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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 13:39:17 GMT
As for Mr 6's last point - try something on a limited scale and monitor the results before moving on - no argument with that. But I am concerned about the time allowed to monitor. They're allowing 5 weeks for this, but I don't know on what evidence. Looking back at the first lockdown, there was actually of plateau of 2 months or more before the figures started to go up - and then they went up very quickly. Which would suggest that the actual pause between steps should be a lot longer.
For instance, schools started up again several weeks ago, and we have seen no rise in infections yet - despite school kids being one of the groups not vaccinated at all. We may just be lucky, and schools will turn out not to be a critical vector, especially with a lot of teachers now vaccinated. But, when you consider that the conduit of infection from school kids is via their parents, most of whom are not yet vaccinated, it is odd that there has been no increase in infections.
I suspect that there is some sort of 'tipping point' - a critical mass of infections needed before the infection rate starts to rise significantly. And after a lockdown, the infection rate is so low that this takes some time to build up. So, if I'm right, we have two or three months before this tipping point is reached - we just have to hope that the rate of vaccinations is high enough to counter this, so we never reach the point where it takes off again. My gut feel is that we'll just make it, but we could be looking at a fragile one-goal lead as we go into added time...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 13:45:10 GMT
In the end, no. It was just one in a long list of the panic stations mentality at the time. However, being Tories, many people around the party nevertheless sensed opportunities - witness the many reports of PPE contracts and the like being dolled out without due process being observed. Yes we needed stuff in a hurry and maybe it was quicker to go with your mates at a time of national crisis, but the cynic in me does wonder just how much money was trousered along the way AND how much was simply wasted. Nevermind, Covid will be curable via a few pills soon. Boris says so, therefore it must be true... Meanwhile a scan of the banner headlines this morning reveals the usual contrasts of 'We can all go on holiday now' and the inevitable 'covid is still out there' warnings. It annoys me that newspaper editors can be so stupid and indeed irresponsible. Look at India, where things have really gone tits up, or Brazil. People as a whole cannot be trusted to be collectively sensible and will gorge on anything they've been denied for a while, given half a chance. It's taken the government the best part of a year to work out what is required to get on top of things and, just for once, I have a degree of sympathy with the fact they have to face up to the 'time to get out and party' lobby. The careful experiments with things like the snooker and other crowd type events seem very sensible - do a few carefully controlled ones, monitor them and see what happens before doing anything else. Just a shame they didn't try this last autumn... The Indian authorities who wish to stop the spread of the virus have asked all rail passengers to sit inside the carriages until further notice. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 18:21:09 GMT
In the end, no. It was just one in a long list of the panic stations mentality at the time. However, being Tories, many people around the party nevertheless sensed opportunities - witness the many reports of PPE contracts and the like being dolled out without due process being observed. Yes we needed stuff in a hurry and maybe it was quicker to go with your mates at a time of national crisis, but the cynic in me does wonder just how much money was trousered along the way AND how much was simply wasted. Nevermind, Covid will be curable via a few pills soon. Boris says so, therefore it must be true... Meanwhile a scan of the banner headlines this morning reveals the usual contrasts of 'We can all go on holiday now' and the inevitable 'covid is still out there' warnings. It annoys me that newspaper editors can be so stupid and indeed irresponsible. Look at India, where things have really gone tits up, or Brazil. People as a whole cannot be trusted to be collectively sensible and will gorge on anything they've been denied for a while, given half a chance. It's taken the government the best part of a year to work out what is required to get on top of things and, just for once, I have a degree of sympathy with the fact they have to face up to the 'time to get out and party' lobby. The careful experiments with things like the snooker and other crowd type events seem very sensible - do a few carefully controlled ones, monitor them and see what happens before doing anything else. Just a shame they didn't try this last autumn... The Indian authorities who wish to stop the spread of the virus have asked all rail passengers to sit inside the carriages until further notice. Sick |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 8:56:45 GMT
