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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2015 21:38:14 GMT
It's gone very quiet on this thread Thread killer.
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Post by nws on Dec 29, 2015 22:21:33 GMT
I think the thread has been killed for DaveU, as he has waded on here, made a schoolboy error in reading, been found out and has now scuttled off. No word of apology for calling my posting idiotic when it was perfectly logical, given what he had said. Such sad and pathetic behaviour.
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Post by Tstone on Dec 29, 2015 22:41:40 GMT
Who stole the scoreboard? More to the point - what was the final score, I lost count?
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Post by toonarmy on Dec 29, 2015 22:44:17 GMT
NWS won by wearing down the opposition to the point of exhaustion
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Post by Sennockian69 on Dec 29, 2015 23:14:51 GMT
It's a familiar tactic that works.
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Post by Tstone on Dec 30, 2015 7:46:52 GMT
It's a familiar tactic that works. No plan 'B' then!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 9:33:41 GMT
Some statto type should analyse discussions beyond page one to discover who the thread killers are.
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Post by jt on Dec 30, 2015 9:39:01 GMT
NWS and Daveu having a love in should be a odds on winner
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Post by nws on Dec 30, 2015 11:48:04 GMT
Who stole the scoreboard? More to the point - what was the final score, I lost count? I won by being correct. Dave U retreated because he knew he was well in the wrong and a little aggressive. All others were just my followers hanging on my coattails (as per usual)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 14:36:27 GMT
The club's finances are in the public domain. Also, the directors have publicly stated how much they believe it will cost to upgrade the stadium. This is not guesswork Dave, anyone can read the accounts on the 'Company Check' website. It is not unreasonable for me as a supporter, given what we do know, to have the opinion that spending money on an expensive scoreboard that may take quite a while to pay for itself, isn't the best use of club funds at the present time. I am allowed that opinion. If it is not shared by Terry and Oliver then so be it. As it happens nobody seems to like the darned thing and a good portion of supporters can't see it anyway so I doubt they will choose to keep it. I doubt that future income projections, sponsorship deals etc are in the public domain. We don't know for example if someone has come forward to sponsor a scoreboard, or even pay for one outright. The club would be foolish to announce something like that until it is all signed and sealed. As you say, we only know what is in the public domain which is basically existing or past performance. Personally I don't understand why people don't like the scoreboard. Admittedly the trial one was somewhat overstated and in the wrong position, but a good well sited scoreboard would, in my opinion, be an attractive addition to the ground if we can afford it. Sometimes in life it's OK to do things because you want to rather than because you need to. Future income projections are educated guesswork based on current finances, growth potential of hiring out facilities, crowds etc. and progression on the pitch - I could make as good a guess as the directors at that, since nobody really has the foggiest if truth be told. I wish I had a crystal ball for my own business so I could know what I'll be making in two years time, but sadly, they don't really exist! I remember having a chat with Oliver once about what crowds we might get when we moved back to Maidstone. he thought it would be around 800 - 900. I told him I thought it might be more like 1000 - 1100 and he was surprised I thought it would be that high. We all know how far out we both were - the truth is, you just never really know. It always amuses me when I watch Dragon's Den to hear the future projections people come up with for their ideas - most of it is pure fantasy. Naturally you are faced, from time to time, in any business with trying to decide whether you invest money to try and make more money, or stick with what you're doing in the knowledge you are doing pretty well as it is. At MUFC this is a decision only the directors can take, of course. The club is making a good operating profit but at present levels (around 200K) it will take 5 - 8 years to save enough money to build the stand we need for promotion (plus of course the pitch will need replacing during that time) and so other options are being looked at, as we know because Terry has said so publicly. Now, those 'future projections' might say that the 200K will increase in various ways (e.g. by increasing the use / hire of the magnificent conference and meeting facilities we have at the club now, through marketing) but in essence, what I'm saying is that if it were down to me I'd be saving the cash and not spending it on anything we don't really need. As it happens we don't even know if they ever intended to actually buy a scoreboard as it is possible (I have mentioned this before and nobody seems to know whether this is the case) a third-party company is offering the board on the basis that they can run the ads themselves. They might even be paying the club for the privilege of having it in the ground. If someone who knows could answer that question, it would help this debate a lot.
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Post by preciousstone on Dec 30, 2015 17:01:27 GMT
I doubt that future income projections, sponsorship deals etc are in the public domain. We don't know for example if someone has come forward to sponsor a scoreboard, or even pay for one outright. The club would be foolish to announce something like that until it is all signed and sealed. As you say, we only know what is in the public domain which is basically existing or past performance. Personally I don't understand why people don't like the scoreboard. Admittedly the trial one was somewhat overstated and in the wrong position, but a good well sited scoreboard would, in my opinion, be an attractive addition to the ground if we can afford it. Sometimes in life it's OK to do things because you want to rather than because you need to. Future income projections are educated guesswork based on current finances, growth potential of hiring out facilities, crowds etc. and progression on the pitch - I could make as good a guess as the directors at that, since nobody really has the foggiest if truth be told. I wish I had a crystal ball for my own business so I could know what I'll be making in two years time, but sadly, they don't really exist! I remember having a chat with Oliver once about what crowds we might get when we moved back to Maidstone. he thought it would be around 800 - 900. I told him I thought it might be more like 1000 - 1100 and he was surprised I thought it would be that high. We all know how far out we both were - the truth is, you just never really know. It always amuses me when I watch Dragon's Den to hear the future projections people come up with for their ideas - most of it is pure fantasy. Naturally you are faced, from time to time, in any business with trying to decide whether you invest money to try and make more money, or stick with what you're doing in the knowledge you are doing pretty well as it is. At MUFC this is a decision only the directors can take, of course. The club is making a good operating profit but at present levels (around 200K) it will take 5 - 8 years to save enough money to build the stand we need for promotion (plus of course the pitch will need replacing during that time) and so other options are being looked at, as we know because Terry has said so publicly. Now, those 'future projections' might say that the 200K will increase in various ways (e.g. by increasing the use / hire of the magnificent conference and meeting facilities we have at the club now, through marketing) but in essence, what I'm saying is that if it were down to me I'd be saving the cash and not spending it on anything we don't really need. As it happens we don't even know if they ever intended to actually buy a scoreboard as it is possible (I have mentioned this before and nobody seems to know whether this is the case) a third-party company is offering the board on the basis that they can run the ads themselves. They might even be paying the club for the privilege of having it in the ground. If someone who knows could answer that question, it would help this debate a lot. I have been reliably informed that the idea of a scoreboard is to 1. give the stadium the benefit of a high quality LED clock and scoreboard, 2. provide more sponsorship opportunities to new business partners, (there are hardly any left and the club want to keep linking up with new businesses for obvious reasons) 3 raise revenue by generating a >50% annual return on investment over several years.
The test of the mobile screen raised a few issues (like burnt retinas) which will hopefully be ironed out...Happy New Year to all xx
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Post by Ant on Dec 30, 2015 17:15:00 GMT
I have been reliably informed...
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Post by nws on Dec 30, 2015 17:34:04 GMT
You appear to have some doubts there, Ant.
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