wealdstone, the security team did their very best with the limited resources they had and instead of picking fault at them some people should look in the mirror and ask themselve the question "what would I do in their shoes" most people wouldn't have a clue. I don't think there is a need for a bar. Maybe a burger and tea bar. Their fans are asking that others take responsibility so we should. I don't think beer should be supplied to those that refuse to take responsibility
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Post by nws on Aug 11, 2013 20:51:59 GMT
Strange how you were chatting on about singing songs from the left hand town end at the last game. Can we safely assume that our firm is thus called 'The Ant Boys'? NWS the Ant hill Mob - just kidding Ant Ha ha. Like it. How about The ANTagonistic, ANTi-Wealdstone ANT Hill Mob
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Post by toonarmy on Aug 11, 2013 20:57:05 GMT
This was hopefully a one off and the club can learn lessons from this debacle, the club are on a steep learning curve and I applaud the fact that they listen to our concerns and in most cases act on them, no doubt changes will be made to how home and away fans are allowed to stand beside each other in these games, but in my humble opinion this should only need to be carried out on a match by match basis and not every game, as the majority of clubs will bring only a handful of supporters, another suggestion which I believe NWS has mentioned would be to section off a small part of the ground at the library end, the away fans would have access to toilets and an exit, unfortunately no bar unless the club reopen the storage shed as a temporary bar, this could be done for those high category teams such as Wealdstone, the security team did their very best with the limited resources they had and instead of picking fault at them some people should look in the mirror and ask themselve the question "what would I do in their shoes" most people wouldn't have a clue. I don't think there is a need for a bar. Maybe a burger and tea bar. Their fans are asking that others take responsibility so we should. I don't think beer should be supplied to those that refuse to take responsibility Bloody hell it would be a pretty sober ground in that case, anyway shouldn't you be painting
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