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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2021 20:38:32 GMT
Malta has fully vaccinated a greater percentage of its population than us and Hungary is not far behind us And Hungary is using the Chinese Sinovac vaccine which only has 50.4% efficacy (if you believe the tests and having worked with China companies, testing always 'just' meets the minimum criteria, which for vaccines is 50%). They got it as a deal to 'approve' Sinovac in an attempt to give it some semblance of international credibility. They're using the Russian 'Sputnik' one as well. Lots of Hungarians don't trust the Chinese one (I've no idea why, or what evidence there is that there's anything wrong with it) and prefer to wait for Sputnik, even if that means a long delay. Hungary had it very easy with the first wave - possibly mainly because they shut their borders very early, although it might just have been luck. By the time my wife went over there last August, no precautions were being taken at all, except on the flight out, everyone was carrying on as if the virus had been defeated. She said at the time that she thoght the country was wide open for a second wave - and this proved to be an accurate prediction. This time their border controls and luck didn't save them and they had a catastrophic outbreak - followed by a really tight lockdown (schools have only just restarted). But they seem to have got their vaccination programme running well. Judging purely by comparing the experiences of the two sides of my family, they seem to be in about the same position we are. Hungarias are a funny lot, though, very prome to distrust and believing in conspiracy 'theories', so anything could happen. Also from personal experience, I know no one in this country who has died from Covid (although quite a few who've had it), but at least two of the Hungarians I know have died from it (one family member), and another family member is currently very sick with the virus. The only common factor appears to be that both people refused to accept they had the virus and refused to go to hospital until it was too late. From my experience, this is a very 'Hungarian' attitude. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2021 20:58:35 GMT
As for Mr 6's last point - try something on a limited scale and monitor the results before moving on - no argument with that. But I am concerned about the time allowed to monitor. They're allowing 5 weeks for this, but I don't know on what evidence. Looking back at the first lockdown, there was actually of plateau of 2 months or more before the figures started to go up - and then they went up very quickly. Which would suggest that the actual pause between steps should be a lot longer. For instance, schools started up again several weeks ago, and we have seen no rise in infections yet - despite school kids being one of the groups not vaccinated at all. We may just be lucky, and schools will turn out not to be a critical vector, especially with a lot of teachers now vaccinated. But, when you consider that the conduit of infection from school kids is via their parents, most of whom are not yet vaccinated, it is odd that there has been no increase in infections. I suspect that there is some sort of 'tipping point' - a critical mass of infections needed before the infection rate starts to rise significantly. And after a lockdown, the infection rate is so low that this takes some time to build up. So, if I'm right, we have two or three months before this tipping point is reached - we just have to hope that the rate of vaccinations is high enough to counter this, so we never reach the point where it takes off again. My gut feel is that we'll just make it, but we could be looking at a fragile one-goal lead as we go into added time... Let's cut to the chase - it's pointless to talk about a tipping point. Cases per day here have fallen from 15 to 1. The countdown to a relaxing of all restrictions is under way: 3-2-1... Comparing with the 1st lockdown is like comparing our pitch to Oldham's 1990s plastic one - with the vaccine rollout, totally different landscape. Most but not all secondary school kid are testing once or twice a week. Keep looking for doom there but just like Bournemouth beach it's not happening. I'd talk about herd immunity but I'd sound like a Tory backbencher. It's foreign travel that's the concern, probably for another 18-24 months. Meanwhile in March COVID was no longer the biggest killer in the UK - overtaken by Alzheimer's / dementia and reading JDL posts. In April cancer and heart disease will overtake it too - and stay there. BTW if the vaccine programme is so easy, how come your EU pals are f^cking it up so badly?
"My gut feel is that we'll just make it"
Ho hum. and it's me that has the agenda! As for the validity of comparing the end of the two lockdowns, the one thing that hasn't changed is the way vuruses work. Which is what I was discussing. Increased testing might have an impact, but judging from my kids' schools' experiences, hardly any kids have contracted the virus since they went back (two in one school, one in the other), so there's been no real chance to see if frequent testing makes any difference. The key to this low rate of infection is almost certainly simply that we live in an area with a very low rate of infection... And - as I get very tired of pointing out - the vaccine roll-out will have very little effect until we start vaccinating the age groups who are most likely to spread the virus, and that's only just begun. As with the lack of infections in schools, we currently have a low infection rate because the lockdown was a success - same as it was last summer. And, as with the last lockdown, the virus will be back. The difference this time around is the vaccination programme - and hopefully we'll reach the critical number of vaccinations in the 'spreader' age groups before the virus gets going again. Of course it would have been a much better bet if we'd started with vaccinating these age groups... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2021 20:58:52 GMT
And Hungary is using the Chinese Sinovac vaccine which only has 50.4% efficacy (if you believe the tests and having worked with China companies, testing always 'just' meets the minimum criteria, which for vaccines is 50%). They got it as a deal to 'approve' Sinovac in an attempt to give it some semblance of international credibility. They're using the Russian 'Sputnik' one as well. Lots of Hungarians don't trust the Chinese one (I've no idea why, or what evidence there is that there's anything wrong with it) and prefer to wait for Sputnik, even if that means a long delay. Hungary had it very easy with the first wave - possibly mainly because they shut their borders very early, although it might just have been luck. By the time my wife went over there last August, no precautions were being taken at all, except on the flight out, everyone was carrying on as if the virus had been defeated. She said at the time that she thoght the country was wide open for a second wave - and this proved to be an accurate prediction. This time their border controls and luck didn't save them and they had a catastrophic outbreak - followed by a really tight lockdown (schools have only just restarted). But they seem to have got their vaccination programme running well. Judging purely by comparing the experiences of the two sides of my family, they seem to be in about the same position we are. Hungarias are a funny lot, though, very prome to distrust and believing in conspiracy 'theories', so anything could happen. Also from personal experience, I know no one in this country who has died from Covid (although quite a few who've had it), but at least two of the Hungarians I know have died from it (one family member), and another family member is currently very sick with the virus. The only common factor appears to be that both people refused to accept they had the virus and refused to go to hospital until it was too late. From my experience, this is a very 'Hungarian' attitude. When I was hungry I used to go to Sputnik. Sorry that should be Spud u like |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2021 22:56:12 GMT
