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Post by jdl on Nov 6, 2018 22:37:08 GMT
Nah, French Stone may be a wind up merchant but I don't believe he does it with any malice. You shuld see the PM he sent me recently! "I didn't want to reply to you on the forum because my vocabulary would have been too hot to handle !. I would like to tell you that you are a bare face liar and a prick !" And that's just the first two lines!
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Post by jakeyboi on Nov 7, 2018 8:14:09 GMT
Oh Daveu are you saying I,m a person full of malice. Better than being French! I,m about as French as you are
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Post by jdl on Nov 7, 2018 10:50:27 GMT
My lad is off school, and it's raining - so I'm forced to sit at the PC and...
So I've massaged Porky's numbers a bit.
Home vs away is slightly more complicated if you include draws. For instance, in 2014/15 (2nd season IP) we won 7 more at home, but drew 3 more away, and in the previous season, we drew 10 at home (!), compared to just 2 away. Points tell a slightly different story to just wins.
So here's Porky's table showing points difference for each season (+ is more home points, - is more away):
2012/13 (IS) -4
2013/14 (IP) 11
2014/15 (IP) 18
2015/16 (NS) -1
2016/17 (NL) 0
2017/18 (NL) 0
2018/19 (NL) so far -8
Conclusion? Apart from our IP years, we tend to do slightly better away, but there's not much in it (an average of only just over one point per season). It's more that we don't do as well at home as we should, than we do better away.
Why the IP years were so different I think was down to us just being a very good side at the time - and good sides will tend to do well at home.
We bossed the Isthmian (had it not been for DH's excellent run in the IS and the ridiculous number of home draws in our first IP season (we blew 20 points on games we could/should have won), we would have had three consecutive championships. But, once in the NS, we found our natural level (play-off standard), and fluked a promotion to the NL - where we now struggle. And perhaps struggling teams don't do well at home because they are not doing well generally?
That's not the whole story, obviously, we should still do better at home than we do, but we aren't as atypical as it sometimes seems. Why we don't do so well at home is, I suspect, a mixture of things - pressure of expections, narrow pitch, perhaps the 3G - who knows? But, once we get playing well again, I think we'll start to do well at home again too.
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Post by Bernie on Jan 6, 2019 17:07:43 GMT
Here's another mad theory for the mix. We train on the same pitch we play on. Remember that recent picture of skipping and laughter, post HW's sacking? The players subconsciously associate the Gallagher with team bonding and relaxed training. As an experiment it would be interesting to pay for training facilities elsewhere, on grass. Then work on psychologically associating the Gallagher with serious hard work. Maybe the whole set up is just too nice and cosy.
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Post by shamstone on Jan 6, 2019 19:47:49 GMT
We play better on grass than the 3G. I’m sure someone will have the stats. Why don’t we get rid of he 3G. Just saying
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Post by Sennockian69 on Jan 6, 2019 23:47:00 GMT
For me it's more about mental toughness- Can we deliver where expectations are higher?
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Post by tim on Jan 7, 2019 9:50:28 GMT
We play better on grass than the 3G. I’m sure someone will have the stats. Why don’t we get rid of he 3G. Just saying Because without the 3G income we’d never have built the stadium and we’d probably be out of business again If my some chance we could afford to lay grass, our budget would get us relegated quicker than we’re trying at the moment Remember the ground and the new stand still needs paying for Most clubs at our level had stadiums with the needed capacity already
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Post by Nick on Jan 7, 2019 10:17:36 GMT
Thanks for that Tim You state the obvious so why is it that some supporters still don't get it ?
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Post by tim on Jan 7, 2019 10:22:52 GMT
I edited that post before sending, it was originally put a little more ‘bluntly’ sometimes the obvious needs repeating as some just don’t get it!
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Post by Bernie on Jan 7, 2019 11:17:31 GMT
Which begs the question, why doesn't every non league team have 3G? It probably costs about £100,000 a year, if you spread out installation costs. A figure of £500,000 a year income has been claimed. Some of that will be savings of not hiring training facilities. But does the pitch really bring in £1369 per day? Again, if that's the case, why doesn't every club have one?
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Post by Better things to do in life on Jan 7, 2019 11:41:04 GMT
Again, at risk of stating the obvious, 1) Not every NON-League club has the guts or money to go for 3G and 2) The English Leagues and FA are still snotty about them. Stones are pioneers, and that's something to be proud of and to fight for. 3G is our business model so lets continue to fight for it to be accepted at all levels of the game.
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Post by gromley on Jan 7, 2019 13:16:16 GMT
We play better on grass than the 3G. I’m sure someone will have the stats. Given that the vast majority of the games we have played on 3g have also suffered from being played at JWW -it's hard to think what useful stats there might be.
Our results in El Plastico though are interesting
Home
P 4 W 1 D 1 L 2 GF 3 GA 4 Away P 3 W 2 D 1 L 0 GF 7 GA 3
Our record at Gander Green Lane is all the more impressive when you consider the comparative seasons we and Sutton have had.
There you have it; proof positive that we can play on 3G.
Just not at home - I think that's down to the SHP:MOG ratio.
(Shiny Happy People : Miserable Old Gits)
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Post by daveu on Jan 7, 2019 15:51:38 GMT
We play better on grass than the 3G. I’m sure someone will have the stats. Given that the vast majority of the games we have played on 3g have also suffered from being played at JWW -it's hard to think what useful stats there might be. Our results in El Plastico though are interesting Home
P 4 W 1 D 1 L 2 GF 3 GA 4 Away P 3 W 2 D 1 L 0 GF 7 GA 3 Our record at Gander Green Lane is all the more impressive when you consider the comparative seasons we and Sutton have had. There you have it; proof positive that we can play on 3G. Just not at home - I think that's down to the SHP:MOG ratio. (Shiny Happy People : Miserable Old Gits)
We set up to play on the counter, which is great away from home when the opposition is more or less expected to make the running. Unfortunately it doesn't work at home when the opposition is set up to draw us out and then hit us on the counter. Maybe that's why the majority of home games have been so bloody awful to watch.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Jan 7, 2019 17:27:36 GMT
Absolutely. We need to be on the front foot, attack more, have more possession and be on the offensive at the Gallagher. The moment a visiting team senses we are on the back foot at home it encourages them and they take over the game. Seen it happen too many times!
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Post by jdl on Jan 7, 2019 22:37:45 GMT
The more I think about this, the more I think I got it right in my Nov 7 post (above):
"Apart from our IP years, we tend to do slightly better away, but there's not much in it (an average of only just over one point per season). It's more that we don't do as well at home as we should, (rather) than we do better away.
Why the IP years were so different I think was down to us just being a very good side at the time - and good sides will tend to do well at home.
We bossed the Isthmian (had it not been for DH's excellent run in the IS and the ridiculous number of home draws in our first IP season (we blew 20 points on games we could/should have won), we would have had three consecutive championships. But, once in the NS, we found our natural level (play-off standard), and fluked a promotion to the NL - where we now struggle. And perhaps struggling teams don't do well at home because they are not doing well generally?
That's not the whole story, obviously, we should still do better at home than we do, but we aren't as atypical as it sometimes seems. Why we don't do so well at home is, I suspect, a mixture of things - pressure of expections, narrow pitch, perhaps the 3G - who knows? But, once we get playing well again, I think we'll start to do well at home again too."
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