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Post by 61666 on Nov 30, 2019 22:18:18 GMT
Easier said than done and for I'd like to agree, history shows it has never been achieved, nor likely to be.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 22:40:23 GMT
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Post by shamstone on Nov 30, 2019 23:29:13 GMT
I get it, you do like Johnson. He is a total opportunist. What is your point. You say nothing about the poor victims.You just link a story and say ‘shameful’. Again, certain individuals in this country are at war with our way of life. This fcuker met his match and was served justice
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Post by Better things to do in life on Dec 1, 2019 1:33:56 GMT
Yes they are both flawed human beings - as are we all - but Corbyns anti Israel beliefs, his BDS support and his pro Islamic terrorist views and support are very real and not just out of right wing rags. His attempt to cover these views of his make him far more dangerous than Boris. With such extremist views he should not be in British politics let alone a party leader or, heaven forbid, Prime Minister. Can you point me towards the evidence that Corbyn is pro-Islamic terrorism. I'd like to read more on it Calling Hamas and Hezbollah friends in 2009, supporting the OCS and BDS, and pro Iran rally in 2014 and pro Palestinian rally in May 2019 and all of those five examples vehemently anti Israel anti Jewish and pro terrorism. Do You need any more?
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Post by Better things to do in life on Dec 1, 2019 1:34:33 GMT
Can you point me towards the evidence that Corbyn is pro-Islamic terrorism. I'd like to read more on it Calling Hamas and Hezbollah friends in 2009, supporting the OCS and BDS, and pro Iran rally in 2014 and pro Palestinian rally in May 2019 and all of those five examples vehemently anti Israel anti Jewish and pro terrorism. Do You need any more? PCS not OCS
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Post by shamstone on Dec 1, 2019 3:56:09 GMT
I get it, you do like Johnson. He is a total opportunist. What is your point. You say nothing about the poor victims.You just link a story and say ‘shameful’. Again, certain individuals in this country are at war with our way of life. This fcuker met his match and was served justice Don’t like Johnson. My apologies
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 8:27:23 GMT
I get it, you do like Johnson. He is a total opportunist. What is your point. You say nothing about the poor victims.You just link a story and say ‘shameful’. Again, certain individuals in this country are at war with our way of life. This fcuker met his match and was served justice I'm just putting information here. Is it not shameful? After they have blamed Labour for changing the law in 2008! 10 years they have been in power the arseholes take NO ownership of anything. What should I say about these victims that won't have been said elsewhere. I will recognise the comments on twitter of the victims father Daily Mirror columnist David Maguire. Lost his son and retains his humanity. Knee jerk burn all the non British people attitudes are not the answer. We become what the terrorists want
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Post by 61666 on Dec 1, 2019 9:18:17 GMT
Precisely what I was trying to say at the start. The government got it wrong, but because we are in an election campaign, they panic and try to put the blame on the opposition. Put your hand up, admit you got it wrong and then do something about it. As for blame, you can trace most world problems back to colonial days. Most countries in the middle East are the result of diplomats drawing arbitrary lines on the maps - dividing up the spoils, but totally ignoring local/tribal ties and politics. Same applies to former Yugoslavia. It works while the colonial power is in charge, or indeed the dictator who fills the vacuum when the latter leaves. However, once they fall from power, all hell breaks loose, as per the Balkans war (UN forces still essential to keeping the peace in many areas and same in parts of Africa), Iran-Iraq - Syria, Libya, etc etc. As for Palestine and Hezbollah, Israel crams several million people into a tiny space, denies them many essential rights, though is happy to use them as cheap labour, but then gets annoyed when they rebel. Who is right? Who knows - the arguments on ancestral ownership go back to the bronze age! In the meantime, every act of atrocity is met with a 'nuke the bastards' response from some quarters, but don't forget we have been happy to sell them arms in the past ourselves. Dealing with the perpetrators may provide short term respite. It may also bring more martyrs to the cause. Knee jerk reactions are easy. Solving the actual problem, so these things don't happen again? Nobel Peace Prize territory...
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Post by nws on Dec 2, 2019 9:01:07 GMT
Can you point me towards the evidence that Corbyn is pro-Islamic terrorism. I'd like to read more on it Calling Hamas and Hezbollah friends in 2009, supporting the OCS and BDS, and pro Iran rally in 2014 and pro Palestinian rally in May 2019 and all of those five examples vehemently anti Israel anti Jewish and pro terrorism. Do You need any more? Well I was rather hoping for some links to an actual credible source rather than just stuff being spouted. Maybe the bit where I said I'd like to read more on it was a mystery for you.