But it made me laugh!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 9:22:07 GMT
As for Mr 6's last point - try something on a limited scale and monitor the results before moving on - no argument with that. But I am concerned about the time allowed to monitor. They're allowing 5 weeks for this, but I don't know on what evidence. Looking back at the first lockdown, there was actually of plateau of 2 months or more before the figures started to go up - and then they went up very quickly. Which would suggest that the actual pause between steps should be a lot longer. For instance, schools started up again several weeks ago, and we have seen no rise in infections yet - despite school kids being one of the groups not vaccinated at all. We may just be lucky, and schools will turn out not to be a critical vector, especially with a lot of teachers now vaccinated. But, when you consider that the conduit of infection from school kids is via their parents, most of whom are not yet vaccinated, it is odd that there has been no increase in infections. I suspect that there is some sort of 'tipping point' - a critical mass of infections needed before the infection rate starts to rise significantly. And after a lockdown, the infection rate is so low that this takes some time to build up. So, if I'm right, we have two or three months before this tipping point is reached - we just have to hope that the rate of vaccinations is high enough to counter this, so we never reach the point where it takes off again. My gut feel is that we'll just make it, but we could be looking at a fragile one-goal lead as we go into added time... Let's cut to the chase - it's pointless to talk about a tipping point. Cases per day here have fallen from 15 to 1. The countdown to a relaxing of all restrictions is under way: 3-2-1... Comparing with the 1st lockdown is like comparing our pitch to Oldham's 1990s plastic one - with the vaccine rollout, totally different landscape. Most but not all secondary school kid are testing once or twice a week. Keep looking for doom there but just like Bournemouth beach it's not happening. I'd talk about herd immunity but I'd sound like a Tory backbencher. It's foreign travel that's the concern, probably for another 18-24 months. Meanwhile in March COVID was no longer the biggest killer in the UK - overtaken by Alzheimer's / dementia and reading JDL posts. In April cancer and heart disease will overtake it too - and stay there. BTW if the vaccine programme is so easy, how come your EU pals are f^cking it up so badly? |
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Post by steveh21 on Apr 24, 2021 9:33:06 GMT
Schools open...club shop open. We are back!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 12:53:26 GMT
As for Mr 6's last point - try something on a limited scale and monitor the results before moving on - no argument with that. But I am concerned about the time allowed to monitor. They're allowing 5 weeks for this, but I don't know on what evidence. Looking back at the first lockdown, there was actually of plateau of 2 months or more before the figures started to go up - and then they went up very quickly. Which would suggest that the actual pause between steps should be a lot longer. For instance, schools started up again several weeks ago, and we have seen no rise in infections yet - despite school kids being one of the groups not vaccinated at all. We may just be lucky, and schools will turn out not to be a critical vector, especially with a lot of teachers now vaccinated. But, when you consider that the conduit of infection from school kids is via their parents, most of whom are not yet vaccinated, it is odd that there has been no increase in infections. I suspect that there is some sort of 'tipping point' - a critical mass of infections needed before the infection rate starts to rise significantly. And after a lockdown, the infection rate is so low that this takes some time to build up. So, if I'm right, we have two or three months before this tipping point is reached - we just have to hope that the rate of vaccinations is high enough to counter this, so we never reach the point where it takes off again. My gut feel is that we'll just make it, but we could be looking at a fragile one-goal lead as we go into added time... Let's cut to the chase - it's pointless to talk about a tipping point. Cases per day here have fallen from 15 to 1. The countdown to a relaxing of all restrictions is under way: 3-2-1... Comparing with the 1st lockdown is like comparing our pitch to Oldham's 1990s plastic one - with the vaccine rollout, totally different landscape. Most but not all secondary school kid are testing once or twice a week. Keep looking for doom there but just like Bournemouth beach it's not happening. I'd talk about herd immunity but I'd sound like a Tory backbencher. It's foreign travel that's the concern, probably for another 18-24 months. Meanwhile in March COVID was no longer the biggest killer in the UK - overtaken by Alzheimer's / dementia and reading JDL posts. In April cancer and heart disease will overtake it too - and stay there. BTW if the vaccine programme is so easy, how come your EU pals are f^cking it up so badly? Malta has fully vaccinated a greater percentage of its population than us and Hungary is not far behind us |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 15:20:58 GMT
