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Post by nws on Nov 30, 2019 15:04:52 GMT
Yes they are both flawed human beings - as are we all - but Corbyns anti Israel beliefs, his BDS support and his pro Islamic terrorist views and support are very real and not just out of right wing rags. His attempt to cover these views of his make him far more dangerous than Boris. With such extremist views he should not be in British politics let alone a party leader or, heaven forbid, Prime Minister. Can you point me towards the evidence that Corbyn is pro-Islamic terrorism. I'd like to read more on it
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Post by 61666 on Nov 30, 2019 18:02:57 GMT
Following the horrific events on London Bridge, it was disappointing (if not unexpected) to hear Buck Foris bleating on about how he had been saying for ages that convicted terrorists should not be let out early. That's as maybe, but it was nothing more than election points scoring. Jezza on the other hand took the more reflective, pragmatic view that the incident needed investigating. Now is not the time to score points and for me it demeans our PM to act in the way he did. People go on about Jezza being a supporter of IS or whoever, but no matter how disagreeable these groups are, there is also the notion that one man's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. Understanding what is behind these conflicts is just as important as action against the perpetrators because failure to do so does not make the problem go away. Kill them all? It just provides fuel for the cause...
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Post by shamstone on Nov 30, 2019 18:15:42 GMT
Following the horrific events on London Bridge, it was disappointing (if not unexpected) to hear Buck Foris bleating on about how he had been saying for ages that convicted terrorists should not be let out early. That's as maybe, but it was nothing more than election points scoring. Jezza on the other hand took the more reflective, pragmatic view that the incident needed investigating. Now is not the time to score points and for me it demeans our PM to act in the way he did. People go on about Jezza being a supporter of IS or whoever, but no matter how disagreeable these groups are, there is also the notion that one man's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. Understanding what is behind these conflicts is just as important as action against the perpetrators because failure to do so does not make the problem go away. Kill them all? It just provides fuel for the cause... Really ?
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Post by sword65 on Nov 30, 2019 19:12:52 GMT
Following the horrific events on London Bridge, it was disappointing (if not unexpected) to hear Buck Foris bleating on about how he had been saying for ages that convicted terrorists should not be let out early. That's as maybe, but it was nothing more than election points scoring. Jezza on the other hand took the more reflective, pragmatic view that the incident needed investigating. Now is not the time to score points and for me it demeans our PM to act in the way he did. People go on about Jezza being a supporter of IS or whoever, but no matter how disagreeable these groups are, there is also the notion that one man's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. Understanding what is behind these conflicts is just as important as action against the perpetrators because failure to do so does not make the problem go away. Kill them all? It just provides fuel for the cause... It is easy to describe what happened as an act of terrorism, but other people get stabbed in London every week and it is just called knife crime. Calling this terrorism is a bit of a cop out as it was simply an act of violence by a man who was seriously mentally ill and should never have seen the light of day in the first place. Who ever made the decision to release him back into society should be on the dole come Monday and made to pay compensation to the families of the deceased.
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Post by 61666 on Nov 30, 2019 19:15:09 GMT
Yes. Think about it. The IRA troubles went away because of the Good Friday Agreement and a shitload of money into the Northern Ireland economy. All that the invasion of Iraq managed was to create was IS. Years of conflict in Afghanistan haven't changed a thing. In American, Trump's answer to school massacres is 'more guns'. Have the shootings stopped? No. Anyway, Buck Foris was scoring political brownie points and pretty pointless ones at that. Ultimately, when the killing stops, you have to talk to each other. Trying to avoid the killings before they start might be a good idea, but hindsight is not a universal commodity.
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Post by shamstone on Nov 30, 2019 19:16:26 GMT
Fcuking hell man. It was Islamic terrorism. He was a convicted Islamic terrorist.
