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Post by toonarmy on Aug 10, 2013 20:38:16 GMT
I'll be there, now repeat after me you must change ends at half time, you must change ends at half time, repeat until understood  |
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Post by lunch on Aug 10, 2013 20:59:06 GMT
Change ends at half time if you want to absolutely. If you happen to join the home support, behave like the human race.
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Post by gaggy75 on Aug 10, 2013 21:05:46 GMT
As soon as that nonce with bleach blond hair leapt over the barrier 2 mins before the kickoff i had a funny feeling it was gonna be tetchy, but come on there was no need for what happened. Kids crying and injured completely unnecessary.For a team that has been pushing for promotion for a few seasons i would have expected more! I happened to ask a couple of older supporters from Wealdstone, if they had had a good day and pleasantly they said "yes its been a good game and what a nice place you have here, people are very helpful".
I then said" its a shame about the idiots that kicked off from your side" Ooh no we not like that, no not us definately not" was the reply. Hopefully for the rest of the Wealdstone supporters that were very respectful that the meat heads that scared small children to tears were very satisfied after.Nuff said. Good 1st game of season. Correct result i think. Both teams should have a good term this year
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Post by deano190 on Aug 10, 2013 21:10:21 GMT
I accept that people are free to stand where they like, but as we'll probably discover again at some point, some clubs still have a minority who set out to cause trouble. Those of us who have watched us play Wealdstone before knew that this was likely to happen, and I'm sure it will be no better back at their gaff. Surely a bit of common sense should have prevailed, and we should have left the Wealdstone lot to have a scuffle amongst themselves if they wanted it, rather than getting involved.
Of course no-one can defend their behaviour, but we need to help ourselves. After all, there is a reason there is segregation higher up the football pyramid!
Also, would be nice to everyone getting behind the team at the far end, perhaps we might make the ground a more intimidating atmosphere!
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Post by La femme de Vic Jobson on Aug 10, 2013 21:57:02 GMT
Intimidating might be the wrong choice of word. This probably won't happen again this season as few teams in this division have 'fans' as *special* as this lot.
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Post by daveu on Aug 10, 2013 22:02:39 GMT
Love the way on their forum they're trying to blame our stewards and lack of segregation. If they could control the caveman element of their support there wouldn't be a problem, and if they really think segregation is the answer then they are seriously deluded about the level of football they are playing.
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Post by nws on Aug 10, 2013 22:33:03 GMT
Big shout to Big Dave Razor, you should be very proud of yourself. I am proud to stand next to you. From up in the commentary position I could see Dave calming things down |
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Post by nws on Aug 10, 2013 22:40:42 GMT
Always a difficult issue.Although we like to invite away supporters to join us, the fact remains that, at the start of each match, they are segregated - even on a gate of 300.Effectively, they have to 'earn' our invite - so far, it hasn't happened but, if some away support acted like idiots then we wouldn't ask them again (i.e segregated for future visits).Regardless of the conduct of passionate, but reasonable, supporters, there can be problems if confronted by determined morons.A couple of seasons back we were playing Schiltigheim - their supporters had joined us, and all was fine.Then two idiots (who,it later emerged, had never been to a Calais match in their lives, and were just out for trouble) appeared and started menacing the Schilitgheim fans - one was physically attacked.We didn't wait for the stewards - once we saw what was going on we surrounded the idiots, and restrained them until the stewards arrived.As well as receiving prison terms, for assault, they also have a life ban from our ground.Apologies that I'm not familiar with your ground - would physical separation be possible, and would it require the club to spend considerable funds to bring it about? It would be unfortunate, if this was the case, just because of a small minority.It goes without saying that it also places a major responsibility on the home support not to rise to provocation, or to dismiss unacceptable conduct as 'just the lads'...Self policing can be very effective - at one game there was one away supporter who'd had one too many falling down juices, and started making disparaging comments about Calais.On seeing this, his fellow supporters came over and quietly led him away - with a few rolling eyes, and shakes if the head, in our direction....I may be overly optimistic, or naïve, but I like to think that the overwhelming majority of supporters just want to support their team, without trouble from any side. I don't think the mentality towards football is the same in France as in England. It really is a mob mentality and is the reason why our game has been dogged by problems down the years. There is a general consensus among the ruling classes that the problem has been pretty much solved. Those of us that go to games know this is completely wrong. The other difference with France is that English away fans are not only very fanatical but also travel in bigger numbers. In short there are more idiots and they are more idiotic. I do like the fact that your fans restrained two idiots until the police arrived though. |
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Post by nws on Aug 10, 2013 22:58:46 GMT
Love the way on their forum they're trying to blame our stewards and lack of segregation. If they could control the caveman element of their support there wouldn't be a problem, and if they really think segregation is the answer then they are seriously deluded about the level of football they are playing. While standing at the end you are attacking is the normal 'done' thing in non-league I can also think back to enjoying standing alongside other supporters at the same end. Swamped by Dover fans, a big sing off with Chelmsford, Winchester in the cup and Halesowen in the FA Cup (although that was a little tetchy) are a few that I can remember. If it happens then surely people can enjoy a bit of singing and banter without resorting to punching people. That sort of behaviour is pathetic and is nothing to do with stewarding or where others stand. Controlling your own behaviour is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. Having said that I have heard people remonstrating with Wealdstone officials and saying that we don't have any trouble at Maidstone. Not entirely true. I'm pretty sure that Leatherhead fans did not feel particularly welcome last season and I was told that Burgess Hill fans/players were harrassed after having the temerity to get a draw. There is also the behaviour in Calais which, by all accounts, fell short of acceptable. I really, really, really hope that this isn't what playing back at home and moving up the league is all about. From what I was told the throwing of beer was the catalyst for the problem. Perhaps banning beer on the terrace will be what is required. Who was injured and what happened? |
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Post by wealdstone85 on Aug 10, 2013 23:52:01 GMT
Lets not be in denial about some of your own supporters. Wealdstone have always had a handful who will react to provocation. But There were plenty of broken faces, shaved heads and tattoos amongst your own ranks. Look a bit closer to home before condemning others.
Other than that. Cracking game and atmosphere.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 5:51:33 GMT
What the club should be doing is training its stewards to be able to cope with such situations before they arise.
I've said it before, and I said it to BW yesterday, our current crop of stewards are about as effective as a chocolate teapot; they're great at keeping out of the way and when an incident occurs they are no where to be seen.
Second half yesterday, the 'security' guys were threatening our supporters for not moving out of the Springfield End while completely ignoring the Wealdstone 'fans' who were 'giving it large' while the stewards looked on almost terrified!
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Post by buster on Aug 11, 2013 6:21:21 GMT
Lets not be in denial about some of your own supporters. Wealdstone have always had a handful who will react to provocation. But There were plenty of broken faces, shaved heads and tattoos amongst your own ranks. Look a bit closer to home before condemning others. Other than that. Cracking game and atmosphere. By what you're saying anyone who has a broken face, shaved head and tattoo is a football hooligan? They might have had a hard upbringing for all you know! ;-) In all seriousness it sounds like it was Wealdstone doing the provocating, what is wrong with standing next to other fans and having a bit of banter? Can't handle your drink more like. |
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Post by jt on Aug 11, 2013 6:43:05 GMT
Lets not be in denial about some of your own supporters. Wealdstone have always had a handful who will react to provocation. But There were plenty of broken faces, shaved heads and tattoos amongst your own ranks. Look a bit closer to home before condemning others. Other than that. Cracking game and atmosphere. I think there's a saying about books and covers. To come and make a statement like that is nothing short of coming up with an excuse for someone else's behaviour. I suppose by your own statement that the likes of David Beckham will cause trouble. I also happen to know a chess grand master whose torso is completely covered in tattoos. The chap that draws the nesquick cartoon rabbit for the adverts is covered in AD 2000 artwork and this includes his shaved head. Generalisation gets you nowhere. |
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Post by rollingstone on Aug 11, 2013 9:16:04 GMT
Lets not be in denial about some of your own supporters. Wealdstone have always had a handful who will react to provocation. But There were plenty of broken faces, shaved heads and tattoos amongst your own ranks. Look a bit closer to home before condemning others. Other than that. Cracking game and atmosphere. I have a tattoo, my hair is shortish, I have two scars, one on my neck and one on my face, these were results of getting jumped and mugged by 4 tooled up little drunk teenagers whose idea of a good time was to go around beating people up and putting them in hospital, nothing to do with football, so suddenly in your eyes I change from being a victim of domestic violence to a football hooligan? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 10:58:18 GMT
Surprised so many seem up for the return leg. I'd have thought the behaviour of their fans would have led to calls to boycott it and not give the club any of our hard earned?
Or is that a Sittingbourne exclusive?
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