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Post by distantfan on Mar 15, 2021 8:01:02 GMT
Some truly shocking scenes at Clapham Common tonight All I saw was a load of women breaking lockdown restrictions and resisting arrest. Well that certainly put the 'unashamed' into 'unashamed politics'. All I saw was women joining together to protest about their safety in public spaces, close to the place where a serving police officer allegedly abducted a young woman off the street and allegedly murdered her. When the alleged offender's colleagues had enough of the protest they used force against some of the women and charged them with the old favourite of 'resist arrest'. Maybe the protestors weren't so worried about lockdown restrictions because the vaccine should make us safe. There's certainly no vaccine against misogynistic violence.
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Post by daveu on Mar 15, 2021 10:22:50 GMT
The lockdown restrictions are there for a reason. Nobody should be allowed to break them. As for protesting about how unsafe the streets are for women, I'm sorry, but one random murder, however tragic doesn't mean the streets are suddenly unsafe. Three times as many men as women are murdered in this country, and men are much more likely to be murdered by strangers. Most murders of women are commited by someone they know either at home or in familiar surroundings, so men have more reason to feel unsafe walking the streets than women.
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Post by Benny on Mar 15, 2021 11:24:39 GMT
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Post by distantfan on Mar 15, 2021 11:41:16 GMT
Agreed, one murder doesn't make the streets unsafe although that seems a callous point to make so soon afterwards.
What makes the streets feel unsafe for women is a whole range of factors. According to the ONS a third of women have been followed, more than half have suffered catcalling, 40% of women 'have been groped or faced unwanted sexual touching' and women are sexual assaulted at five times the rate of men. That's in addition to the murders and the physical assaults.
So when a woman is allegedly abducted and murdered there are a majority of women out there who remember the time they were approached, followed, leered at, touched or sexually or physically assaulted. It breeds a fear that won't go away with a vaccine.
We as men have no idea how bloody horrible some of us are to women. If you want to find out then ask any woman you know whether she's ever been harassed or afraid of a much stronger male in public.
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Post by jdl on Mar 15, 2021 12:33:04 GMT
Agreed, one murder doesn't make the streets unsafe although that seems a callous point to make so soon afterwards. What makes the streets feel unsafe for women is a whole range of factors. According to the ONS a third of women have been followed, more than half have suffered catcalling, 40% of women 'have been groped or faced unwanted sexual touching' and women are sexual assaulted at five times the rate of men. That's in addition to the murders and the physical assaults. So when a woman is allegedly abducted and murdered there are a majority of women out there who remember the time they were approached, followed, leered at, touched or sexually or physically assaulted. It breeds a fear that won't go away with a vaccine. We as men have no idea how bloody horrible some of us are to women. If you want to find out then ask any woman you know whether she's ever been harassed or afraid of a much stronger male in public. Absolutely spot on. As dave says, statisically far more men will be attacked and killed on the streets, my own son was beaten up walking through Brenchley Gardens one evening (he didn't know the people concerned and didn't do anything to provoke them). But men don't suffer the almost continuous harassment that women and girls do. Women avoid going out at night or walking through certain areas, partly because they fear that one day the harassment will develop into something far worse, but mostly because the way men behave to them - almost daily - creates a level of fear and dread that simply keeps them indoors. My daughter's group of friends walked home from school and chatted quite happily for years, until a group of schoolboys started following them every day. They started off by 'just' calling them names, but gradually this developed into throwing things at them, making crude sexual threats, etc. I, of course, said don't worry, it's just boys being boys/idiots, but a few days later I opened the door to find my daughter in tears on the doorstep. Now she and her friends have to walk home a different, and longer, way. At just 15, she discovered the reality of being a woman in a man's world. Just ask around - how many women are frightened to go out, especially at night, and how many men?
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Post by jdl on Mar 15, 2021 12:34:11 GMT
That is beneath you, Barney.
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Post by Benny on Mar 15, 2021 15:20:10 GMT
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Post by nws on Mar 15, 2021 23:29:20 GMT
The lockdown restrictions are there for a reason. Nobody should be allowed to break them. As for protesting about how unsafe the streets are for women, I'm sorry, but one random murder, however tragic doesn't mean the streets are suddenly unsafe. Three times as many men as women are murdered in this country, and men are much more likely to be murdered by strangers. Most murders of women are commited by someone they know either at home or in familiar surroundings, so men have more reason to feel unsafe walking the streets than women. 1. You might want to research the court ruling in this particular case before you blithely start twittering, with great pomposity, about lockdown rules. 2. Women are less likely to be murdered out on the street because they are way less likely to be there. You obviously haven't been listening to the general outpouring in the last few days with many women describing how they feel like they are under curfew constantly. Your last sentence is laughable.
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Post by nws on Mar 15, 2021 23:31:40 GMT
To right wing lawmakers they are. They use MWWS cases to shoehorn through more draconian laws. My source for this is your article.
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Post by 61666 on Mar 16, 2021 7:44:12 GMT
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Post by nws on Mar 16, 2021 9:33:26 GMT
You can now be arrested if you are perceived to be making too much noise at a demo. It's just small steps to...
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Post by nws on Mar 16, 2021 12:41:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2021 16:11:32 GMT
I'm still shaking my head at Adrian's EU pals (and admittedly other key players like Iceland and DR Congo) pausing use of the AZ vaccine. I'm sure if 10 people got the jab and then got run over by a bus, Macron would get France to stop using the vaccine and say it increased your chances of getting run over by a bus. Hopefully the EU will listen to its own medical agency soon. Oh and Nicola Sturgeon's lockdown-easing rules - every single thing she has on principle to make it a different date to England. As long as it makes her feel important...
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Post by nws on Mar 16, 2021 16:41:30 GMT
I'm still shaking my head at Adrian's EU pals (and admittedly other key players like Iceland and DR Congo) pausing use of the AZ vaccine. I'm sure if 10 people got the jab and then got run over by a bus, Macron would get France to stop using the vaccine and say it increased your chances of getting run over by a bus. Hopefully the EU will listen to its own medical agency soon. Oh and Nicola Sturgeon's lockdown-easing rules - every single thing she has on principle to make it a different date to England. As long as it makes her feel important... Just to point out the EU are not my pals. I just happen to realise that cocking up trade with your biggest market and being hostile to them, based on some idealised view of Britain past, is really silly. FWIW I think the EU have been quite ridiculous over the vaccine and to say I am less than impressed re diesel vehicles is an understatement.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2021 16:49:54 GMT
You love them, you make your wife wear an Angela Merkel mask. Just admit it. What vehicle does Wim Diesel have?
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