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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 20:57:55 GMT
Labour majority government is my pick sadly. And then more years of utter chaos and levels of division, hatred and anger yet to make an appearance. Socialism? Last time there was socialism, the trains were shite, there were power cuts, lack of investment, the list goes on and on. That s why we privatised the lot wasn t it? Find it baffling that anyone could even contemplate for one second voting for Labour.
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Post by daveu on Nov 26, 2019 21:41:48 GMT
Labour majority government is my pick sadly. And then more years of utter chaos and levels of division, hatred and anger yet to make an appearance. Socialism? Last time there was socialism, the trains were shite, there were power cuts, lack of investment, the list goes on and on. That s why we privatised the lot wasn t it? Find it baffling that anyone could even contemplate for one second voting for Labour. Tactical voting to keep the Tories out, not that there's much chance of overturning Helen Grant's huge majority in Maidstone. Of course you also have to remember that a lot of modern voters have never had to live through a proper socialist government. You have to have experienced it to know how bad it can be. I don't want to go back to a time of powerful unions holding the country to ransom, but then again, neither do I want to live in a country led by Boris and his facist mates. The two main parties have moved too far to the extremes leaving the centre ground to be occupied by a party so weak as to be virtually irrelevant.
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Post by hammerstone on Nov 26, 2019 22:01:36 GMT
Labour majority government is my pick sadly. And then more years of utter chaos and levels of division, hatred and anger yet to make an appearance. Socialism? Last time there was socialism, the trains were shite, there were power cuts, lack of investment, the list goes on and on. That s why we privatised the lot wasn t it? Find it baffling that anyone could even contemplate for one second voting for Labour. I’ll never ever vote for Labour. At least today with Andrew Neil his master plan for where the money is coming from, borrow. 2020 is going to be fucked
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 22:04:56 GMT
Socialism? Last time there was socialism, the trains were shite, there were power cuts, lack of investment, the list goes on and on. That s why we privatised the lot wasn t it? Find it baffling that anyone could even contemplate for one second voting for Labour. I’ll never ever vote for Labour. At least today with Andrew Neil his master plan for where the money is coming from, borrow. 2020 is going to be fucked Yeah I think socialism is 100 times worse than Brexit, which in itself is a majorly flawed ideology. Not entirely sure why the lib dems are doing so bad though. It s an election made for them. Half the country voted to Remain, where the frig have they all gone and why aren t they voting for the only Remain party?
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Post by 61666 on Nov 26, 2019 22:25:02 GMT
A large proportion of people don't trust BoJo, yet still vote Tory. Given they also sport unpleasant individuals like IDS, JRM, Cove the Gunt etc, you have to wonder at their sanity. The sad truth is that politics is bereft of trustworthy people and many are just going to vote the way they have always done, regardless of the outcomes they inflict of themselves and us all.
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Post by sword65 on Nov 26, 2019 23:02:28 GMT
A large proportion of people don't trust BoJo, yet still vote Tory. Given they also sport unpleasant individuals like IDS, JRM, Cove the Gunt etc, you have to wonder at their sanity. The sad truth is that politics is bereft of trustworthy people and many are just going to vote the way they have always done, regardless of the outcomes they inflict of themselves and us all. I am at a loss who to vote for. I said I would never vote Tory again after what Thatcher did to the miners but there is no respectable alternative,I think I would rather die than vote Corbyn
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 23:21:40 GMT
A large proportion of people don't trust BoJo, yet still vote Tory. Given they also sport unpleasant individuals like IDS, JRM, Cove the Gunt etc, you have to wonder at their sanity. The sad truth is that politics is bereft of trustworthy people and many are just going to vote the way they have always done, regardless of the outcomes they inflict of themselves and us all. I am at a loss who to vote for. I said I would never vote Tory again after what Thatcher did to the miners but there is no respectable alternative,I think I would rather die than vote Corbyn Wow whoever thought their grand plan for reuniting the country was to get us all to agree how shit the choice was between them!
