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Post by daveu on Nov 22, 2017 9:02:38 GMT
Thought we started brightly, fell behind to one of those horrible flukes you can't do anything about, but it was Reece's mistake that killed us. Too many key players missing highlighting your lack of strength in depth. Second half they were just to strong as both Jamar and Zavon faded leaving Pigs isolated. Richards looked decent when he came on, but apart from that, not may positives from the second half. Didn't think it was a penalty for the 4th but Magnus' reaction convinced the ref to give it. Overall a night to forget, but that's football. Having read Oliver's blog, finishing outside the playoffs wouldn't be the worst outcome we could have. It was a strange reaction wasn't it. Did I imagine it or did he stop and walk the other way (and pretty much tell the ref it was a penalty) when the ball was still on the pitch? I agree we seemed to start ok but brightly would be a bit more than I would give it. I thought we seemed to lack any real teamwork from the start. There was moments when someone made a good run but it ended in nothing. That's exactly what it looked like. He may as well have turned round and said "I just tripped him ref". |
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Post by pmhnot on Nov 22, 2017 9:15:27 GMT
Whoa !!! ... What's going on on this thread ? ... Am I seeing double ? ... NWS & DaveU agreeing on something ... And no hand bags flying about !!.
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Post by overthehillstone on Nov 22, 2017 10:21:53 GMT
The point that I was trying to raise when starting this thread was why is our home form so different from our away form, yes I know that we win some lose some, but our performances at home are nowhere near as good as the away ones. And by the way I do not want another promotion just yet, too many big jumps too soon will backfire sooner or later.
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Post by jdl on Nov 22, 2017 10:29:56 GMT
And I thought this be the end of JDL's boring stats. How wrong can be be. They are not 'my' boring stats, they're just the stats - easily found with a few seconds browsing. I just brought them together to make the point that this isn't just the 'usual' "how weird is that, we're better away" thing. What's going on this season is really strange. But if you find that boring, so be it. And, judging by the 'likes', you're in good company... |
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Post by daveu on Nov 22, 2017 10:33:08 GMT
The point that I was trying to raise when starting this thread was why is our home form so different from our away form, yes I know that we win some lose some, but our performances at home are nowhere near as good as the away ones. And by the way I do not want another promotion just yet, too many big jumps too soon will backfire sooner or later. I raised a point the other day (can't remember what topic) and was immediately shot down in flames, but I still think it's worth considering. People keep looking for reasons, everything from the way the opposition set up, to the Main Stand. Has anyone actually asked the players how they feel about playing on 3G. We all keep saying what a wonderful surface it is, and we can all see the advantages to the club and the community. But at the end of the day, is it really the same to play on as grass. It may not be any different from an injury perspective, but what about recovery times? What about the feel of it when you are actually running about and trying to play football on it? Do the players actually like playing on it? I'm not saying any of this is fact, but isn't it just as likely that the pitch affects the way we play as the setup of the opposition or the atmosphere or lack of it from the crowd? I'm not being anti-3G, but sometimes we are as blinkered to any criticism of it as the anti-3G lobby are to any praise. |
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Post by Nick on Nov 22, 2017 11:04:23 GMT
interesting point, I think you are saying what some others may be thinking, but does it make sense ?
opposition managers are always quick to point out the advantages to the Stones team on playing on 3G
a surface on which the team train on, practice and play on 3/4 times a week, to the disadvantage of away teams - Yea right !
and yet when the Stones revert to playing on grass, typically they seem to play so much better
then we have a pattern of results emerge where we demonstrate more success away from home
it would not be too surprising if psychologically the players feel more confident playing away than at home
but does that mean they prefer playing on grass ? I don't think so, it just doesn't make sense !
I think they will be happiest playing wherever they get the best results and at the moment that happens to be on grass
it's a trend that needs to change because 3G at the Gallagher isn't going anywhere and quite right too !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 11:09:18 GMT
It's not just that we're not a good at home, and better away, it's that we're VERY good away and absolute shite at home. The difference is bizarre: Home form: 11 3 6 2 - 15 points from a possible 33 (1.4 pts/game) Away form: 9 6 0 3 - 18 points from a possible 27 (2 pts/game) Relegation form at home, promotion form away. How the hell does anyone explain that?! 1.4 points per game isn't relegation form... |
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Post by jdl on Nov 22, 2017 11:11:19 GMT
Well, here's a thing - I did the stats, and we DON'T have the biggest difference between home and away performance.
Macclesfield actually do even better away than at home than us!
