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Post by jdl on Nov 16, 2023 23:50:12 GMT
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Post by sword65 on Nov 17, 2023 2:07:16 GMT
There are top clubs all over Europe doing the same thing as Everton,Man City and Chelsea if found guilty they will likely quit the league and set up a European super league with an anything goes policy.The premier league know that their competition could be devalued by such a move and £billions of TV revenue money would be lost to them which is why they will do f**k all about it. As for the NL,whose officials have already been seen to be corrupt,they will not Rock the boat because they could not afford to fight the legal actions that would doubtlessly ensue. We all wait with interest now on what this new independent football governing body will achieve and my own thoughts ate they will have their back pockets lined by the money men and will do sweet FA.
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Post by Benny on Nov 17, 2023 6:31:31 GMT
All we can do is take care of our own finances. Even if that means playing one level below where we think we deserve to be. Dover is a long range forecast for Ebbsfleet fans of what happens when the owner gets tired of throwing good money after bad. Would much rather be where we are right now.
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Post by jdl on Nov 17, 2023 11:06:36 GMT
Looking back at Dover's NL career - up to 20/21, when Parmenter threw his toys out of the pram big time (Dover's results were expunged, and they crashed out of the NL the following season), they actually did pretty well, finishing 8th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 14th and 11th. During three of those seasons, we finished 8, 11, and 10 places below them, only lasting 3 years, to their 8. Hard to believe now, but they were one of the NL 'big boys', regular top of mid-table and often challenging for the play-offs.
Looking at them now, struggling to stay in the NS for the second season running (they stayed up on GD last year), and with average gates around the 600 mark, it makes you wonder just how much Parmenter pumped into the club during its NL heyday.
When he furloughed the club during the Covid pandemic in early 2021, Parmenter said he'd spent "over £500,000 to keep them going" in the previous season, and had been "shelling out around £25,000 a week" for the previous two months (presumably, with no income) - that's about £1m over a season. Assuming these figures are accurate, Dover's 8 years in the NL cost him in the region of £4m - plus whatever it cost to get them there.
Presumably, he 'reasoned' that, having spent all that to get Dover to the NL, and having brought Gulag Crable up to EFL standard, the fans would turn up in their droves and magically make the club self-sufficient. But, with average gates of only 960 in their first NL season, and never getting higher than 1,353 at their most successful, surely, it must have occurred, even to someone as removed from reality as Parmenter, that this 'plan' wasn't going to work.
The reality is that Dover is (at best) an Isthmian Premier side, playing in front of crowds of 500 - and pissing north of £5m up the wall made no difference.
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Post by 61666 on Nov 17, 2023 13:16:41 GMT
Everton docked 10 points for financial shitgibbonry, including losing over £124 million over the last three years. Shocked by the penalty, apparently. Am guessing they are run by numpties, or Tories?
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Post by daveu on Nov 17, 2023 13:35:52 GMT
Not sure who the current owners are. Was Bill Kenwright until his death this year.
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Post by royalstone on Nov 17, 2023 16:28:33 GMT
Everton docked 10 points for financial shitgibbonry, including losing over £124 million over the last three years. Shocked by the penalty, apparently. Am guessing they are run by numpties, or Tories? Meanwhile City still remain unpunished ! Stinks of corruption Imho
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Post by sword65 on Nov 17, 2023 17:00:38 GMT
Everton docked 10 points for financial shitgibbonry, including losing over £124 million over the last three years. Shocked by the penalty, apparently. Am guessing they are run by numpties, or Tories? Meanwhile City still remain unpunished ! Stinks of corruption Imho The Premier league will survive if and when Everton go down but it cannot live without the champions. Corruption indeed!. What amazes me is that Everton last season made a loss of £124 ,000,000 , that's £19,000,000 more than the agreed acceptable losses. Since when has £105,000,000 been deemed an acceptable loss. This means on average the Premier league is running at a loss of £2.1billion per year. Just how can that be justified when lessr clubs are struggling to survive owing just £1,000's.Unbelievable Jeff 🤬
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Post by jdl on Nov 17, 2023 23:40:38 GMT
Spare a thought for Burnley - even when a club just 6 places above you gets 10 points deducted, you still find yourself bottom of the league!
