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Post by Benny on Oct 27, 2018 19:53:28 GMT
Although we made some basic errors, Solihull are a good side, deserving of their current position.
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Post by exiled on Oct 27, 2018 19:57:06 GMT
What are you talking about when you say we are playing Saunders football, to my mind that is 3 promotions and a couple of cups, is that how well we played today with Harry’s team? Totally agree Toon. Not knowing the ins and outs of the clubs politics I think that it was a big mistake to let Jay go. He put this club in the position it is now for good or bad and as I have said before a step too far too soon. Wheeler is new and has been given even more funds to strengthen the team than Jay had to play with but he still cannot come up with results - early days I know. Just watched his post match interview , after the Solihull game, and still not convinced by him , his management team and all their hype - hope to be proved wrong - Soon ? Whatever, beats the days in the mud at Ashford ? COYStones. So if I understand this right people aren't going to be happy with Harry unless he gets promoted to the championship ( 3 promotions) what a load of bollocks
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Post by daveu on Oct 27, 2018 20:00:35 GMT
No manager can live with the bad goals we conceded today with the exception of WDH the defence was appalling find it a bit rich when people come on here who did not see game against Orient and start having a pop about new manager today was not good but don't judge him on one game. Maybe it's those who saw the Orient game who are judging him on one game. Apart from Orient I've seen all the homes and a couple of aways since Harry started so can hardly be accused of judging him on one game. So far, apart from a marginal improvement in fitness, we are indistinguishable from Saunders' team.
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Post by maxthestone on Oct 27, 2018 20:13:53 GMT
No manager can live with the bad goals we conceded today with the exception of WDH the defence was appalling find it a bit rich when people come on here who did not see game against Orient and start having a pop about new manager today was not good but don't judge him on one game. Maybe it's those who saw the Orient game who are judging him on one game. Apart from Orient I've seen all the homes and a couple of aways since Harry started so can hardly be accused of judging him on one game. So far, apart from a marginal improvement in fitness, we are indistinguishable from Saunders' team. thats what i was trying to say themidfield has improved and the attack looks better but the constant long balls have stayed the same
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 20:18:14 GMT
Way too early to be on Harry's back it's almost an unrecognisable side from Saunders team which has undergone mass personnel change and had no opportunity to settle. Its expected to hit the ground running which is unrealistic. There is clearly more energy in the side and they don't give up anywhere near as easy as they rolled over in the later months of Jay Saunders time.
There is inconsistency and the defence today was a joke and even the best player Finney is often a liability.
Personally I like Walton and the other additions a little more of the ugly and far less of the nieve.
Today was a shambles defensively. But it's a matter of time before it turns around
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Post by stonepaperscissors on Oct 27, 2018 20:20:22 GMT
You are right - last week everyone said brilliant, bring on the next game. Well said- I went to both- Last week we were all happy, this week we are all over the show - the first goal so quickly spooked the team, hence the 2nd...From then on we were kicking at a and missing a barn door. We go again on Tuesday! COYS. And guess what, if we beat Ebbsfleet Tuesday, those same people will say: Get in there - Wheeler is really turning things around!
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Post by 61666 on Oct 27, 2018 20:38:59 GMT
And there's the rub. Fans can be very fickle! Personally, having not seen Stones for the best part of two months, it was disappointing to find things had not changed much. Better fitness, plus a bit of grit from Walton, bit otherwise the same mistakes and the same lack of penitration up front. Must be galling for a manager to set a team only to find everything goes belly up in the first five minutes. Personally, thought we matched them and maybe more for the rest of the first half. Also don't think they are anything special. We gave them three goals, but otherwise, Worgan didn't have that much to do and the way they kept hitting balls out of play was poor; their style of play wasn't any better than ours - they just didn't gift three goals. Where I do criticise Harry Wheeler is his overall game plan. Assuming he's had them watched, then one would think there is little point in trying to play the same game as a side with two stone more muscle per player than yours. We have quick, mobile players who can move the ball on the ground, but didn't use them anything like enough, especially in the second half. If I can see that, I would hope a qualified coach could as well. Ultimately, we played right into their hands and they must be laughing all the way back to Brum at our naiveity. And that is what is most annoying of all.