So, it's not peculiar to us, it's not 3G, it's not our fans expecting too much at home - it's just odd. Bloody odd, but normal.
If you want the stats, here they are:
Macclesfield Town -0.65
Maidstone United -0.64
Hartlepool United -0.24
Sutton United -0.16
Solihull Moors -0.14
Torquay United -0.13
Boreham Wood -0.05
Dover Athletic 0.07
Chester 0.08
Leyton Orient 0.19
Bromley 0.20
Maidenhead United 0.23
AFC Fylde 0.24
Eastleigh 0.27
Wrexham 0.30
Aldershot Town 0.30
Guiseley 0.50
Ebbsfleet United 0.51
FC Halifax Town 0.59
Gateshead 0.64
Barrow 0.67
Tranmere Rovers 0.70
Woking 1.09
Dagenham & Redbridge 1.37
The number is the difference between points per game, home and away - the bigger the minus figure, the better you do away, the bigger the plus, the better you do at home.
So, D&R and Woking do a lot better at home, and Macc and us do a lot better away. For most teams there isn't much difference.
In technical terms, we are at one end of a normal probability distribution, but nothing worse than that.
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Post by pmhnot on Nov 22, 2017 11:39:27 GMT
I have been on a long night shift and I can't take too much of all those statistics or I will have nightmares!!.😉😂
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Post by headstone on Nov 22, 2017 13:03:07 GMT
Simply outplayed by a better team tonight and also a weakened side, especially in midfield. Yes, we were missing Wynter, Reason and DSY, you could say the spine of the team. Finney had a 'mare without Wynter beside him. However, it was also a good evening, as we chatted with club legend Micky Angel (1965 - 72) in the VP lounge. Apparently his first visit to the Gallagher, as he normally watches Tonbridge (as they are nearer to his home). |
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Post by pedant on Nov 22, 2017 14:12:26 GMT
It's not just that we're not a good at home, and better away, it's that we're VERY good away and absolute shite at home. The difference is bizarre: Home form: 11 3 6 2 - 15 points from a possible 33 (1.4 pts/game) Away form: 9 6 0 3 - 18 points from a possible 27 (2 pts/game) Relegation form at home, promotion form away. How the hell does anyone explain that?! 1.4 points a game - for all 46 games - would net us 64 points. That hasn't been relegation form for at least the last 10 years.
Sorry - should have read the whole thread before responding.
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Post by nws on Nov 23, 2017 0:01:49 GMT
And I thought this be the end of JDL's boring stats. How wrong can be be. They are not 'my' boring stats, they're just the stats - easily found with a few seconds browsing. I just brought them together to make the point that this isn't just the 'usual' "how weird is that, we're better away" thing. What's going on this season is really strange. But if you find that boring, so be it. And, judging by the 'likes', you're in good company... Yes, Sennockian. You get a degree-qualified economist and qualified teacher. Well done on your likes, jdl. |
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Post by nws on Nov 23, 2017 0:02:39 GMT
It's not just that we're not a good at home, and better away, it's that we're VERY good away and absolute shite at home. The difference is bizarre: Home form: 11 3 6 2 - 15 points from a possible 33 (1.4 pts/game) Away form: 9 6 0 3 - 18 points from a possible 27 (2 pts/game) Relegation form at home, promotion form away. How the hell does anyone explain that?! 1.4 points per game isn't relegation form... Can't you and jdl just get a room? |
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Post by nws on Nov 23, 2017 0:05:33 GMT
Whoa !!! ... What's going on on this thread ? ... Am I seeing double ? ... NWS & DaveU agreeing on something ... And no hand bags flying about !!. We like to agree now and then. Some take it serious and think it is real. We don't like to alarm them. Anyway, I'm sure we'll be back to some argument about 1.4pts or something soon...  |
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Post by hongkongstone on Nov 23, 2017 1:57:46 GMT
It's not just that we're not a good at home, and better away, it's that we're VERY good away and absolute shite at home. The difference is bizarre: Home form: 11 3 6 2 - 15 points from a possible 33 (1.4 pts/game) Away form: 9 6 0 3 - 18 points from a possible 27 (2 pts/game) Relegation form at home, promotion form away. How the hell does anyone explain that?! 1.4 points a game - for all 46 games - would net us 64 points. That hasn't been relegation form for at least the last 10 years.
Sorry - should have read the whole thread before responding.
Typically in most leagues with 3 or 4 relegation places then the target must be to better 1.1 points per game. I will let JDL do the analysis on this one. |
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