Malta has fully vaccinated a greater percentage of its population than us and Hungary is not far behind us And what's the population of Malta. No comparison pal, sorry. I would presume the level of the Maltese health service etc etc is also much smaller. However if we accept your assertion that Malta cannot be compared to the UK, due to your very blunt instrument of population size, then we must also accept that the UK cannot be compared to the EU area |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2021 22:57:36 GMT
Has the EMA approved Sinovac? f**k OFF. Oh dear. Someone was tired |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2021 23:09:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 9:41:59 GMT
And what's the population of Malta. No comparison pal, sorry. I would presume the level of the Maltese health service etc etc is also much smaller. However if we accept your assertion that Malta cannot be compared to the UK, due to your very blunt instrument of population size, then we must also accept that the UK cannot be compared to the EU area I wasn't. However it can be compared with individual EU countries, who due to their subjugation by their EU overlords have been totally hamstrung in their attempts to vaccinate their populations. As you know, I was very much anti Brexit, but for god's sake, we lost the vote, and some of us have managed to move on. Time you did the same, or at least admit that the EU has its faults. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 10:39:51 GMT
I do like the BBC newspaper front pages page, for a summary of life.
Cummings in "vindictive c^nt" shock
Johnson in "skeletons in cupboard" shock
Guardian using the word "outrage" in its usual cloud of self-righteous indignation that some people seem to buy into - the govt has politely pointed out that now is not the time to launch an enquiry into covid mistakes. Guardian editor Jay Diell says they're booting it into the long grass, with no justification (bar a possible track record, I suppose...) for saying so.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 11:08:38 GMT
I would presume the level of the Maltese health service etc etc is also much smaller. However if we accept your assertion that Malta cannot be compared to the UK, due to your very blunt instrument of population size, then we must also accept that the UK cannot be compared to the EU area I wasn't. However it can be compared with individual EU countries, who due to their subjugation by their EU overlords have been totally hamstrung in their attempts to vaccinate their populations. As you know, I was very much anti Brexit, but for god's sake, we lost the vote, and some of us have managed to move on. Time you did the same, or at least admit that the EU has its faults. I know you wasn't but you chose to involve yourself whn I replied to someone else that was. I was merely asking if you accepted that comparions to the EU as a whole was as flawed as comparison to Malta. I think you do. I said on here and elsewhere ages ago that the EU vaccination programme was pretty poor and the politicking it then resulted in was pathetic. Perhaps you missed that in your desire to present a biased picture of my postings. My post, that you replied to was a comparison of individual countries. Now to your loaded 'subjugation' point. Why is Hungary around the same levels of vaccination as us and Malta more, if the EU overlords have hamstrung all EU countries? |
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Post by La femme de Vic Jobson on Apr 26, 2021 11:14:18 GMT
F*&K OFF.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 11:21:38 GMT
I do like the BBC newspaper front pages page, for a summary of life. Cummings in "vindictive c^nt" shock Johnson in "skeletons in cupboard" shock Guardian using the word "outrage" in its usual cloud of self-righteous indignation that some people seem to buy into - the govt has politely pointed out that now is not the time to launch an enquiry into covid mistakes. Guardian editor Jay Diell says they're booting it into the long grass, with no justification (bar a possible track record, I suppose...) for saying so. If we are not outraged that people died needlessly when the government chose to ignore manufacturers of ventilators, preferring to focus on giving tax breaks to rich buddies that had no experience of making ventilators (and in one eminent professor-in-the-field's view no chance of developing a ventilator), when should we be outraged? When Johnson trundled mistresses along to official meetings at our expense? When Johnson took bribes cash to decorate his flat, without declaring it? When (if it is true) Johnson was quite happy to see bodies pile up in the street rather than have a lockdown? When the government refused to close borders to prevent/slow covid-19 arriving here? When we spent £35bn+ on a track and trace system that didn't do anything? When we get day after day reports of cronyism, such as yogurt makers being awarded PPE contracts? The ditching of any form of scrutiny around the awarding of contracts for PPE? When should we start to get angry? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 11:22:17 GMT
Is it Malta or Hungary that makes you angry? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 15:25:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 16:17:28 GMT
Who needs the EU?
Richard Partington Economics correspondent
Britain’s economy is forecast to grow at the fastest rate since the second world war this year after businesses adapted better to coronavirus restrictions and consumer spending booms as lockdown measures are relaxed.
With businesses and households preparing for looser controls this spring, the EY Item Club said it had upgraded its growth forecasts for 2021 after a stronger start to the year than expected and as rapid progress with the vaccine programme enables a swift return to relative normality.
The group said it now expected GDP to grow by 6.8% in 2021 – a sharp upgrade on the 5% growth rate it had estimated in January – which would mark the fastest annual growth in national income since 1941.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 16:48:32 GMT
That’s not how you spell F U C K OFF |
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