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Post by Better things to do in life on May 10, 2019 12:21:39 GMT
Great piece by Oliver that hits all the buttons about players giving 100% to play good football at JWW and mentions a couple of old favourites whilst being realistic about who we are and where we are by not expecting an immediate return to NL.
Well done Oliver!
Now we just need JS2 to give us some good news about signing some of the exciting prospects being discussed on other threads!
COYS!
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Post by hammerstone on May 10, 2019 13:02:11 GMT
The fact his words were we should aim for a playoff place rather than win the league speaks volumes, business wise I think he would be happy for us to stay here for a few seasons minimum
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Post by jdl on May 10, 2019 13:09:35 GMT
With the play-off places being nearly a third of the table, we more or less have to aim for them!
The 'problem' is, having got there, but not really wanting to be promoted, what do we do?
The NL could make our lives a lot easier by just banning 3G in the NL...
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Post by Better things to do in life on May 10, 2019 13:57:36 GMT
With the play-off places being nearly a third of the table, we more or less have to aim for them! The 'problem' is, having got there, but not really wanting to be promoted, what do we do? The NL could make our lives a lot easier by just banning 3G in the NL... SSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHH they may hear you.
Its coming anyway. Too much BS in EFL and NL about their precious players "having to be rested" or "unable to play" in case 3G aggravates their injuries, the poor loves.
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Post by 61666 on May 10, 2019 14:02:41 GMT
Given that we are worse at home than away, it makes you wonder. However, the business model is far more important, so hopefully HH and JS can get them playing on plastic.
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Post by Better things to do in life on May 10, 2019 14:23:12 GMT
Given that we are worse at home than away, it makes you wonder. However, the business model is far more important, so hopefully HH and JS can get them playing on plastic. and gravy and soup and sand..........we are back at NLS grounds this year don't forget
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Post by daveu on May 10, 2019 14:25:07 GMT
With the play-off places being nearly a third of the table, we more or less have to aim for them! The 'problem' is, having got there, but not really wanting to be promoted, what do we do? As I said in a previous thread, if it happens it happens. Better to be a yo-yo club than deliberately avoid promotion.
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Post by Nick on May 10, 2019 15:23:56 GMT
As you know Daveu, the club will not deliberately avoid promotion. Oliver may well be happy enough if we achieve a player off position next season but I think his happiness level will take off if we managed to go one better.
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Post by daveu on May 10, 2019 16:28:25 GMT
As you know Daveu, the club will not deliberately avoid promotion. Oliver may well be happy enough if we achieve a player off position next season but I think his happiness level will take off if we managed to go one better. However JDL or whatever he's calling himself these days seems obsessed with not getting promoted, and unfortunately I feel compelled to pull him up on it.
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Post by jdl on May 11, 2019 9:15:04 GMT
As you know Daveu, the club will not deliberately avoid promotion. Oliver may well be happy enough if we achieve a player off position next season but I think his happiness level will take off if we managed to go one better. However JDL or whatever he's calling himself these days seems obsessed with not getting promoted, and unfortunately I feel compelled to pull him up on it. I'm obsessed? You seem determined to misunderstand my posts, no matter how I try to explain myself! My point is not about our ambition, it's about the catch 22 situation we are in in the NS. It's a smaller division than the NL, so the fact that there are still 7 playoff places has a bigger impact. Add to that the fact that we are a big club by NS standards and will be expected to do well, and you get a situation where we really don't have any choice about where we end up. Effectively, this means that anything less than a playoff position will be seen as a failure. So, whether we think we should try to go straight back up, or not, we will still, almost certainly, end up in the playoffs. And then what? No club is going no settle for not trying to win the playoffs, so, whether we wanted to go straight back up or not, we could easily find ourselves back in the NS. We either don't do well in the NS or we effectively challenge for promotion, there isn't really any other choice. Not doing well in the NS isn't an option.
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Post by daveu on May 11, 2019 9:48:34 GMT
However JDL or whatever he's calling himself these days seems obsessed with not getting promoted, and unfortunately I feel compelled to pull him up on it. I'm obsessed? You seem determined to misunderstand my posts, no matter how I try to explain myself! My point is not about our ambition, it's about the catch 22 situation we are in in the NS. It's a smaller division than the NL, so the fact that there are still 7 playoff places has a bigger impact. Add to that the fact that we are a big club by NS standards and will be expected to do well, and you get a situation where we really don't have any choice about where we end up. Effectively, this means that anything less than a playoff position will be seen as a failure. So, whether we think we should try to go straight back up, or not, we will still, almost certainly, end up in the playoffs. And then what? No club is going no settle for not trying to win the playoffs, so, whether we wanted to go straight back up or not, we could easily find ourselves back in the NS. We either don't do well in the NS or we effectively challenge for promotion, there isn't really any other choice. Not doing well in the NS isn't an option. Yet you still keep saying we should spend a couple of years consolidating before going for promotion. Make up your mind.
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Post by Bernie on May 11, 2019 10:22:46 GMT
How many "full time" clubs are there in NLS? Promoted Torquay and play off Woking spring to mind. Plus Billericay, for who it didn't help, can't think why. Like not or not, there will be expectations of doing well. I hope we can use the extra fitness and training to our advantage, in a way we didn't in the NL.
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Post by jdl on May 11, 2019 21:03:48 GMT
I'm obsessed? You seem determined to misunderstand my posts, no matter how I try to explain myself! My point is not about our ambition, it's about the catch 22 situation we are in in the NS. It's a smaller division than the NL, so the fact that there are still 7 playoff places has a bigger impact. Add to that the fact that we are a big club by NS standards and will be expected to do well, and you get a situation where we really don't have any choice about where we end up. Effectively, this means that anything less than a playoff position will be seen as a failure. So, whether we think we should try to go straight back up, or not, we will still, almost certainly, end up in the playoffs. And then what? No club is going no settle for not trying to win the playoffs, so, whether we wanted to go straight back up or not, we could easily find ourselves back in the NS. We either don't do well in the NS or we effectively challenge for promotion, there isn't really any other choice. Not doing well in the NS isn't an option. Yet you still keep saying we should spend a couple of years consolidating before going for promotion. Make up your mind. I'm sure you understand perfectly the difference between what a person might think best and his understanding of the reality that that might not be possible.
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Post by Nick on May 11, 2019 21:10:36 GMT
At least that's cleared up any misunderstanding
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Post by jdl on May 11, 2019 21:13:56 GMT
How many "full time" clubs are there in NLS? Promoted Torquay and play off Woking spring to mind. Plus Billericay, for who it didn't help, can't think why. Like not or not, there will be expectations of doing well. I hope we can use the extra fitness and training to our advantage, in a way we didn't in the NL. Billericay will go the way of Gravesend. It's just a question of when - could be this season. Even Tamplin isn't daft enough to keep throwing his money away on mission impossible. Have Woking got the funds for another promotion attempt if they don't make it this time? I'd be more worried about the sides that came down with us. H&W seen determined to remain 'full-time' and get back up, and I would imagine Braintree will be equally determined. And then there's Aldershot, assuming they come down as well - they're not going to be happy being in the NS.
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