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Post by fleetphil on Oct 31, 2018 10:07:54 GMT
A fairly turgid game played by two sides that look like they will struggle. I thought we looked marginally better than Ebbsfleet going forward, but only marginally. Poor marking for both goals. A point was fair. Lovely to get to meet and sit and chat to Phil for this game. A nice fella. Good to meet you to Adrian, it was a shame it wasn't a better game. I thought too fairly average sides at best, I think you may struggle to hold on to Turgott, he looks the part, although he could look to pass it when players are in better positions. I felt if we might get a winner it would be down your left flank, as that's where we were giving you most trouble. You can see why both teams are struggling, you failing to clear your lines for our goal, and, us letting your man have a free header from a corner. I don't think you'd have a better chance of putting one over on us than you did last night, but I think it just shows where both clubs are at the moment. If we're all honest, survival is the one thing we both want from this season. Best of luck to the Stones for the rest of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 10:32:00 GMT
Well summarised sdg Some posts far too negative. Really liked the look of our 2 debutants. Swayne strong and commanding for 44 minutes (hopefully his injury is minor). Smith looks a class act and did everything calmly and confidently. Pax and Phillips very competitive in midfield with a good passing game. Would have been good to have some wider options, a lot is being asked of Turgott to play on both flanks. Cassidy and Domain had decent games but the former did miss a sitter from close to the penalty spot. Still strong at the back, competitive in midfield and improving up front. Even Gold managed to impress for the first time when he came on as sub. Overall, quite encouaging I think Turgott needs to mix it up a bit though. i.e pass sometimes Especially when the opposition effectively double-up on him, which we will see happen more and more. However, this tactic used by the opposing teams should result in more attacking space for others to potentially exploit in the final third, if Turgott brings them into the game at that stage of an attack. Particularly effective when a savvy attacking midfielder charges into space, while the defenders are more concerned with other strikers.
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Post by daveu on Nov 1, 2018 9:03:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 9:42:58 GMT
That's a worrying statement if you're a Fleet fan. Using the amount of time it takes to transfer a sum of money from a Kuwait bank account to a UK bank account as an excuse for the wages being late is laughable. I move fairly large sums fo money in international transfers fairly regularly and I can tell you it takes maybe a week to get through an intermediary bank, and on to its destination. I've never dealt with Kuwait but there is no reason to think it would take much longer than that. Plus there is the obvious point; if you know it's going to take e.g. ten days, you start the transfer ten days before pay day. The fact he is prepared to come up with such thin excuses, for me, brings his integrity into question. What he is basically saying is, he isn't prepared to bankroll the club anymore. That seems to be the bottom line and it's incredible, isn't it, that he now says he was wrong to spend all that money. What result was he hoping for? He appears to be saying he can't be bothered now because the team aren't doing well. There is little difference between that, and a fan only bothering to turn up to watch their team when they are doing well, and then not bothering when it's going wrong. Fans often get criticised for that attitude, so how are Fleet fans supposed to view a man whose investment is pivotal in the club's very survival, when he is doing the same thing?
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Post by sword65 on Nov 1, 2018 10:21:00 GMT
That's a worrying statement if you're a Fleet fan. Using the amount of time it takes to transfer a sum of money from a Kuwait bank account to a UK bank account as an excuse for the wages being late is laughable. I move fairly large sums fo money in international transfers fairly regularly and I can tell you it takes maybe a week to get through an intermediary bank, and on to its destination. I've never dealt with Kuwait but there is no reason to think it would take much longer than that. Plus there is the obvious point; if you know it's going to take e.g. ten days, you start the transfer ten days before pay day. The fact he is prepared to come up with such thin excuses, for me, brings his integrity into question. What he is basically saying is, he isn't prepared to bankroll the club anymore. That seems to be the bottom line and it's incredible, isn't it, that he now says he was wrong to spend all that money. What result was he hoping for? He appears to be saying he can't be bothered now because the team aren't doing well. There is little difference between that, and a fan only bothering to turn up to watch their team when they are doing well, and then not bothering when it's going wrong. Fans often get criticised for that attitude, so how are Fleet fans supposed to view a man whose investment is pivotal in the club's very survival, when he is doing the same thing? I have been watching non-league football since I had Medway porridge filling my nappy in fact when I was six months old I lost my temper on critics corner and this was the first recorded time that I threw my toys out of my pram. The reason I loved non-league footy is the fact that the players had full-time jobs and any money earnt from football was a bonus in fact many players refused to play in the football league because they would lose to much money Kim Casey of Kidderminster being a prime example. Now being professionals the football money is all their income and as such they have no back-up money. The answer is a simple one the National league is still a non-league division so revert back to semi professionalism that way you will have money to put food on the table,pay bills etc. This way you do not have to rely on super rich Arabs.