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Post by moley on Oct 27, 2018 20:39:27 GMT
Well said- I went to both- Last week we were all happy, this week we are all over the show - the first goal so quickly spooked the team, hence the 2nd...From then on we were kicking at a and missing a barn door. We go again on Tuesday! COYS. And guess what, if we beat Ebbsfleet Tuesday, those same people will say: Get in there - Wheeler is really turning things around! The realist in me says , of course 50% sheisse 50% half decent, so if we get 3 points Tuesday or Saturday then all will be good ,the problem is, the current style of play isnt particularly entertaining IF it doesnt work
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Post by nigelgm on Oct 27, 2018 20:39:53 GMT
Not sure the midfield were any better Powell & Muldoon non existent in the game created nothing for the forwards either
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Post by fleetphil on Oct 27, 2018 20:40:31 GMT
Worgan needs replacing. Ashmore from Ebbsfleet please. That was a shocking team performance. Too expensive for you Rob, at 4k a stone......
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Post by bermudastone on Oct 27, 2018 20:56:17 GMT
No manager can live with the bad goals we conceded today with the exception of WDH the defence was appalling find it a bit rich when people come on here who did not see game against Orient and start having a pop about new manager today was not good but don't judge him on one game. Maybe it's those who saw the Orient game who are judging him on one game. Apart from Orient I've seen all the homes and a couple of aways since Harry started so can hardly be accused of judging him on one game. So far, apart from a marginal improvement in fitness, we are indistinguishable from Saunders' team. Yes.
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Post by sword65 on Oct 27, 2018 23:35:11 GMT
I was at the game today and all I can say is we lost to a mediocre side . After last week's heroics today was just disappointing I will not say we were bad but the consistent long balls to their massive centre half was never going to work and yet we kept on trying it. My main criticism of Saunders was that he had no plan B today I am not sure we had a plan A . With money being tight I cannot justify spending shitloads of money going to Gravesend & Northfleet especially if we are going to carry on as we did today. I hope for all of you that go we play a lot better.
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Post by jdl on Oct 28, 2018 2:21:22 GMT
And there's the rub. Fans can be very fickle! Personally, having not seen Stones for the best part of two months, it was disappointing to find things had not changed much. Better fitness, plus a bit of grit from Walton, bit otherwise the same mistakes and the same lack of penitration up front. Must be galling for a manager to set a team only to find everything goes belly up in the first five minutes. Personally, thought we matched them and maybe more for the rest of the first half. Also don't think they are anything special. We gave them three goals, but otherwise, Worgan didn't have that much to do and the way they kept hitting balls out of play was poor; their style of play wasn't any better than ours - they just didn't gift three goals. Where I do criticise Harry Wheeler is his overall game plan. Assuming he's had them watched, then one would think there is little point in trying to play the same game as a side with two stone more muscle per player than yours. We have quick, mobile players who can move the ball on the ground, but didn't use them anything like enough, especially in the second half. If I can see that, I would hope a qualified coach could as well. Ultimately, we played right into their hands and they must be laughing all the way back to Brum at our naiveity. And that is what is most annoying of all. Good post - and pretty much what I was thinking as I watched the inevitable unfold in the second half. All Solihull had was big, fast players, and a game-plan to attack us as hard as they could for the first ten minutes. And it worked - probably a lot better than they expected. But it nearly didn't. Despite being knocked for six by the first goal and almost immediately conceding a second, we rallied and fought back, and replied almost immediately. The psychology of the game instantly went from overwhelming dominance by Solihull, to rapid recovery from us. After Turgott's goal, they had nothing much else to offer, and we looked likely to score again and quite possibly to win the game. They outmuscled (and out-cheated) us, and kept running, but we had the skill and the control, and looked the better side. Had Turgott's 'second' not hit the bar, we would have been watching a very different game. But, instead of using our almost instant recovery to our advantage, we failed to even come close to scoring another goal, and, inevitably, eventually cocked things up yet again and let in a third. And that, to my mind, is the key - not that the defence cocked up (shit happens), but that we failed to score again, or even look like we might. We are STILL almost entirely dependent on one player to score goals. What the f**k happens when he is injured or suspended? From the games I've seen this season, I think the defence Harry has constructed is better than we had before (today was an aberration) and the midfield is certainly an improvement. But, to state the bleedin' obvious - if we don't score goals, we won't win games. We need to play to our strengths - get the ball down, and pass it (not just lump it) - we have the talent to match or beat most teams in this league, we're just not using it. But we also need players up front capable of turning possession and passing into goals, and at the moment, I only see one of those - and he is all too often having to drop back too far to get the ball himself - even Turgott can't be in two places at once.
