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Post by jdl on Nov 23, 2020 16:42:19 GMT
Look it up?? Hmmm I too was wondering if we'd have won that game with fans. But I concluded, probably not. Leaving aside the fact that there is no evidence at all that fans have helped us win tight games any more than they have had exactly the opposite effect, there is certainly no guarantee that fans would have been "baying for a winner". They would more likely have been baying for several players' heads. But, bottom line, the 'best team we have seen at JWW in years' was incapapable of beating one of the worst teams seen at JWW in years, and probably would have been if we'd played all night. Why that is when we have such a talented squad and only a few days ago I was praising Hak for getting them to play as a team, is anyone's guess. But, whatever the problem is, it needs sorting out. This really IS the best squad we've had in years and it's our best chance of gettng out of the Southern Premier and back where we belong - we might have to wait years for another chance like this. Don't fúck it up, Stones. Southern Premier? One of the two regional levels immediately under the Conference. Whatever you call it, that's where we are.
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Post by sword65 on Nov 23, 2020 16:53:02 GMT
Southern Premier? One of the two regional levels immediately under the Conference. Whatever you call it, that's where we are. That would be National league South, if we were Southern Premier we would need to get relegated and probably move Maidstone lock,stock and barrel a few miles to be in the right geographical zone, other than that you are 100% correct😁
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Post by Dan on Nov 23, 2020 18:16:26 GMT
Thanks swordy for the translation. I didn't have a clue what JDL was going on about. What's he smoking these days ? Being completely wrong with his facts probably didn't help either !
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Post by jdl on Nov 23, 2020 18:53:38 GMT
One of the two regional levels immediately under the Conference. Whatever you call it, that's where we are. That would be National league South, if we were Southern Premier we would need to get relegated and probably move Maidstone lock,stock and barrel a few miles to be in the right geographical zone, other than that you are 100% correct😁 I am never correct - ask nwhb and Oxford (to name just two!). My point is that, although NLS sounds good, it's actually no different to being in the SP back in the 80s*. We belong at the top of non-league, not the second tier. (*Although I also accept the counter-argument which says that the NL today is actually a much higher standard than the old Conference - or even the old Div 4 - so NLS is probably about the same standard as the old Conference. I still want to be in the top divison though!)
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Post by 61666 on Nov 23, 2020 19:06:16 GMT
Sums up exactly how I felt about the game.
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Post by La femme de Vic Jobson on Nov 23, 2020 20:09:09 GMT
That would be National league South, if we were Southern Premier we would need to get relegated and probably move Maidstone lock,stock and barrel a few miles to be in the right geographical zone, other than that you are 100% correct😁 I am never correct - ask nwhb and Oxford (to name just two!). My point is that, although NLS sounds good, it's actually no different to being in the SP back in the 80s*. We belong at the top of non-league, not the second tier. (*Although I also accept the counter-argument which says that the NL today is actually a much higher standard than the old Conference - or even the old Div 4 - so NLS is probably about the same standard as the old Conference. I still want to be in the top divison though!) Back then there were three feeder leagues not two. Only the champions went up so most of the fixtures were meaningless by March.
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Post by jdh80 on Nov 23, 2020 21:39:26 GMT
That would be National league South, if we were Southern Premier we would need to get relegated and probably move Maidstone lock,stock and barrel a few miles to be in the right geographical zone, other than that you are 100% correct😁 I am never correct - ask nwhb and Oxford (to name just two!). My point is that, although NLS sounds good, it's actually no different to being in the SP back in the 80s*. We belong at the top of non-league, not the second tier. (*Although I also accept the counter-argument which says that the NL today is actually a much higher standard than the old Conference - or even the old Div 4 - so NLS is probably about the same standard as the old Conference. I still want to be in the top divison though!) Can i ask you say that we belong at the top of non league - WHY?? It's like them muppet arsenal and Manchester United fans who think it is their given right to be top four of the premier league. No team deserves to be higher than they currently are, every team is at there current level for a reason: -- to crap at the next level up -- other teams playing much better and more consistently -- sugar daddies have them at a higher level Every team is where they are on merit and just because of their name history it means nothing and their current position is a fair reflection on their current status and is exactly where the team should be.
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Post by jdl on Nov 23, 2020 22:04:31 GMT
I am never correct - ask nwhb and Oxford (to name just two!). My point is that, although NLS sounds good, it's actually no different to being in the SP back in the 80s*. We belong at the top of non-league, not the second tier. (*Although I also accept the counter-argument which says that the NL today is actually a much higher standard than the old Conference - or even the old Div 4 - so NLS is probably about the same standard as the old Conference. I still want to be in the top divison though!) Back then there were three feeder leagues not two. Only the champions went up so most of the fixtures were meaningless by March. Initially there were only two feeder leagues.
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Post by Stonethecrow on Nov 23, 2020 22:06:19 GMT
We are where we are and where we deserve to be. But the ambitions are for National League again and there's nothing wrong with having ambition. To get back up would be a hell of an achievement. Personally I don't 'expect' it to happen this season but I still think we have a sniff of a chance. It's what we all want, well most of us anyhow.