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Post by Bernie on Nov 1, 2018 10:43:35 GMT
It's a business. If you're a wealthy business owner you have responsibility to pay wages on time. No excuses. People's bills and mortgages depend on it. If he can't pay the wages on time at a very small non league football club, how can he ever be expected to be taken seriously as a multi-billion pound property developer? Absolutely tinpot.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 10:55:14 GMT
That's a worrying statement if you're a Fleet fan. Using the amount of time it takes to transfer a sum of money from a Kuwait bank account to a UK bank account as an excuse for the wages being late is laughable. I move fairly large sums fo money in international transfers fairly regularly and I can tell you it takes maybe a week to get through an intermediary bank, and on to its destination. I've never dealt with Kuwait but there is no reason to think it would take much longer than that. Plus there is the obvious point; if you know it's going to take e.g. ten days, you start the transfer ten days before pay day. The fact he is prepared to come up with such thin excuses, for me, brings his integrity into question. What he is basically saying is, he isn't prepared to bankroll the club anymore. That seems to be the bottom line and it's incredible, isn't it, that he now says he was wrong to spend all that money. What result was he hoping for? He appears to be saying he can't be bothered now because the team aren't doing well. There is little difference between that, and a fan only bothering to turn up to watch their team when they are doing well, and then not bothering when it's going wrong. Fans often get criticised for that attitude, so how are Fleet fans supposed to view a man whose investment is pivotal in the club's very survival, when he is doing the same thing? I have been watching non-league football since I had Medway porridge filling my nappy in fact when I was six months old I lost my temper on critics corner and this was the first recorded time that I threw my toys out of my pram. The reason I loved non-league footy is the fact that the players had full-time jobs and any money earnt from football was a bonus in fact many players refused to play in the football league because they would lose to much money Kim Casey of Kidderminster being a prime example. Now being professionals the football money is all their income and as such they have no back-up money. The answer is a simple one the National league is still a non-league division so revert back to semi professionalism that way you will have money to put food on the table,pay bills etc. This way you do not have to rely on super rich Arabs. The difficulty with that I'm afraid, is that once our old 'friend' Jim Thompson managed to get automatic promotion / relegation from the Conference to the FL installed, it was always going to be the case that teams coming down would want to remain full-time. Inevitably as the years have rolled by since, more and more Conference clubs have reached the conclusion they also need to be either full time, or at the very least insist on regular daytime training, in order to be competitive. Unfortunately it isn't really a situation that is ever likely to be reversed.
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Post by jdl on Nov 1, 2018 11:51:23 GMT
That's a worrying statement if you're a Fleet fan. Using the amount of time it takes to transfer a sum of money from a Kuwait bank account to a UK bank account as an excuse for the wages being late is laughable. I move fairly large sums fo money in international transfers fairly regularly and I can tell you it takes maybe a week to get through an intermediary bank, and on to its destination. I've never dealt with Kuwait but there is no reason to think it would take much longer than that. Plus there is the obvious point; if you know it's going to take e.g. ten days, you start the transfer ten days before pay day. The fact he is prepared to come up with such thin excuses, for me, brings his integrity into question. What he is basically saying is, he isn't prepared to bankroll the club anymore. That seems to be the bottom line and it's incredible, isn't it, that he now says he was wrong to spend all that money. What result was he hoping for? He appears to be saying he can't be bothered now because the team aren't doing well. There is little difference between that, and a fan only bothering to turn up to watch their team when they are doing well, and then not bothering when it's going wrong. Fans often get criticised for that attitude, so how are Fleet fans supposed to view a man whose investment is pivotal in the club's very survival, when he is doing the same thing? I have been watching non-league football since I had Medway porridge filling my nappy in fact when I was six months old I lost my temper on critics corner and this was the first recorded time that I threw my toys out of my pram. The reason I loved non-league footy is the fact that the players had full-time jobs and any money earnt from football was a bonus in fact many players refused to play in the football league because they would lose to much money Kim Casey of Kidderminster being a prime example. Now being professionals the football money is all their income and as such they have no back-up money. The answer is a simple one the National league is still a non-league division so revert back to semi professionalism that way you will have money to put food on the table,pay bills etc. This way you do not have to rely on super rich Arabs. Coming from a man who appears to be high on parrot droppings most of the time, this is a very wise post. Unfortunately, as jayser points out, the inevitable drift is in the opposite direction. It would be a bit like getting into the Premier and wowing not to spend astronomical sums on foreigh players...
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Post by jdl on Nov 1, 2018 12:02:52 GMT
Incidentally, in these days of online computer systems and instant transfer of data, the only delay acceptable on any bank transfer is one day. Most (all?) bank systems still have their old legacy suites at their heart (often designed in the 60s and 70s!), so only update overnight - hence the one day delay (a true real-time system should be able to transfer data/money instantly). And, once the update has been run and verified, the transfer on to the next bank is instant.
So, the sort of transfers we're talking about here should take two to three days max (depending on the number of banks in the chain). The fact that they don't is amlost certainly because each bank holds on to the money for a day or three and invests it in the overnight market. Bollocks to efficiency and customer service, if you can screw your customers and make a few quid...