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Post by nws on Dec 2, 2019 9:30:56 GMT
Precisely what I was trying to say at the start. The government got it wrong, but because we are in an election campaign, they panic and try to put the blame on the opposition. Put your hand up, admit you got it wrong and then do something about it. As for blame, you can trace most world problems back to colonial days. Most countries in the middle East are the result of diplomats drawing arbitrary lines on the maps - dividing up the spoils, but totally ignoring local/tribal ties and politics. Same applies to former Yugoslavia. It works while the colonial power is in charge, or indeed the dictator who fills the vacuum when the latter leaves. However, once they fall from power, all hell breaks loose, as per the Balkans war (UN forces still essential to keeping the peace in many areas and same in parts of Africa), Iran-Iraq - Syria, Libya, etc etc. As for Palestine and Hezbollah, Israel crams several million people into a tiny space, denies them many essential rights, though is happy to use them as cheap labour, but then gets annoyed when they rebel. Who is right? Who knows - the arguments on ancestral ownership go back to the bronze age! In the meantime, every act of atrocity is met with a 'nuke the bastards' response from some quarters, but don't forget we have been happy to sell them arms in the past ourselves. Dealing with the perpetrators may provide short term respite. It may also bring more martyrs to the cause. Knee jerk reactions are easy. Solving the actual problem, so these things don't happen again? Nobel Peace Prize territory... Indeed. What appears to be a loophole from the last Labour government's policy through to this government has played out in somewhat tragic circumstances. For me it is like everything else that seems to go wrong. Repeated warnings are ignored with a mantra of 'no money'. I hope that mantra is repeated when the banks come knocking next time and judging by the way they are carrying on it won't be too far in the future. This is an interesting read and backs up everything that is untrue about the constantly trotted out nonsense about our economy going wrong, in 2008, because of public spending. www.rt.com/uk/399091-financial-crash-steve-keen/“The Tories were incredibly successful in convincing the electorate that the crisis was caused by government spending, which is absurd. That is technically saying government spending in the UK caused the financial crisis in the United States. Which is just nonsense. “And that gave us austerity for the last 10 years. That austerity has actually further weakened the economy.” Has anyone noticed that the best economies and the happiest people always seem to be in Scandanavia where tax is higher. It has to be said that the tax system is flatter so middle income earners would be affected more and VAT is higher and more broad-based (i.e tax on consumption). There also seems to be a better culture of work ethic and providing the investment for that work ethic (i.e free education). Maybe we need to start having that conversation in this country. As per usual, I think Mr Corbyn starts to knock on the door of things but always seems to go to a different conclusion. The Tories are not wrong in their assertions that we need to have work ethic. However, their ideology always seems to mean an individual is left to fend for themselves by paying for their own education. Many people will not pay for that so we are left with lower education/training and the need for pointless social welfare (i.e. dole payments). If we all paid more income tax, had higher VAT coupled with better education and universal free care for elderly/vulnerable then surely we would consume less (good for the planet) and employment would be more directed to human endeavours such as care etc. With less disposable income house prices would have to bump down bit by bit. The financial sector would reduce. In this way we would see our activities targeted towards looking after each other and our planet rather than just to enrich a few people that already have loads.
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Post by Nick on Dec 2, 2019 10:22:54 GMT
Your post almost sounds like a Christmas message nws.
Nice sentiments, but most people are not as caring for others as you would wish.
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Post by nws on Dec 2, 2019 10:31:44 GMT
Well, after digging, I found the so-called pro-Iran rally speech. He speaks about the damage of imperial past in the Middle East and Africa, his support for non-proliferation in nuclear weapons and war and his hope for a future where we can all get along. Not quite the pro-terrorist speech I though I was going to get. Can someone tell me what he said that was so awful? viribusnews.com/jeremy-corbyn-speech-islamic-khomeinist-rally-2014/I think he mentions Israel not being part of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. Obviously, this is a fact. It doesn't fit Oldboy's one-eyed view of the world so he must slate it as anti-Jewish and pro-terrorist.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Dec 2, 2019 10:42:24 GMT
Calling Hamas and Hezbollah friends in 2009, supporting the OCS and BDS, and pro Iran rally in 2014 and pro Palestinian rally in May 2019 and all of those five examples vehemently anti Israel anti Jewish and pro terrorism. Do You need any more? Well I was rather hoping for some links to an actual credible source rather than just stuff being spouted. Maybe the bit where I said I'd like to read more on it was a mystery for you. Dear dear, NWS, just Google Corbyn and those references and you will get all the links you need, and do your research into linked, and other sources, and the references will ALL be verified, I can assure you of that. Yes Corbyn did apologise about the "friends" comment about Hezbollah and Hamas when he accidentally became party leader (Funny that!) but it didn't stop him backing a huge pro-Palestinian, anti Israel Expo event (bearing in mind that Palestine is "Governed", not particularly democratically, by a terrorist organisation) shockingly held in this country, in London, at the QE2 centre (Within a grenades throw of Parliament) in 2017, and there are more references besides that . Surely someone of your intellect can do that, and would want to do that, as you are so keen to uncover the truth? I am not here to spoon feed you just because its facts that you clearly don't like because they don't fit your view of the world. My suspicion is that you are a real politician of the type you claim to not like. It seems that you need those with opposing views to similarly quote state and submit their sources just so that you can then attack them as not facts, not truthful, and from an unreliable source etc, and so it goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on , just like you do. That's what the Birds eye Potato Waffle Thread is far more fun! You missed your vocation. You should have been a lawyer or an MP. Or maybe you are? I'm not, that's why I don't spend my life on this stuff. Time for a Findus crispy pancake!