Let's cut to the chase - it's pointless to talk about a tipping point. Cases per day here have fallen from 15 to 1. The countdown to a relaxing of all restrictions is under way: 3-2-1... Comparing with the 1st lockdown is like comparing our pitch to Oldham's 1990s plastic one - with the vaccine rollout, totally different landscape. Most but not all secondary school kid are testing once or twice a week. Keep looking for doom there but just like Bournemouth beach it's not happening. I'd talk about herd immunity but I'd sound like a Tory backbencher. It's foreign travel that's the concern, probably for another 18-24 months. Meanwhile in March COVID was no longer the biggest killer in the UK - overtaken by Alzheimer's / dementia and reading JDL posts. In April cancer and heart disease will overtake it too - and stay there. BTW if the vaccine programme is so easy, how come your EU pals are f^cking it up so badly? Malta has fully vaccinated a greater percentage of its population than us and Hungary is not far behind us And what's the population of Malta. No comparison pal, sorry. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2021 3:14:56 GMT
Let's cut to the chase - it's pointless to talk about a tipping point. Cases per day here have fallen from 15 to 1. The countdown to a relaxing of all restrictions is under way: 3-2-1... Comparing with the 1st lockdown is like comparing our pitch to Oldham's 1990s plastic one - with the vaccine rollout, totally different landscape. Most but not all secondary school kid are testing once or twice a week. Keep looking for doom there but just like Bournemouth beach it's not happening. I'd talk about herd immunity but I'd sound like a Tory backbencher. It's foreign travel that's the concern, probably for another 18-24 months. Meanwhile in March COVID was no longer the biggest killer in the UK - overtaken by Alzheimer's / dementia and reading JDL posts. In April cancer and heart disease will overtake it too - and stay there. BTW if the vaccine programme is so easy, how come your EU pals are f^cking it up so badly? Malta has fully vaccinated a greater percentage of its population than us and Hungary is not far behind us And Hungary is using the Chinese Sinovac vaccine which only has 50.4% efficacy (if you believe the tests and having worked with China companies, testing always 'just' meets the minimum criteria, which for vaccines is 50%). They got it as a deal to 'approve' Sinovac in an attempt to give it some semblance of international credibility. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2021 7:43:08 GMT
Meanwhile, Dominic Cummings is hurling insults again - or Knobo v Bozo as the Star likes to put it.
Given what a poisonous, self centred, back stabbing bunch the PM surrounded himself with (add Gove and Patel at the very least), it is almost surprising things haven't blown up for a while, but there's pandemics for you!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2021 18:21:06 GMT
Malta has fully vaccinated a greater percentage of its population than us and Hungary is not far behind us And Hungary is using the Chinese Sinovac vaccine which only has 50.4% efficacy (if you believe the tests and having worked with China companies, testing always 'just' meets the minimum criteria, which for vaccines is 50%). They got it as a deal to 'approve' Sinovac in an attempt to give it some semblance of international credibility. Has the EMA approved Sinovac? |
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Post by La femme de Vic Jobson on Apr 25, 2021 19:35:36 GMT
And Hungary is using the Chinese Sinovac vaccine which only has 50.4% efficacy (if you believe the tests and having worked with China companies, testing always 'just' meets the minimum criteria, which for vaccines is 50%). They got it as a deal to 'approve' Sinovac in an attempt to give it some semblance of international credibility. Has the EMA approved Sinovac? f**k OFF. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2021 19:40:46 GMT
And Hungary is using the Chinese Sinovac vaccine which only has 50.4% efficacy (if you believe the tests and having worked with China companies, testing always 'just' meets the minimum criteria, which for vaccines is 50%). They got it as a deal to 'approve' Sinovac in an attempt to give it some semblance of international credibility. Has the EMA approved Sinovac? Sinovac? Is that a new machine that sucks snot out of your nostrils. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2021 19:52:01 GMT
Malta has fully vaccinated a greater percentage of its population than us and Hungary is not far behind us And what's the population of Malta. No comparison pal, sorry. Not saying Malta is small, but they got it recarpeted last year. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2021 20:32:25 GMT
And what's the population of Malta. No comparison pal, sorry. Not saying Malta is small, but they got it recarpeted last year. I've seen more people at the Malta Inn than live on Malta. |
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