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Post by 61666 on Nov 1, 2018 12:12:46 GMT
Re the full time thing, looking back to Ryman Premier days, not that long ago, my amber tinted memory says football was often better then and certainly more fun. We were doing better results wise of course, but there were plenty of quality players who were happy to be part time. Flisher, Collins, Mills, etc, etc. Since attaining National League status, all we seem to have had since is professional journeymen, who with every respect to the likes of Turgott, Pigott and new man Smith, are not going to set the FL alight and nor do they have the ability of our former part timers. Fitter, you'd hope, but lacking flair. Shame that this seems to be the price of progress.
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Post by sword65 on Nov 1, 2018 12:13:21 GMT
I have been watching non-league football since I had Medway porridge filling my nappy in fact when I was six months old I lost my temper on critics corner and this was the first recorded time that I threw my toys out of my pram. The reason I loved non-league footy is the fact that the players had full-time jobs and any money earnt from football was a bonus in fact many players refused to play in the football league because they would lose to much money Kim Casey of Kidderminster being a prime example. Now being professionals the football money is all their income and as such they have no back-up money. The answer is a simple one the National league is still a non-league division so revert back to semi professionalism that way you will have money to put food on the table,pay bills etc. This way you do not have to rely on super rich Arabs. The difficulty with that I'm afraid, is that once our old 'friend' Jim Thompson managed to get automatic promotion / relegation from the Conference to the FL installed, it was always going to be the case that teams coming down would want to remain full-time. Inevitably as the years have rolled by since, more and more Conference clubs have reached the conclusion they also need to be either full time, or at the very least insist on regular daytime training, in order to be competitive. Unfortunately it isn't really a situation that is ever likely to be reversed. Kidderminster York city Stockport Hereford Darlington Chester Torquay Scarborough Staying professional really helped these teams didn't it!
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Post by jdl on Nov 1, 2018 12:16:22 GMT
Re the full time thing, looking back to Ryman Premier days, not that long ago, my amber tinted memory says football was often better then and certainly more fun. We were doing better results wise of course, but there were plenty of quality players who were happy to be part time. Flisher, Collins, Mills, etc, etc. Since attaining National League status, all we seem to have had since is professional journeymen, who with every respect to the likes of Turgott, Pigott and new man Smith, are not going to set the FL alight and nor do they have the ability of our former part timers. Fitter, you'd hope, but lacking flair. Shame that this seems to be the price of progress. As always, absolutely spot on. You have an unervingly laser-like ability to cut through the crap and see the reality within. (i.e. you tend to agree with me!)
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Post by sword65 on Nov 1, 2018 12:21:28 GMT
I have been watching non-league football since I had Medway porridge filling my nappy in fact when I was six months old I lost my temper on critics corner and this was the first recorded time that I threw my toys out of my pram. The reason I loved non-league footy is the fact that the players had full-time jobs and any money earnt from football was a bonus in fact many players refused to play in the football league because they would lose to much money Kim Casey of Kidderminster being a prime example. Now being professionals the football money is all their income and as such they have no back-up money. The answer is a simple one the National league is still a non-league division so revert back to semi professionalism that way you will have money to put food on the table,pay bills etc. This way you do not have to rely on super rich Arabs. Coming from a man who appears to be high on parrot droppings most of the time, this is a very wise post. Unfortunately, as jayser points out, the inevitable drift is in the opposite direction. It would be a bit like getting into the Premier and wowing not to spend astronomical sums on foreigh players... Nothing wrong with Parrott droppings spread them on a bit of toast and it's just like crunchy marmite. 👨🚀👨🚀👨🚀👨🚀👨🚀spaceman says yuch!
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Post by daveu on Nov 1, 2018 12:30:15 GMT
Re the full time thing, looking back to Ryman Premier days, not that long ago, my amber tinted memory says football was often better then and certainly more fun. We were doing better results wise of course, but there were plenty of quality players who were happy to be part time. Flisher, Collins, Mills, etc, etc. Since attaining National League status, all we seem to have had since is professional journeymen, who with every respect to the likes of Turgott, Pigott and new man Smith, are not going to set the FL alight and nor do they have the ability of our former part timers. Fitter, you'd hope, but lacking flair. Shame that this seems to be the price of progress. As always, absolutely spot on. You have an unervingly laser-like ability to cut through the crap and see the reality within. (i.e. you tend to agree with me!) Can't help thinking the golden glow of hindsight has some influence on these perceptions. Of those players I think only Mills (and Flisher if he could stay fit) would ever compete with what we have now. Frannie, Jay May and Alex Brown for example were excellent Ryman Premier players but all three of them found National South too much of a challenge. It's easy to look back with fondness when you're winning and getting promoted. The overall feel of things is not as much fun any more but I don't think it's true to claim that the standard was better back then.
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Post by sword65 on Nov 1, 2018 12:38:46 GMT
As always, absolutely spot on. You have an unervingly laser-like ability to cut through the crap and see the reality within. (i.e. you tend to agree with me!) