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Post by jdh80 on Jan 24, 2023 12:05:58 GMT
Jesus Christ boys, I hate facebook, never go there, but it seems you guys live on there and just return here to bitch about the kids over there. You guys need something better to do. I think you need to remember all of the younger fans (under16) were not even at primary school, or only in the first year or 2 when the Gallagher was built. They don't remember anything about Maidstone not playing at home. They only know, the Gallagher. So its no good going on about the old days going to dartford or sittingbourne. It means nothing to them. They only know the Gallagher, and they want a rich owner like what you see on TV. So telling people to F off, and using the C word about them really makes you no better yet you all think you are like royalty compared to them. Give it a rest . The people I quoted were adults, I would not make fun of children.
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Post by jdh80 on Jan 24, 2023 12:09:07 GMT
This is a business negotiation and Terry and Oliver ..and Alan..must treat it as such. I trust them to make the right decision as all of them are successful businessmen. I dont think the deal is dead.. just a few obstacles to overcome. It might not happen for a while but I think something will over the next few months. Re this league.. I love it and would be gutted if were relegated again. This is where a club of our size should be imo. Completely agree need to be in this league and have a few mid table seasons to enable us to build up the ground before we even consider next levels etc.
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Post by Andy on Jan 24, 2023 12:44:49 GMT
One of the problems maybe that Manchett wants the club but not the ground holding company.Manchett wants to progress to the football league and so will need a grass surface,whereas the ground holding company want profits so will want to keep the 3G pitch which makes solid profits every year.So if they are unwilling to give up 3G then what is the point of buying a club that can't progress.As gor the Facebook group, I resigned from the group after the Zouma scandal having received personal threats and abuse from the moronic element of our so called supporters. I am no angel, I know that,but these morons make me look like Mother Theresa. But making an operating profit is not sinful in any sense. What do you think happens to the 'profit' from 3G ? Either the owners trouser it and spend it on excessive personal luxuries to which they are entitled. OR the same owners make sure the revenue goes straight back into the club to help pay for stadium maintenance and support the playing budget. C'mon sword you know what makes most sense.
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Post by Dickie on Jan 24, 2023 12:48:07 GMT
Jesus Christ boys, I hate facebook, never go there, but it seems you guys live on there and just return here to bitch about the kids over there. You guys need something better to do. I think you need to remember all of the younger fans (under16) were not even at primary school, or only in the first year or 2 when the Gallagher was built. They don't remember anything about Maidstone not playing at home. They only know, the Gallagher. So its no good going on about the old days going to dartford or sittingbourne. It means nothing to them. They only know the Gallagher, and they want a rich owner like what you see on TV. So telling people to F off, and using the C word about them really makes you no better yet you all think you are like royalty compared to them. Give it a rest . The people I quoted were adults, I would not make fun of children. I guess you mean adult in terms of the number of years they have clocked up !
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Post by nws on Jan 24, 2023 12:49:01 GMT
So telling people to F off, and using the C word about them really makes you no better yet you all think you are like royalty compared to them. Give it a rest . Brilliant. You couldn't make it up🤣🤣
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Post by Bernie on Jan 24, 2023 12:53:34 GMT
Anyone who thinks there is something wrong with how Maidstone United is run should try supporting Southend or Scunthorpe, who might not even exist at the end of this season. Even if they survive they’re going to be burdened with massive debts for years. The worst that can happen to us is relegation into a league we can dominate.
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Post by daveu on Jan 24, 2023 14:03:35 GMT
Jesus Christ boys, I hate facebook, never go there, but it seems you guys live on there and just return here to bitch about the kids over there. You guys need something better to do. I think you need to remember all of the younger fans (under16) were not even at primary school, or only in the first year or 2 when the Gallagher was built. They don't remember anything about Maidstone not playing at home. They only know, the Gallagher. So its no good going on about the old days going to dartford or sittingbourne. It means nothing to them. They only know the Gallagher, and they want a rich owner like what you see on TV. So telling people to F off, and using the C word about them really makes you no better yet you all think you are like royalty compared to them. Give it a rest . Some of those people are nearly as old as I am, in fact the only one I replied to used to post on here as ob1 and I certainly didn't tell him to f-off or call him a c***.
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Post by jdl on Jan 24, 2023 14:16:46 GMT
Jesus Christ boys, I hate facebook, never go there, but it seems you guys live on there and just return here to bitch about the kids over there. You guys need something better to do. I think you need to remember all of the younger fans (under16) were not even at primary school, or only in the first year or 2 when the Gallagher was built. They don't remember anything about Maidstone not playing at home. They only know, the Gallagher. So its no good going on about the old days going to dartford or sittingbourne. It means nothing to them. They only know the Gallagher, and they want a rich owner like what you see on TV. So telling people to F off, and using the C word about them really makes you no better yet you all think you are like royalty compared to them. Give it a rest . Some of those people are nearly as old as I am, in fact the only one I replied to used to post on here as ob1 and I certainly didn't tell him to f-off or call him a c***. Ob1 on Facebook? Blimey. Why?? The only time I looked at FB it was a lunatic asylum on drugs!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2023 14:23:09 GMT
One of the problems maybe that Manchett wants the club but not the ground holding company.Manchett wants to progress to the football league and so will need a grass surface,whereas the ground holding company want profits so will want to keep the 3G pitch which makes solid profits every year.So if they are unwilling to give up 3G then what is the point of buying a club that can't progress.As gor the Facebook group, I resigned from the group after the Zouma scandal having received personal threats and abuse from the moronic element of our so called supporters. I am no angel, I know that,but these morons make me look like Mother Theresa. But making an operating profit is not sinful in any sense. What do you think happens to the 'profit' from 3G ? Either the owners trouser it and spend it on excessive personal luxuries to which they are entitled. OR the same owners make sure the revenue goes straight back into the club to help pay for stadium maintenance and support the playing budget. C'mon sword you know what makes most sense. "The owners trouser it" Someone has been watching too many old episodes of Minder, I see. I am sure some of it is used to cover operating costs but as stated in my previous message, anything they 'trouser' is owed to them due to the fact they put millions of their own money into building the stadium. Any suggestion that Oliver and Terry are somehow on the make is laughable. Arthur Daley doesn't run this football club.
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Post by sword65 on Jan 24, 2023 15:33:08 GMT
One of the problems maybe that Manchett wants the club but not the ground holding company.Manchett wants to progress to the football league and so will need a grass surface,whereas the ground holding company want profits so will want to keep the 3G pitch which makes solid profits every year.So if they are unwilling to give up 3G then what is the point of buying a club that can't progress.As gor the Facebook group, I resigned from the group after the Zouma scandal having received personal threats and abuse from the moronic element of our so called supporters. I am no angel, I know that,but these morons make me look like Mother Theresa. But making an operating profit is not sinful in any sense. What do you think happens to the 'profit' from 3G ? Either the owners trouser it and spend it on excessive personal luxuries to which they are entitled. OR the same owners make sure the revenue goes straight back into the club to help pay for stadium maintenance and support the playing budget. C'mon sword you know what makes most sense. I don't give a toss either way as I'm not the one who wants EFL football ,in fact it's the last thing I want but the majority of fans want to get back to the football league and its not gonna happen with 3G. My point is that if Manchett owns the club but not the ground we cannot progress which is why he may have pulled out. If Oliver and Terry still own the ground they are not gonna rip up 3G whilst it's making profit and that profit will not go back to the club because they no longer own it .
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Post by jdl on Jan 24, 2023 19:13:45 GMT
Beyond PL and a few Championship clubs, no one makes money from 'investing' in football. It's done out of love (of football - or oneself) or belief that, somehow, you can be the one that succeeds where everyone else has failed.
Terry and Oliver are successful businessmen, they both knew what they were getting into. They 'invested' in MUFC because they wanted to save the club and bring it back home. To end up with a manager of Jay's ability, three promotions - ending up in the NL after just 4 years, and crowds of 3,000+, must have been beyond their wildest dreams. But I'm sure the most they expected to get back financially was an unlikely return of their 'investment' at some future point (worth considerably less than when they put it in). And, by now, having discovered that there are so very few other people like themselves, they must be resigned to probably never getting all their money back. But that's not what they got into this for.
And, in the meantime, we have a fantastically successful club, a great stadium, right in the town, and a team to be proud of. And what's the worse that can happen - winning the NS every now and again? For those of us who watched our club die 30 years ago, or those who spent all those years in exile, when 'home' was away, 300 was a good crowd and the club was constantly on the brink of collapse, this is a golden age we never expected to experience. If the owners sometimes make mistakes or don't quite do what we (who know little of what's really going on) think they should do, that's of little real consequence compared to what they have actually done.
One day, probably not too far in the future, we will establish ourselves as a regular NL club, where gates of 3,000+ are no longer unusual, and where we can hold our own against even the best sides. Maybe, one day, we'll even have settled into the EFL. But none of that would have happened without Oliver and Terry being happy to risk so much to save the club, and none of it will have happened without the club continuing to be run well in the meantime.
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Post by Bernie on Jan 24, 2023 19:23:57 GMT
Football clubs are like pubs. Easy to buy, but a bugger to sell or make money out of them. Maybe Mr Manchett knows this and is playing hardball. There’s hardly a queue of potential investors. I hope he comes back and takes the plunge. But nobody could blame him for running a mile and keeping his fortune safe.
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Post by jdl on Jan 24, 2023 23:09:46 GMT
Football clubs are like pubs. Easy to buy, but a bugger to sell or make money out of them. Maybe Mr Manchett knows this and is playing hardball. There’s hardly a queue of potential investors. I hope he comes back and takes the plunge. But nobody could blame him for running a mile and keeping his fortune safe. Excellent analogy! But maybe he hasn't got that much money? He's probably worth millions, but has he got it in ready cash? Or would he have financed his 'investment'with a loan? We don't want any of that malarkey.
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Post by jdl on Jan 25, 2023 15:02:31 GMT
Football clubs are like pubs. Easy to buy, but a bugger to sell or make money out of them. Maybe Mr Manchett knows this and is playing hardball. There’s hardly a queue of potential investors. I hope he comes back and takes the plunge. But nobody could blame him for running a mile and keeping his fortune safe. Excellent analogy! But maybe he hasn't got that much money? He's probably worth millions, but has he got it in ready cash? Or would he have financed his 'investment'with a loan? We don't want any of that malarkey. Blimey. No lesser person than JPonComms agrees with me!
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Post by jpark17 on Jan 25, 2023 19:05:22 GMT
Excellent analogy! But maybe he hasn't got that much money? He's probably worth millions, but has he got it in ready cash? Or would he have financed his 'investment'with a loan? We don't want any of that malarkey. Blimey. No lesser person than JPonComms agrees with me! I’m not that disagreeable typically am I Jdl?😅
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