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Post by Benny on Nov 18, 2023 5:15:20 GMT
Playing devil’s advocate for a moment, Everton’s wage bill is near the median for the EPL. They are in the middle of building a brand new stadium, whose £200,000,000 naming rights fell through when the Ukraine war began. You could criticise them for being too reliant on foreign money before it was banked. Maybe Manchester United deserve more opprobrium for spending over £200,000,000 on wages when Old Trafford is in such poor condition.
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Post by headstone on Nov 19, 2023 8:15:29 GMT
We all wait with interest now on what this new independent football governing body will achieve and my own thoughts ate they will have their back pockets lined by the money men and will do sweet FA. I was in Alton last month (Watercress Line gala) and went up to see Sweet FA’s grave, but the cemetery was chained shut!
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Post by jdl on Nov 19, 2023 13:19:30 GMT
We all wait with interest now on what this new independent football governing body will achieve and my own thoughts ate they will have their back pockets lined by the money men and will do sweet FA. I was in Alton last month (Watercress Line gala) and went up to see Sweet FA’s grave, but the cemetery was chained shut! This is no place for metaphors!
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Post by jdl on Nov 19, 2023 13:36:26 GMT
Sutton made the most of having the only home game yesterday - but it's not looking good... www.theguardian.com/football/2023/nov/18/sutton-cash-in-on-promotion-but-fear-prospect-of-relegationIf they do come back down, I think they're going to get a bit of a shock, even in the few years they've been in the EFL, the NL has got a lot harder, and they won't have their FAC money this time. They are still basically a NS side that got lucky. And maybe the same is true of FGR? They went up, like Salford, with almost a divine right to play in the EFL, but Salford have backers with deep pockets. If Dale Vince sticks to his 'sustainable club' schtick and doesn't fork out to keep them up, I think we'll be playing them again soon too. Back in the day, non-league clubs like Crawley and Stevenage had the time to build their support after promotion, but L2 is much more dog-eat-dog now, and clubs don't have that luxury any more. If you haven't got a sugar daddy, your days in the EFL are numbered. The only club to have (apparently) bucked this trend is Sword's old favourite, Wimbledon, but their owners never seem short of a few bob...
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Post by sword65 on Nov 19, 2023 15:41:02 GMT
Sutton made the most of having the only home game yesterday - but it's not looking good... www.theguardian.com/football/2023/nov/18/sutton-cash-in-on-promotion-but-fear-prospect-of-relegationIf they do come back down, I think they're going to get a bit of a shock, even in the few years they've been in the EFL, the NL has got a lot harder, and they won't have their FAC money this time. They are still basically a NS side that got lucky. And maybe the same is true of FGR? They went up, like Salford, with almost a divine right to play in the EFL, but Salford have backers with deep pockets. If Dale Vince sticks to his 'sustainable club' schtick and doesn't fork out to keep them up, I think we'll be playing them again soon too. Back in the day, non-league clubs like Crawley and Stevenage had the time to build their support after promotion, but L2 is much more dog-eat-dog now, and clubs don't have that luxury any more. If you haven't got a sugar daddy, your days in the EFL are numbered. The only club to have (apparently) bucked this trend is Sword's old favourite, Wimbledon, but their owners never seem short of a few bob... Come on Ramsgate knock Wimbleshite out of yhe cup ,let's all have a laugh😃 .
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Post by yorkshirestone on Nov 21, 2023 16:19:15 GMT
I want an answer to the big question. Are Wrexham fans still campaigning for a third promotion spot from the NL to replace three relegated from L2? Back to the P&S rules, I think that it wouldn't be a terrible thing to happen, but there would need to be safeguards in place not to make such regulation draconian as the sums in question are disproportionately smaller. The Owners & Directors test and say a quadrennial audit of governance for every club in the EFL might be a good thing too. That could flag up potential problems early doors and allow a club to be supported in turning things around.
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