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Post by nws on Aug 25, 2019 7:33:38 GMT
Whats your views on Priti Patel ? i think she is one sexy tory bitch, Priti Patel held secret talks with Israeli officials and denied it when asked. She is not fit to be in any decent government. Sadly, for all of us she is fit to in this one.
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Post by Bernie on Aug 28, 2019 10:20:30 GMT
Boris suspends Parliament. We are leaving the EU on October 31st. About bloody time.
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Post by 61666 on Aug 28, 2019 10:39:36 GMT
A million to one no deal to a racing certainty in nothing flat. All those who think BoJo is in any way trustworthy, think again. Next stop we become a vassal state of Trumpland. What are the chances that Agent Orange is already getting his chequebook out to buy up crucial bits, like Windsor Castle, for a house and golf course? Bastard.
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Post by distantfan on Aug 28, 2019 12:01:11 GMT
No-one knows how this ends for the country or their own interests. Not Boris, not the Queen who he's dragged into his anti-democratic plan. Parliament needs to be capable of stopping this anti-democratic PM who has never even proven he has the confidence of the Commons. I never thought in my lifetime I'd see a PM from either side prorogue for a month just to avoid parliamentary scrutiny. And the form of Brexit he wants to force through bears no relation whatsoever to the Norway or Canada models proposed prior to the referendum. There's no reason to believe a majority of the British public want this version of Brexit.
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Post by headstone on Aug 28, 2019 12:26:13 GMT
The majority of the public want any Brexit, the referendum said so, they weren't concerned with the details (Cameron failed to mention them). What amuses me is the "opposition" squawking non-democratic, when that is exactly what they are, trying to overturn or adjust the referendum result. Hypocrites or what? I was tempted to write to the paper, but I'll write on here instead, as it's a forum renowned for its sense of reason and moderation.
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Post by 61666 on Aug 28, 2019 13:05:17 GMT
There is nothing undemocratic about having another vote, especially when you rightly say nobody knew what they were voting for in leaving the original Brexit. It is surely abundantly clear that the arguement needs to be tested again - unless we are happy to stumble into a dictatorship.
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Post by Bernie on Aug 28, 2019 13:44:12 GMT
I knew what I was voting for. Didn't you?
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Post by nws on Aug 28, 2019 13:47:33 GMT
The majority of the public want any Brexit, the referendum said so, they weren't concerned with the details (Cameron failed to mention them). What amuses me is the "opposition" squawking non-democratic, when that is exactly what they are, trying to overturn or adjust the referendum result. Hypocrites or what? I was tempted to write to the paper, but I'll write on here instead, as it's a forum renowned for its sense of reason and moderation. Your openine two sentences are a lie. As for the rest...if you are all so confident then why do you shun a second vote of any kind and why does Alex Johnson want to avoid Parliamentary involvement. At referendum time it was the leave camain constantly blthering on about the "sovereignty of Parliament'. Remain voters knew it had never been lost. When Parliament did not rubber stamp leave...my how the language changed. 16.8m voted to remain. Now idiots want to cutall ties completely despite campaigning on an entirely different ticket.
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Post by nws on Aug 28, 2019 13:48:11 GMT
I knew what I was voting for. Didn't you? What we're you voting for then?
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Post by Bernie on Aug 28, 2019 14:41:09 GMT
That's a matter for me and the privacy of the polling booth. I don't have to justify my vote to anyone. Neither do the majority who voted to leave the EU. The government said their choice would be acted on. And it will, on October 31st.
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Post by sword65 on Aug 28, 2019 14:56:37 GMT
There is nothing undemocratic about having another vote, especially when you rightly say nobody knew what they were voting for in leaving the original Brexit. It is surely abundantly clear that the arguement needs to be tested again - unless we are happy to stumble into a dictatorship. It's a bit like VAR really just keep giving Man City a penalty until they score. Keep giving remain a vote until they win.
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Post by nws on Aug 28, 2019 15:18:15 GMT
That's a matter for me and the privacy of the polling booth. I don't have to justify my vote to anyone. Neither do the majority who voted to leave the EU. The government said their choice would be acted on. And it will, on October 31st. What a pathetic and cowardly answer. The only thing that was done in the polling booth was a vote of leave or remain. You have already told us you voted leave. So what was 'between you and the polling booth' is no secret. The reason you don't want to reveal what you were voting for is because it will either differ from what is being offered now or what was offered then or more than likely you were swallowed a whole pack of lies and just voted leave.
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Post by nws on Aug 28, 2019 15:21:49 GMT
There is nothing undemocratic about having another vote, especially when you rightly say nobody knew what they were voting for in leaving the original Brexit. It is surely abundantly clear that the arguement needs to be tested again - unless we are happy to stumble into a dictatorship. It's a bit like VAR really just keep giving Man City a penalty until they score. Keep giving remain a vote until they win. Yes. That voting thing is so undemocratic isn't it. Isn't it funny about how you all crow about the majority of the electorate voting for something (which isn't true but hasn't stopped Headstone perpetuating the lie above), overwhelming result etc etc and but if anyone suggesting testing that now you all get jittery. When ol Nige thought he was going to lose he said that a 52-48 remain victory would be unfinished business by a long way. He also recently complained about the election of Ursula Von Der Leyen having power but no legitimacy because she only won by 9 votes or 51:49. What about a vote on whether we want a deal or no deal or are you scared of that too?
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Post by nws on Aug 28, 2019 15:27:27 GMT
I genuinely would be interested to know what leave voters were voting for.
Were they voting for the promised land of sunny uplands etc...i.e. a deal?
Were they voting for cutting ties completely...i.e. no deal?
Did they not really know/understand any of the implications but just felt the EU was bad?
There is a racist subset who voted just to get rid of brown people but I'm not sure how important they were overall, particularly as they would have to be quite mad to believe voting leave got rid of brown people.
The other question I feel curious about is what leave voters feel they won in 2016.
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Post by 61666 on Aug 28, 2019 15:37:37 GMT
It's been said many times already, but let's reiterate. Voting Remain meant staying where we were. Simples. Voting leave has been proven to mean different things to different people, hence why it is impossible to get a consensus on it. Leavers are the only ones frightened of another vote, whereas I'd wager anyone given the chance to vote again would be far happier with the outcome, win or lose, because we would all know what we were voting for. What we now have is a BoJo dictatorship where he and his cronies believe they hold all the cards when it comes to a no deal. And they may be right. However, he does not have a mandate to pursue his ideas, having only been voted in by a few thousand Tory members. His own camp are already bragging of going for an early election, but one where we will already have fallen out of th EU by default in early November. How such devious plotting can be called democracy is laughable, were it not so serious. I certainly don't want Corbyn or Farage in charge, so where are we going to find a reliable leadership team?Doomed, doomed, I fear.
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