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Post by sword65 on Oct 28, 2018 4:48:59 GMT
And there's the rub. Fans can be very fickle! Personally, having not seen Stones for the best part of two months, it was disappointing to find things had not changed much. Better fitness, plus a bit of grit from Walton, bit otherwise the same mistakes and the same lack of penitration up front. Must be galling for a manager to set a team only to find everything goes belly up in the first five minutes. Personally, thought we matched them and maybe more for the rest of the first half. Also don't think they are anything special. We gave them three goals, but otherwise, Worgan didn't have that much to do and the way they kept hitting balls out of play was poor; their style of play wasn't any better than ours - they just didn't gift three goals. Where I do criticise Harry Wheeler is his overall game plan. Assuming he's had them watched, then one would think there is little point in trying to play the same game as a side with two stone more muscle per player than yours. We have quick, mobile players who can move the ball on the ground, but didn't use them anything like enough, especially in the second half. If I can see that, I would hope a qualified coach could as well. Ultimately, we played right into their hands and they must be laughing all the way back to Brum at our naiveity. And that is what is most annoying of all. Good post - and pretty much what I was thinking as I watched the inevitable unfold in the second half. All Solihull had was big, fast players, and a game-plan to attack us as hard as they could for the first ten minutes. And it worked - probably a lot better than they expected. But it nearly didn't. Despite being knocked for six by the first goal and almost immediately conceding a second, we rallied and fought back, and replied almost immediately. The psychology of the game instantly went from overwhelming dominance by Solihull, to rapid recovery from us. After Turgott's goal, they had nothing much else to offer, and we looked likely to score again and quite possibly to win the game. They outmuscled (and out-cheated) us, and kept running, but we had the skill and the control, and looked the better side. Had Turgott's 'second' not hit the bar, we would have been watching a very different game. But, instead of using our almost instant recovery to our advantage, we failed to even come close to scoring another goal, and, inevitably, eventually cocked things up yet again and let in a third. And that, to my mind, is the key - not that the defence cocked up (shit happens), but that we failed to score again, or even look like we might. We are STILL almost entirely dependent on one player to score goals. What the f**k happens when he is injured or suspended? From the games I've seen this season, I think the defence Harry has constructed is better than we had before (today was an aberration) and the midfield is certainly an improvement. But, to state the bleedin' obvious - if we don't score goals, we won't win games. We need to play to our strengths - get the ball down, and pass it (not just lump it) - we have the talent to match or beat most teams in this league, we're just not using it. But we also need players up front capable of turning possession and passing into goals, and at the moment, I only see one of those - and he is all too often having to drop back too far to get the ball himself - even Turgott can't be in two places at once. What are we going to do in January when someone comes in for Turgott and he trots off back to the EFL? We need to get points on the board NOW .
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Post by porkystone on Oct 28, 2018 7:01:11 GMT
On a slightly different tack, the 'World Soccer' articles in the programme continue to be of high quality, particularly enjoyed yesterday's on Jose Mourinho. The club is lucky to have David Sleight churning these out, top effort !
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