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The Chelmsford game is on Bank Holiday Monday at 3pm

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Aug 12, 2019 9:08:47 GMT alans said:

The Chelmsford game is on Bank Holiday Monday at 3pm

Ahh, forgetting the UK bank holiday schedule. Thanks for the explaination.

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Aug 13, 2019 3:03:51 GMT hongkongstone said:

Aug 12, 2019 9:08:47 GMT alans said:

The Chelmsford game is on Bank Holiday Monday at 3pm

Ahh, forgetting the UK bank holiday schedule. Thanks for the explaination.

Hi HKS - OT for a minute, how are things over there? The UK news is full of the protests/police violence/Chinese reaction/etc every day. Is it really that bad - does it affect daily life much? Are you thinking of becoming UKS again?!

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Aug 13, 2019 9:54:01 GMT @johndaubneyslegs said:

Aug 13, 2019 3:03:51 GMT hongkongstone said:

Ahh, forgetting the UK bank holiday schedule. Thanks for the explaination.

Hi HKS - OT for a minute, how are things over there? The UK news is full of the protests/police violence/Chinese reaction/etc every day. Is it really that bad - does it affect daily life much? Are you thinking of becoming UKS again?!

Daily life is not too much affected if one knows what one is doing and keeps oneself updated on where things are happening. Obviously the authorities shutting down the airport on Monday evening gained some international notoriety but this was their decision as the protests in the arrivals hall were peaceful and not impeding passenger transit. The cynical among us suspected that they were stopping passengers coming through the airport in order to send in the riot police. As such the demonstrators just upped sticks and left leaving the (so called) police (they have forgotten the meaning of the verb) looking like a bunch of lemons.

The other aspect of the flight cancellations is that the media put out that it was the fault of the protesters. This is totally untrue as they were not impeding travel but obviously makes a good story for lazy media who can't be bothered to understand the facts (e.g. Sky).

Unfortunately it is difficult to see where this will all lead to as the demonstrators demands will never be acceded to by the CCP (let's not call it China or HK as it is the CCP that are calling the shots). The CCP will however want to see matters curtailed by the 1st October (National Day) to prevent further embarrassment even though 90% of the population in the mainland are unaware of what is going on in HK like they are unaware of the Wuhan riots.

I have been on a couple of the marches myself in the early stages of the protest, one where 2 million people joined out of a total HK population of 7.5 million. These were peaceful, albeit a little claustrophobic and slow paced (marching is the wrong term - shuffling would be more appropriate). This was against the original extradition bill whereby anyone in HK could be taken for trial in mainland China for whatever reason. HK still nominally has Rule OF Law, the PRC is Rule BY Law and there is a 99.99% (no exaggeration) conviction rate in courts (even the defense lawyers themselves get prosecuted also). Since this time, as protesters have been arrested on specious charges and charged with rioting their demands have increased hence the polar opposite positions.

Frankly speaking the authorities are ratcheting it up with uncalled for police violence, use of PLA agents disguised as protestors, employing triad thugs to beat up protesters (and refusing 999 calls to intervene) and rounding up of non-involved citizens, but as I mentioned earlier it is hard to predict where this is going to lead to. There is no effective HK government (not that there ever was much) but now the CCP are totally running the show. If the UK had any cojones then they would raise this as betrayal of the handover agreement which is lodged with the UN - but the UK has enough problems of it's own at the moment I believe.

I copy a twitter link below from activist Nathan Law just outlining the what happened in 1 day (Sunday). Hope it works - if not just search Nathan Law @nathanlawkc on Twitter and you will find the linked posts.

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I'm still waiting for a JDL in depth analysis of average attendances now that we have twice as much data.

(4+3+3+2+1+1+1+2)/8 = 2.125. So even if we'd stayed up, on average we're a National South side since history began in 2012.

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Aug 14, 2019 11:11:17 GMT hongkongstone said:

Aug 13, 2019 9:54:01 GMT @johndaubneyslegs said:

Hi HKS - OT for a minute, how are things over there? The UK news is full of the protests/police violence/Chinese reaction/etc every day. Is it really that bad - does it affect daily life much? Are you thinking of becoming UKS again?!

Daily life is not too much affected if one knows what one is doing and keeps oneself updated on where things are happening. Obviously the authorities shutting down the airport on Monday evening gained some international notoriety but this was their decision as the protests in the arrivals hall were peaceful and not impeding passenger transit. The cynical among us suspected that they were stopping passengers coming through the airport in order to send in the riot police. As such the demonstrators just upped sticks and left leaving the (so called) police (they have forgotten the meaning of the verb) looking like a bunch of lemons.

The other aspect of the flight cancellations is that the media put out that it was the fault of the protesters. This is totally untrue as they were not impeding travel but obviously makes a good story for lazy media who can't be bothered to understand the facts (e.g. Sky).

Unfortunately it is difficult to see where this will all lead to as the demonstrators demands will never be acceded to by the CCP (let's not call it China or HK as it is the CCP that are calling the shots). The CCP will however want to see matters curtailed by the 1st October (National Day) to prevent further embarrassment even though 90% of the population in the mainland are unaware of what is going on in HK like they are unaware of the Wuhan riots.

I have been on a couple of the marches myself in the early stages of the protest, one where 2 million people joined out of a total HK population of 7.5 million. These were peaceful, albeit a little claustrophobic and slow paced (marching is the wrong term - shuffling would be more appropriate). This was against the original extradition bill whereby anyone in HK could be taken for trial in mainland China for whatever reason. HK still nominally has Rule OF Law, the PRC is Rule BY Law and there is a 99.99% (no exaggeration) conviction rate in courts (even the defense lawyers themselves get prosecuted also). Since this time, as protesters have been arrested on specious charges and charged with rioting their demands have increased hence the polar opposite positions.

Frankly speaking the authorities are ratcheting it up with uncalled for police violence, use of PLA agents disguised as protestors, employing triad thugs to beat up protesters (and refusing 999 calls to intervene) and rounding up of non-involved citizens, but as I mentioned earlier it is hard to predict where this is going to lead to. There is no effective HK government (not that there ever was much) but now the CCP are totally running the show. If the UK had any cojones then they would raise this as betrayal of the handover agreement which is lodged with the UN - but the UK has enough problems of it's own at the moment I believe.

I copy a twitter link below from activist Nathan Law just outlining the what happened in 1 day (Sunday). Hope it works - if not just search Nathan Law @nathanlawkc on Twitter and you will find the linked posts.

Thanks, HKS, an excellent summary - informed and concise (I forgot where I was for a moment!). Very disturbing though - confirms my fear that the CCP are using the original protests to stir up violence so they can claim that their 'reaction' is justified on the grounds of 'terrorism' or 'revolution'. Unfortunately, I fear that the protestors have accidentally given the CCP exactly the means they needed to speed up the process of completely absorbing HK into China.

I don't think that the Chineese would pay the slightest attention to any protests from the UK government, but anyway, this lot are so set on Brexit at any cost and their right-wing coup, that they can't be arsed about anything else. And who would enforce the handover agreement anyway? It was never an 'agreement' as such, it was just a way of the UK saving face when the inevitable Chineese takeover occurred and trying to get away without being 'flooded' with HK refugees.

On which subject - are you aware that an MP over here has been calling for HK citizens to be given the right to settle in the UK? I actually think this would be a good idea. And not just from the humanitarian point of view - we'd get the usual nonsense about Britain being 'swamped', but I don't think that that many would uproot and come over here, and those that would would be exactly the sort of people the UK so badly needs.

It would be the end of HK though.

(Apologies to those looking for NS news - should have started this in the non-Stones section.)

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Aug 14, 2019 13:27:53 GMT @oxford said:

I'm still waiting for a JDL in depth analysis of average attendances now that we have twice as much data.

(4+3+3+2+1+1+1+2)/8 = 2.125. So even if we'd stayed up, on average we're a National South side since history began in 2012.

Have no fear - it's coming!

Probably around the end of September, if you can wait that long?

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Sounds good, it might mean something when everyone has hosted a midweek game, had a spread of small and big visitors etc. Not that comparing ourselves to other clubs means that much. Gate receipts or match day profits would be more meaningful (sadly).

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Aug 14, 2019 13:42:53 GMT @johndaubneyslegs said:

Aug 14, 2019 11:11:17 GMT hongkongstone said:

Daily life is not too much affected if one knows what one is doing and keeps oneself updated on where things are happening. Obviously the authorities shutting down the airport on Monday evening gained some international notoriety but this was their decision as the protests in the arrivals hall were peaceful and not impeding passenger transit. The cynical among us suspected that they were stopping passengers coming through the airport in order to send in the riot police. As such the demonstrators just upped sticks and left leaving the (so called) police (they have forgotten the meaning of the verb) looking like a bunch of lemons.

The other aspect of the flight cancellations is that the media put out that it was the fault of the protesters. This is totally untrue as they were not impeding travel but obviously makes a good story for lazy media who can't be bothered to understand the facts (e.g. Sky).

Unfortunately it is difficult to see where this will all lead to as the demonstrators demands will never be acceded to by the CCP (let's not call it China or HK as it is the CCP that are calling the shots). The CCP will however want to see matters curtailed by the 1st October (National Day) to prevent further embarrassment even though 90% of the population in the mainland are unaware of what is going on in HK like they are unaware of the Wuhan riots.

I have been on a couple of the marches myself in the early stages of the protest, one where 2 million people joined out of a total HK population of 7.5 million. These were peaceful, albeit a little claustrophobic and slow paced (marching is the wrong term - shuffling would be more appropriate). This was against the original extradition bill whereby anyone in HK could be taken for trial in mainland China for whatever reason. HK still nominally has Rule OF Law, the PRC is Rule BY Law and there is a 99.99% (no exaggeration) conviction rate in courts (even the defense lawyers themselves get prosecuted also). Since this time, as protesters have been arrested on specious charges and charged with rioting their demands have increased hence the polar opposite positions.

Frankly speaking the authorities are ratcheting it up with uncalled for police violence, use of PLA agents disguised as protestors, employing triad thugs to beat up protesters (and refusing 999 calls to intervene) and rounding up of non-involved citizens, but as I mentioned earlier it is hard to predict where this is going to lead to. There is no effective HK government (not that there ever was much) but now the CCP are totally running the show. If the UK had any cojones then they would raise this as betrayal of the handover agreement which is lodged with the UN - but the UK has enough problems of it's own at the moment I believe.

I copy a twitter link below from activist Nathan Law just outlining the what happened in 1 day (Sunday). Hope it works - if not just search Nathan Law @nathanlawkc on Twitter and you will find the linked posts.

Thanks, HKS, an excellent summary - informed and concise (I forgot where I was for a moment!). Very disturbing though - confirms my fear that the CCP are using the original protests to stir up violence so they can claim that their 'reaction' is justified on the grounds of 'terrorism' or 'revolution'. Unfortunately, I fear that the protestors have accidentally given the CCP exactly the means they needed to speed up the process of completely absorbing HK into China.

I don't think that the Chineese would pay the slightest attention to any protests from the UK government, but anyway, this lot are so set on Brexit at any cost and their right-wing coup, that they can't be arsed about anything else. And who would enforce the handover agreement anyway? It was never an 'agreement' as such, it was just a way of the UK saving face when the inevitable Chineese takeover occurred and trying to get away without being 'flooded' with HK refugees.

On which subject - are you aware that an MP over here has been calling for HK citizens to be given the right to settle in the UK? I actually think this would be a good idea. And not just from the humanitarian point of view - we'd get the usual nonsense about Britain being 'swamped', but I don't think that that many would uproot and come over here, and those that would would be exactly the sort of people the UK so badly needs.

It would be the end of HK though.

(Apologies to those looking for NS news - should have started this in the non-Stones section.)

In order not to divert this thread further I will keep my follow up brief:

1. There is an official Handover Agreement signed by both sides and registered with the UN should anyone wish to challenge the point that the CCP is refusing to uphold the rule of Law and implement democracy as agreed.

2. International condemnation from any source will help prevent the CCP from taking the worst case scenario actions as they know everyone is on their case. Unfortunately with the current WhiteHouse incumbant this is unlikely (Trump Jr. involved in massive development deals with Chinese companies in Indonesia and Daddy considers HK an internal PRC matter for his great friend Xitler to deal with HK in a 'humane way' - like putting down an injured puppy).

3. CCP in principle likes to keep HK in it's current form as a means for it's leadership to continue money laundering and capital flight as the HK dollar is linked to a hard currency (USD).

4. Everyone here is considering their options at the moment although most are not being too rash - we are all watching what will happen in the coming 6 weeks as military forces amass just the other side of the border (already extra tents are popping up inside the PLA compounds).

5, The passport thing could have been resolved 30 years ago but wasn't. Even the 50,000 BNO passports that were granted back then do not grant immediate permanent residence in the UK.

Enough of this for now, back to supporting the Mighty Stones which is far more important.

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Billericay were 0-0 against Hemel when Glen Tamplin wanted to bring on his son, against the wishes of Harry Wheeler. Billericay went on to lose 0-3.

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Gosh, did we miss something?!?!?!

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Aug 27, 2019 15:17:27 GMT Benny said:

Billericay were 0-0 against Hemel when Glen Tamplin wanted to bring on his son, against the wishes of Harry Wheeler. Billericay went on to lose 0-3.

Pity we won - if we hadn't this would have cheered my up completely!

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Jamie Coyle has been sacked

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Sept 4, 2019 3:45:23 GMT Raymondo316 said:

Jamie Coyle has been sacked

I shouldn't laugh but hey i shouldn't do a lot of things so HA HA HA HA 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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I must admit Darts being beaten by the Angels was one of my highlights of the weekend!

Sorry for Coyle, but he'll get other chances (Margate, perhaps?!)