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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2024 20:42:58 GMT
So we give the town end to away fans and keep the Genco for home fans!
Could any of you who thinks that could work explain to someone who is clearly stupid, how you get away fans into the town end without giving up the club bar and majority of turnstiles?
If you fence off the town end and keep the bar, you could only exit up the steps Genco end or in front of main stand (restricted gangway) this would mean H&S reducing the capacity of the Genco thus taking our capacity down to circa 2,500 because in any emergency you can’t evacuate the stadium
Yes the Genco ideally should’ve been the other end, however at the time the plan was to put changing rooms and clubhouse under that stand and funds wasn’t available to do that, so why build something that eventually would have to be changed!
And to answer a previous question, yes we have dialogue with the club, we have a supporters club that has regular meetings with the owners, any of you that are critical, members?
The Genco was going to be part seating until the supporters club got involved, so yes the owners listened to the supporters
So, yes Dave is right, but don’t let me and Dave get in the way of your muddled thinking!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2024 20:53:42 GMT
It would be quick cheap and easy to do. They just don’t want to.   |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2024 20:57:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2024 21:04:21 GMT
So where are you exiting the stadium? |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2024 22:01:05 GMT
Silly thing is if the Genco had been built at the Town End, we wouldnt be having this problem. Very difficult to do - all the buildings, fence, etc would have had to be moved. Whereas there was plenty of unused room at the Elvis End. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2024 22:25:06 GMT
In an emergency, away fans would exit via an emergency gate that would be part of the barrier between the bit behind the TE and the main entrance, which would be unlocked by stewards (and, of course, left open for unsegregated games), and everybody would exit as they do now. Under normal circumstances, away fans would exit via the riverside entrance.
There would be a potential problem of home and away fans mixing in the car park and in JWW, but many home fans would either stay for a drink, or exit via the Elvis End stairs, so this would only be a limited problem. And, if necessary, away fans could be held back for a few minutes, or home fans wouldn't be able to exit into the car park until the away fans had gone. Plenty of clubs do this sort of thing.
I don't think anyone (or at least most!) are suggesting that this would be cheap or easy (as well as the fencing/barriers/gates needed, it would also mean moving/duplicating at least some of the TE kiosk to somewhere else). But it is the only viable alternative - at least until we get a new TE (which could be decades away - if ever). The current situation creates the very problems it seeks to avoid - and gives a large chunk of our 'Kop' to away fans, so something really does have to be done.
It would be good to know how much this would cost and how much we made from the Cup run, then people would have a more realistic idea of what might/would be possible. Hopefully that would stop the current situation where fans are either fatalistic about the current situation continuing, until the fabled 'new investor' appears, or are becoming convinced that the board "don't understand/care". If there is no way of realistically understanding the situation the club is in, and what can and can't be done, this situation will only deteriorate.
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Post by jte on May 1, 2024 23:47:36 GMT
Some interesting ideas on how to deal with segregation from varying opinions. It seems an intractable problem, but it occurred to me that there is a simple solution that no one has thought of that may work. Perhaps for those games that are deemed as potential 'trouble' we could give the main stand to the away support. That way we could have the whole of the north stand as home support and keep the town end too. TBF most of the main stand supporters don't go away games, and I've never seen a single flare or smoke bomb thrown on the pitch or at away supporters from there either. They don'take a lot of noise either, unless it's to moan about the ref or something. Perhaps they could be given a free programme for the inconvenience of losing their seats for the odd match? Or a cup of hot cocoa and a blanket? Maybe put some deck chairs on the riverside ?
Just a thought, but surely worthy of consideration?
IMO, it's definitely a workable solution
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2024 4:32:29 GMT
So where are you exiting the stadium? This full sized road looks ideal. Just needs a clean up and a gate. £5,000?  Or the existing exit next to the control box. Or exactly the same gate I normally leave next to the Spitfire Lounge. You could even put a gate at the other end of the Elvis End leading to the new housing estate. The away fans would leave by the existing gate next to their turnstile. It would only be needed two or three times a season. Fans of clubs like Yeovil who enjoy hunting home fans in packs after the game would be held back for five or ten minutes. You can say you don’t like it. You can say you don’t want it. You can say you would rather the cup money was spent on player wages. You can say you tolerate the regular disorder and objects being thrown. You can say you don’t care if money is lost due to home and away fans avoiding attending due to the current set up. But you can’t say it can’t be done. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2024 4:41:28 GMT
Gillingham fans in the Genco sponsored hooligan section next season?  |
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Post by Dan on May 2, 2024 4:43:08 GMT
No hope Bernie
Didnt you read Tim's post ?
The matter is closed.
Classic Ostrich syndrome.
They don't identify with the problem, they don't accept responsibility for the problem.
They are part of the problem
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2024 4:45:40 GMT
So where are you exiting the stadium? This full sized road looks ideal. Just needs a clean up and a gate. £5,000? View AttachmentOr the existing exit next to the control box. Or exactly the same gate I normally leave next to the Spitfire Lounge. You could even put a gate at the other end of the Elvis End leading to the new housing estate. The away fans would leave by the existing gate next to their turnstile. It would only be needed two or three times a season. Fans of clubs like Yeovil who enjoy hunting home fans in packs after the game would be held back for five or ten minutes. You can say you don’t like it. You can say you don’t want it. You can say you would rather the cup money was spent on player wages. You can say you tolerate the regular disorder and objects being thrown. You can say you don’t care if money is lost due to home and away fans avoiding attending due to the current set up. But you can’t say it can’t be done. Nice one Bernie |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2024 4:50:21 GMT
Reading the rambling account of how we got to where we are with segregating the Genco and the rest.
Such muddled thinking, the club should have sorted this by now.
Heads in sand and stubbornness to non acceptance of past mistakes is at the root of it.
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Post by jackster on May 2, 2024 4:52:28 GMT
The mantra seems to be keep digging in this bloodly great hole.
No need to find a ladder to get out of it.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2024 4:54:54 GMT
At least you can understand by reading Tim's account why the segregation issue is in such a mess.
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Post by Dickie on May 2, 2024 5:02:19 GMT
Don't understand why anybody should be so fixated in giving the town stand to away support if the Genco Stand became an exclusive home to Stones fans.
Bernie's suggestion is far better than the status quo.
Yes you have to move temporary structures around, create secure passageways, spend some money (God forbid)
Honestly you would think some people want to spend all their time conjuring up excuses for getting it wrong in the first place.
We don't need excuses, just some nous to sort it.
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