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Post by 61666 on May 6, 2022 16:38:40 GMT
Does football need a 60-minute 'stop-clock'? - www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61342349Really interesting article here. A game lasts 60 minutes, but the clock stops for every interruption. Average actual game time in the premier League this season is actually just 55 minutes and it's been getting shorter each year. West Ham v Brentford in October had just 41 minutes play! Seems it is the same everywhere and adopting the 60 minute rule would instantly scupper all the time wasters, of whom we have met a few ourselves. |
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Post by daveu on May 6, 2022 17:02:03 GMT
Does football need a 60-minute 'stop-clock'? - www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61342349Really interesting article here. A game lasts 60 minutes, but the clock stops for every interruption. Average actual game time in the premier League this season is actually just 55 minutes and it's been getting shorter each year. West Ham v Brentford in October had just 41 minutes play! Seems it is the same everywhere and adopting the 60 minute rule would instantly scupper all the time wasters, of whom we have met a few ourselves. Would only work if you stop the clock for everything, including every time the ball is out of play, and even every time a goalkeeper has the ball in his hands for more than a prescribed period, 6 seconds sounds about right. How many years is it since that rule was last enforced? |
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Post by jdl on May 6, 2022 17:35:58 GMT
Does football need a 60-minute 'stop-clock'? - www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61342349Really interesting article here. A game lasts 60 minutes, but the clock stops for every interruption. Average actual game time in the premier League this season is actually just 55 minutes and it's been getting shorter each year. West Ham v Brentford in October had just 41 minutes play! Seems it is the same everywhere and adopting the 60 minute rule would instantly scupper all the time wasters, of whom we have met a few ourselves. My first reaction was "absolutely not!". But then I read the rest of your post, and started to come round to the idea - especially the 'stopping time wasting' bit! As Dave says, there are difficulties (it might be like VAR - only really possible at the big clubs), but maybe these can be overcome. How do the Americans handle this in their American 'Football' games? They've been doing it for a while, so presumably they've got it sorted out. I'm also coming round to the idea of sin bins - just to muddy the water further! |
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Post by sword65 on May 6, 2022 17:50:01 GMT
No ,just send the time wasters off with a straight red and 3 game ban,same for simulation, straight red and ban. This us the only way to stop it. If the officials miss it then VAR can spot it and issue a posthumous red card .
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Post by 61666 on May 6, 2022 18:09:03 GMT
Would have thought the fourth official could easily handle it? Presumably he/she manages the added time at the end of each half, so have a stop watch and just pause it every time the ball goes out of play, games stops etc. Likewise not hard to pause it if the keeper takes too long releasing the ball.
The fourth official also then blows for half/full time. Let's face it, they don't have that much to do.
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Post by jdl on May 6, 2022 19:03:27 GMT
Would have thought the fourth official could easily handle it? Presumably he/she manages the added time at the end of each half, so have a stop watch and just pause it every time the ball goes out of play, games stops etc. Likewise not hard to pause it if the keeper takes too long releasing the ball. The fourth official also then blows for half/full time. Let's face it, they don't have that much to do. My understanding is that the ref decides on extra time and then tells the 4th official. Who then does their (only?) job and holds up the disco board (although they must do it bloody quickly at some games, because I never see it - and we sit almost opposite the home dugout!). |
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Post by headstone on May 7, 2022 7:35:15 GMT
No ,just send the time wasters off with a straight red and 3 game ban,same for simulation, straight red and ban. This us the only way to stop it. If the officials miss it then VAR can spot it and issue a posthumous red card . Harsh! |
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Post by distantfan on May 7, 2022 8:37:45 GMT
Not a fan of the stop clock for an entire match. Before you know it the games will last hours like in American football.
However, the last five minutes of a game could be done that way. At the 85 minutes mark the officials announce how many added minutes. From 85 mins onwards is stop clock. This will deter - not eliminate - a lot of the time wasting we see. The ref would still be able to order players not to time waste when the clock is stopped and book them if they are. This would prevent stop clock from blowing out unreasonably.
The other anti-timewasting measure I'd like to see is that if any player needs a physio they will get a further 3 mins of medical assessment on the touchline before they are allowed to return. If they are genuinely injured this allow a more thorough assessment. If not, their team-mates will make sure they don't do it again.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2022 8:40:12 GMT
Do it only in the second half of the match
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Post by daveu on May 7, 2022 8:46:14 GMT
Not a fan of the stop clock for an entire match. Before you know it the games will last hours like in American football. However, the last five minutes of a game could be done that way. At the 85 minutes mark the officials announce how many added minutes. From 85 mins onwards is stop clock. This will deter - not eliminate - a lot of the time wasting we see. The ref would still be able to order players not to time waste when the clock is stopped and book them if they are. This would prevent stop clock from blowing out unreasonably. The other anti-timewasting measure I'd like to see is that if any player needs a physio they will get a further 3 mins of medical assessment on the touchline before they are allowed to return. If they are genuinely injured this allow a more thorough assessment. If not, their team-mates will make sure they don't do it again. So you would penalize genuine injuries as well as time wasters. A player can need treatment and still be able to carry on. Why should his team have to play a man short for three minutes. And what if two players are injured, will they have to be down to nine. And what if he can't carry on, do you then have to wait for the next break in play to sub him. Sorry, this seems unworkable to me. |
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Post by medestan on May 7, 2022 9:05:19 GMT
An easy law's to implement again would to take goalkicks from the side of the goal the ball went off from , how many keepers do we see pick the ball up and stroll across the six yard box back and forth to place the ball
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Post by daveu on May 7, 2022 9:19:47 GMT
An easy law's to implement again would to take goalkicks from the side of the goal the ball went off from , how many keepers do we see pick the ball up and stroll across the six yard box back and forth to place the ball And that used to be the case until they introduced a law that it could be taken from anywhere, ironically to reduce time wasting. I think the way around it is that it should be taken from the side the ball is retrieved from. |
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Post by sword65 on May 7, 2022 9:24:18 GMT
No ,just send the time wasters off with a straight red and 3 game ban,same for simulation, straight red and ban. This us the only way to stop it. If the officials miss it then VAR can spot it and issue a posthumous red card . Harsh! No it isn't,time wasting and cheating is ruining the game and what's more is that football coaches the length and breath of the country are actually teaching and encouraging it. I would go one step further by fining and docking points from clubs that cannot control their players actions,it's the only way to eliminate it from the game. |
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Post by jdl on May 7, 2022 13:03:09 GMT
A lot of these things could be solved by the referee just applying existing laws.
Every now and again the FA cracks down on certain things (the goalkeeper 6 seconds rule, for instance) and for a season or two everybody behaves - then things drift again. The rules are there for a reason, and should be applied - all the time.
The ref can easily book players for timewasting, for instance. Remember a season or three ago that player who was subbed and walked slowly off the pitch, shaking everyone's hands? Total piss-take - he even shook the ref's hand! And the ref did... f**k all.
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Post by barmingexile on May 7, 2022 17:49:54 GMT
No it isn't,time wasting and cheating is ruining the game and what's more is that football coaches the length and breath of the country are actually teaching and encouraging it. I would go one step further by fining and docking points from clubs that cannot control their players actions,it's the only way to eliminate it from the game. I'm all in favour of retrospective red cards but posthumous strikes me as a bit medieval. |
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