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Post by Rob on Nov 27, 2019 16:21:43 GMT
A large proportion of people don't trust BoJo, yet still vote Tory. Given they also sport unpleasant individuals like IDS, JRM, Cove the Gunt etc, you have to wonder at their sanity. The sad truth is that politics is bereft of trustworthy people and many are just going to vote the way they have always done, regardless of the outcomes they inflict of themselves and us all. I am at a loss who to vote for. I said I would never vote Tory again after what Thatcher did to the miners but there is no respectable alternative,I think I would rather die than vote Corbyn Now that is definitely OTT sword. Corbyn's roots after moving to London are wholly political (trade union/local councillor) anti facist, anti war and anti apartheid. A man from humble beginnings who very quickly became what we now describe as an old school socialist. Honest enough to admit he wants to nationalise everything that moves and intends to borrow, tax and spend on public services. Personally frugal, he is teetotal, vegetarian and an atheist and I doubt whether there's a wicked bone in his body. Then there is your elitist friend, Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson with his American roots, before being transported onwards and upwards to Eton and Balliol College. From being an 'interesting' journalist with the Telegraph and Spectator he was twice elected as Mayor of London and introduced the new Routemaster buses. Very different character to Jeremy, BoJo is box-office, charismatic, pragmatic, opportunistic, ambitious, entertaining, humorous and popular Even if he is lacking in some qualities such as trustworthiness, integrity, honesty and the virtuous stakes, surely he is still the better of the 2 candidates ? Actually, I'm not so sure.
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Post by stewart on Nov 27, 2019 18:57:06 GMT
Roll back to the day's when we could vote for the monster raving loony party. And whatever happened to the bring a bottle party?
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Post by Better things to do in life on Nov 27, 2019 21:25:17 GMT
I am at a loss who to vote for. I said I would never vote Tory again after what Thatcher did to the miners but there is no respectable alternative,I think I would rather die than vote Corbyn Now that is definitely OTT sword. Corbyn's roots after moving to London are wholly political (trade union/local councillor) anti facist, anti war and anti apartheid. A man from humble beginnings who very quickly became what we now describe as an old school socialist. Honest enough to admit he wants to nationalise everything that moves and intends to borrow, tax and spend on public services. Personally frugal, he is teetotal, vegetarian and an atheist and I doubt whether there's a wicked bone in his body. Then there is your elitist friend, Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson with his American roots, before being transported onwards and upwards to Eton and Balliol College. From being an 'interesting' journalist with the Telegraph and Spectator he was twice elected as Mayor of London and introduced the new Routemaster buses. Very different character to Jeremy, BoJo is box-office, charismatic, pragmatic, opportunistic, ambitious, entertaining, humorous and popular Even if he is lacking in some qualities such as trustworthiness, integrity, honesty and the virtuous stakes, surely he is still the better of the 2 candidates ? Actually, I'm not so sure. I think the Chief Rabbi would disagree with your sycophantic description of Corbyn, who hates Israel, isn't keen on Jews, supports the BDS and supports Islamic terrorist organisations against Israel. Anti Fascist? Hardly. Anti War? Only where it suits him. Anti apartheid? Depends on what religion or ethnicity you are. Old School Socialist? Isn't that what Lenin, Stalin, Mao etc were? At least Boris is home grown at Eton and Balliol (Good enough for centuries of British PM's before him). Corbyn's mix of views comes from old school Russian and Chinese Communism mixed with modern day Middle Eastern Jihadism. I know which of those two I would prefer.
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Post by 61666 on Nov 27, 2019 21:42:47 GMT
The above chooses to omit that the muslim population of the UK thinks the Tories are every bit as anti Islamic as Labour is anti Semitic. Personally, I choose to take a rounded view and note what the BBC's reality checks are saying about all parties. Latest in the long list of Tory lies is the leaked trade papers which strongly suggest the Tory aim is a hard Brexit if they win a majority. A brexit which puts Britain at the mercy of the USA's so called trade deals which give the yanks very much the larger slice of the pie, while at the same time decimating what little manufacturing we still have left. I don't agree with many of Labour's aims either, because I doubt the economic wisdom behind them. It worries me greatly that there are people out there voting Tory, with little or no idea of what they are voting for, other than it is what their preferred daily paper tells them, or it because they have always voted that way. My own vote counts for little in a constituency with a big Tory majority and though I quite like our local MP, the bigger picture is that this would be a vote for leaders who have been proven to be serial liars and basically very unsavoury characters. Don't say you haven't been warned. There are some proper bastards out there trying to con you for your vote.