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Post by nws on Dec 2, 2019 11:03:58 GMT
Well I was rather hoping for some links to an actual credible source rather than just stuff being spouted. Maybe the bit where I said I'd like to read more on it was a mystery for you. Dear dear, NWS, just Google Corbyn and those references and you will get all the links you need, and do your research into linked, and other sources, and the references will ALL be verified, I can assure you of that. Yes Corbyn did apologise about the "friends" comment about Hezbollah and Hamas when he accidentally became party leader (Funny that!) but it didn't stop him backing a huge pro-Palestinian, anti Israel Expo event (bearing in mind that Palestine is "Governed", not particularly democratically, by a terrorist organisation) shockingly held in this country, in London, at the QE2 centre (Within a grenades throw of Parliament) in 2017, and there are more references besides that . Surely someone of your intellect can do that, and would want to do that, as you are so keen to uncover the truth? I am not here to spoon feed you just because its facts that you clearly don't like because they don't fit your view of the world. My suspicion is that you are a real politician of the type you claim to not like. It seems that you need those with opposing views to similarly quote state and submit their sources just so that you can then attack them as not facts, not truthful, and from an unreliable source etc, and so it goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on , just like you do. That's what the Birds eye Potato Waffle Thread is far more fun! You missed your vocation. You should have been a lawyer or an MP. Or maybe you are? I'm not, that's why I don't spend my life on this stuff. Time for a Findus crispy pancake! Oh dear. Here we go again. You make assertions, I ask where these came from. You explode with rage and ire, foam at the mouth and start the usual ad hominem against me for merely asking what you are talking about. You don't read anything, you don't understand anything you just slate whatever the tabloids tell you to hate. You are comical. I actually found the so-called terrorist speech to the pro-Iranian rally you mentioned. I linked it above. I shall await to see what you hate about it. But then again, it is 17 minutes long. You would have to listen for 17 minutes, digest and consider. To help you (as you struggle with considering anything) it talks about the mistakes of the West in getting involved in the affairs of others with policies that haven't helped and supports an Iran that is part of a Middle East that lives in peace. It's about peace and stopping war. Not quite the terrorist view of the world but I doubt the Mail or Telepgraph told you that. So there you are on that one. Do you believe the ACTUAL speech or the distortion of the press? I also find it funny that you are offended that I don't just accept your "tabloid headlines" view of the world and actually ask for sources so I can read them. Initially, I was genuinely interested but now find myself intrigued by your reticence and offence. Anyway, I shall continue to dig and laugh at your ire. I have no desire to support or not support Jeremy Corbyn. I do laugh at your distrust of him, based on lots of heresay, while seeming to support a government with a leader that can be seen to be openly lying on so many occasions it is laughable. I guess, it is because I am not so blindly wedded to nationality that I will see things on both sides. I agree that Corbyn's apology was nicely-timed when he became leader. However, until he was a threat to the rich nobody was particularly interested in his comments. Suddenly they all wanted his blood and apology when he became leader. Funny that... As for the Potato Waffle thread...I think you have found your true research level. Congratulations.
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Post by nws on Dec 2, 2019 11:49:05 GMT
Well here is Corbyn's message to the pro-Palestinian rally.
“We cannot stand by or stay silent at the continuing denial of rights and justice to the Palestinian people. The Labour Party is united in condemning the ongoing human rights abuses by Israeli forces, including the shooting of hundreds of unarmed Palestinian demonstrators in Gaza - most of them refugees or families of refugees - demanding their rights.”
This rally was a rally to call for Israel to be held accountable for violations of international law. Such a thing is not particularly anti-Jewish although I do agree that it is against Israeli policy. Not sure why calling for a state to stop shooting unarmed civilians is pro-terrorist. Personally, I don't think supporting the likes of Hamas or Hezbollah is a good idea. Encouraging dialogue with them is a good idea. Remember that one slate Corbyn has received is for wanting to talk to the IRA. That slate seems to have died away somewhat more lately since the facts have emerged that Thatcher, Major and Blair all did talk to the IRA and we ended up with the Good Friday agreement and 20 years of relative peace.
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