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Post by sword65 on Nov 30, 2019 19:35:02 GMT
Fcuking hell man. It was Islamic terrorism. He was a convicted Islamic terrorist. Maybe we should tell them that for every person killed by an act of Islamic terrorism we will demolish one mosque then maybe they will behave. Also refuse permission to build anymore until they agree to such measures. It's a ludicrous idea but it might work.
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Post by shamstone on Nov 30, 2019 19:38:34 GMT
Yes. Think about it. The IRA troubles went away because of the Good Friday Agreement and a shitload of money into the Northern Ireland economy. All that the invasion of Iraq managed was to create was IS. Years of conflict in Afghanistan haven't changed a thing. In American, Trump's answer to school massacres is 'more guns'. Have the shootings stopped? No. Anyway, Buck Foris was scoring political brownie points and pretty pointless ones at that. Ultimately, when the killing stops, you have to talk to each other. Trying to avoid the killings before they start might be a good idea, but hindsight is not a universal commodity. Who are you going to talk to. There a barbaric cult that goes back centuries that just wants death and destruction, no matter what.You ain’t gonna get them in a peace treaty
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Post by shamstone on Nov 30, 2019 19:45:08 GMT
Fcuking hell man. It was Islamic terrorism. He was a convicted Islamic terrorist. Maybe we should tell them that for every person killed by an act of Islamic terrorism we will demolish one mosque then maybe they will behave. Also refuse permission to build anymore until they agree to such measures. It's a ludicrous idea but it might work. Why should a law abiding community have their mosque demolished because of a crazed ideology of a dark aged load of whack jobs, who it must be added kill their ‘own people’
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Post by 61666 on Nov 30, 2019 19:52:21 GMT
I am glad he was shot dead, but continuing the cycle doesn't actually solve anything. Short term actions are necessary, but they do not solve the on going problems. Knock down a mosque. How many potential new terrorists is that going to create? Don't pretend to know the solution, but until one is found, then such events will sadly continue.
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Post by sword65 on Nov 30, 2019 19:52:22 GMT
Maybe we should tell them that for every person killed by an act of Islamic terrorism we will demolish one mosque then maybe they will behave. Also refuse permission to build anymore until they agree to such measures. It's a ludicrous idea but it might work. Why should a law abiding community have their mosque demolished because of a crazed ideology of a dark aged load of whack jobs, who it must be added kill their ‘own people’ Well maybe the civilised law abiding community would have more say in what the whack jobs do but I understand that they probably have as little idea as we do the thoughts that go through a terrorists mind but let's not forget these whack jobs have families in the law abiding community and they should be held responsible for their offspring actions. We cannot stop the terrorism but they could if they truly wanted too.
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Post by 61666 on Nov 30, 2019 19:54:25 GMT
And I still think the PM's comments were inappropriate.
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Post by sword65 on Nov 30, 2019 20:02:22 GMT
I am glad he was shot dead, but continuing the cycle doesn't actually solve anything. Short term actions are necessary, but they do not solve the on going problems. Knock down a mosque. How many potential new terrorists is that going to create? Don't pretend to know the solution, but until one is found, then such events will sadly continue. I never said it was a good idea but hey nothing else is working . What will annoy me is the civilised law abiding muslims will probably mourn him and give him a hero's funeral.
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Post by shamstone on Nov 30, 2019 20:09:21 GMT
Why was this murdering bastard out on the streets with a tag anyway. Also as a nation we are so frightened at upsetting certain groups. By putting a population in groups you then marginalise, which will then cause a distrust in each other. A sort of them and us. That’s probably why they don’t come forward.! It’s not fair on families whose relatives go on a murdering spree, but maybe if we hold them accountable things might change. Who knows. We must stop it though. Kudos to the heroes that took this monster down. Especially the firearms officer who popped 2 caps into his head. No costly trial now
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Post by shamstone on Nov 30, 2019 20:14:58 GMT
And I still think the PM's comments were inappropriate. This not about the PM. We have bad crime in this country that is mostly spontaneous. This is about monsters that want kill and maim anybody regardless of who they are for a sick belief. They must be wiped out. Simple
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