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Post by jdl on Nov 23, 2020 22:12:47 GMT
I am never correct - ask nwhb and Oxford (to name just two!). My point is that, although NLS sounds good, it's actually no different to being in the SP back in the 80s*. We belong at the top of non-league, not the second tier. (*Although I also accept the counter-argument which says that the NL today is actually a much higher standard than the old Conference - or even the old Div 4 - so NLS is probably about the same standard as the old Conference. I still want to be in the top divison though!) Can i ask you say that we belong at the top of non league - WHY??It's like them muppet arsenal and Manchester United fans who think it is their given right to be top four of the premier league. No team deserves to be higher than they currently are, every team is at there current level for a reason: -- to crap at the next level up -- other teams playing much better and more consistently -- sugar daddies have them at a higher level Every team is where they are on merit and just because of their name history it means nothing and their current position is a fair reflection on their current status and is exactly where the team should be. Er.. because I'm a Stones supporter. When I first started supporting the team (the first season of the Alliance), we were in the top tier, so isn't it natural for me to think of us in those terms? But since when has football supporting been rational?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 22:20:37 GMT
Does seem a bit strange to hear so much from the doubters when the team is playing well. It seems that some people are only satisfied if we win every match 5-0. I agree, some of the comments about the players made in the match thread after the game were ridiculous. Of course it was desperately disappointing but some of the comments written about the likes of Amaluzor and Joan Luque were plain daft. They are extremely talented players but, due to the fact they've both previously had games where they have personally had a big hand in fashioning a win, people seem to expect them to play like world-beaters every time and if they don't, they think it's okay to say they are dire and should be dropped. It's okay to say someone has had a poor game if that's what they had, but you don't drop your best players due to one poor performance. I thought Justin was poor against Dartford but he played okay against Fleet and Billericay. If he doesn't weave through the defence and stuff the ball in the net every game, he gets slagged off. It's a darn good job those people aren't involved with managing the side.
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Post by nws on Nov 24, 2020 9:13:32 GMT
Does seem a bit strange to hear so much from the doubters when the team is playing well. It seems that some people are only satisfied if we win every match 5-0. I agree, some of the comments about the players made in the match thread after the game were ridiculous. Of course it was desperately disappointing but some of the comments written about the likes of Amaluzor and Joan Luque were plain daft. They are extremely talented players but, due to the fact they've both previously had games where they have personally had a big hand in fashioning a win, people seem to expect them to play like world-beaters every time and if they don't, they think it's okay to say they are dire and should be dropped. It's okay to say someone has had a poor game if that's what they had, but you don't drop your best players due to one poor performance. I thought Justin was poor against Dartford but he played okay against Fleet and Billericay. If he doesn't weave through the defence and stuff the ball in the net every game, he gets slagged off. It's a darn good job those people aren't involved with managing the side. Sometimes better players get special attention and the benefit of that is space for other players
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Post by La femme de Vic Jobson on Nov 24, 2020 10:31:23 GMT
Does seem a bit strange to hear so much from the doubters when the team is playing well. It seems that some people are only satisfied if we win every match 5-0. I agree, some of the comments about the players made in the match thread after the game were ridiculous. Of course it was desperately disappointing but some of the comments written about the likes of Amaluzor and Joan Luque were plain daft. They are extremely talented players but, due to the fact they've both previously had games where they have personally had a big hand in fashioning a win, people seem to expect them to play like world-beaters every time and if they don't, they think it's okay to say they are dire and should be dropped. It's okay to say someone has had a poor game if that's what they had, but you don't drop your best players due to one poor performance. I thought Justin was poor against Dartford but he played okay against Fleet and Billericay. If he doesn't weave through the defence and stuff the ball in the net every game, he gets slagged off. It's a darn good job those people aren't involved with managing the side. Thought Amo looked very lively after watching the highlights.
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Post by La femme de Vic Jobson on Nov 24, 2020 10:40:23 GMT
Back then there were three feeder leagues not two. Only the champions went up so most of the fixtures were meaningless by March. Initially there were only two feeder leagues. True, then they allowed one club from the Isthmian up as well. This was the arrangement into the early 2000s. Margate beat Burton to the SPL title in 2001 and went up, Burton didn't even get a play-off. Look how that's worked out for them since ... The general point being that the pyramid is a lot better now than it was then. In extreme cases Kent clubs were playing at places like Stamford and Kings Lynn, but not playing each other.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 10:44:00 GMT
I agree, some of the comments about the players made in the match thread after the game were ridiculous. Of course it was desperately disappointing but some of the comments written about the likes of Amaluzor and Joan Luque were plain daft. They are extremely talented players but, due to the fact they've both previously had games where they have personally had a big hand in fashioning a win, people seem to expect them to play like world-beaters every time and if they don't, they think it's okay to say they are dire and should be dropped. It's okay to say someone has had a poor game if that's what they had, but you don't drop your best players due to one poor performance. I thought Justin was poor against Dartford but he played okay against Fleet and Billericay. If he doesn't weave through the defence and stuff the ball in the net every game, he gets slagged off. It's a darn good job those people aren't involved with managing the side. Thought Amo looked very lively after watching the highlights. Agreed. He is a constant threat to defences in 80 - 90% of the games he plays in and as fans, we need to show him a bit more respect than he's getting from some quarters. In our current financial situation we're lucky to have him. He will win more games for us this season. I did say he was poor after the Dartford game and I stand by that, but he would be in my starting eleven every time because he is a player who can suddenly produce that moment of brilliance that wins you a game. Players like that don't grow on trees at our level.
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