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Post by hongkongstone on Nov 28, 2019 2:12:55 GMT
If the US born Bojo wins with a majority then 250 years of history will be reversed when the former American colony owns the UK and turns it into 'Airstrip One'.
Is the fact that the snake oil salesman Agent Orange endorses Bojo not enough to convince voters that he is untrustworthy?
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Post by Rob on Nov 28, 2019 10:08:45 GMT
Now that is definitely OTT sword. Corbyn's roots after moving to London are wholly political (trade union/local councillor) anti facist, anti war and anti apartheid. A man from humble beginnings who very quickly became what we now describe as an old school socialist. Honest enough to admit he wants to nationalise everything that moves and intends to borrow, tax and spend on public services. Personally frugal, he is teetotal, vegetarian and an atheist and I doubt whether there's a wicked bone in his body. Then there is your elitist friend, Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson with his American roots, before being transported onwards and upwards to Eton and Balliol College. From being an 'interesting' journalist with the Telegraph and Spectator he was twice elected as Mayor of London and introduced the new Routemaster buses. Very different character to Jeremy, BoJo is box-office, charismatic, pragmatic, opportunistic, ambitious, entertaining, humorous and popular Even if he is lacking in some qualities such as trustworthiness, integrity, honesty and the virtuous stakes, surely he is still the better of the 2 candidates ? Actually, I'm not so sure. I think the Chief Rabbi would disagree with your sycophantic description of Corbyn, who hates Israel, isn't keen on Jews, supports the BDS and supports Islamic terrorist organisations against Israel. Anti Fascist? Hardly. Anti War? Only where it suits him. Anti apartheid? Depends on what religion or ethnicity you are. Old School Socialist? Isn't that what Lenin, Stalin, Mao etc were? At least Boris is home grown at Eton and Balliol (Good enough for centuries of British PM's before him). Corbyn's mix of views comes from old school Russian and Chinese Communism mixed with modern day Middle Eastern Jihadism. I know which of those two I would prefer. Oldboy, I think you have been overdosing on the Sun/Express/Mail style propaganda.
You do give the impression of being a 'one eyed jack' who always articulates what may broadly be described as being a right wing perspective. It takes all sorts in this World and we just have to get on with each other as best we can, even if at times it means counting to 10 and beyond. This is not a dichotomy between good and evil, as you would portray it. Corbyn is clearly a flawed human being, both as a person and a politician, with BoJo suffering at least as many serious personal flaws, albeit of a different nature
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Post by Better things to do in life on Nov 28, 2019 22:04:02 GMT
I think the Chief Rabbi would disagree with your sycophantic description of Corbyn, who hates Israel, isn't keen on Jews, supports the BDS and supports Islamic terrorist organisations against Israel. Anti Fascist? Hardly. Anti War? Only where it suits him. Anti apartheid? Depends on what religion or ethnicity you are. Old School Socialist? Isn't that what Lenin, Stalin, Mao etc were? At least Boris is home grown at Eton and Balliol (Good enough for centuries of British PM's before him). Corbyn's mix of views comes from old school Russian and Chinese Communism mixed with modern day Middle Eastern Jihadism. I know which of those two I would prefer. Oldboy, I think you have been overdosing on the Sun/Express/Mail style propaganda.
You do give the impression of being a 'one eyed jack' who always articulates what may broadly be described as being a right wing perspective. It takes all sorts in this World and we just have to get on with each other as best we can, even if at times it means counting to 10 and beyond. This is not a dichotomy between good and evil, as you would portray it. Corbyn is clearly a flawed human being, both as a person and a politician, with BoJo suffering at least as many serious personal flaws, albeit of a different natureYes they are both flawed human beings - as are we all - but Corbyns anti Israel beliefs, his BDS support and his pro Islamic terrorist views and support are very real and not just out of right wing rags. His attempt to cover these views of his make him far more dangerous than Boris. With such extremist views he should not be in British politics let alone a party leader or, heaven forbid, Prime Minister.
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Post by sword65 on Nov 29, 2019 2:47:00 GMT
I don't care what they have to say It makes no difference anyway Whatever it is,I'm against it No matter what it is or who commenced it I'm against it
Their propositions maybe good But let's have one thing understood Whatever it is, I'm against it And even when they've changed it and condensed it I'm against it
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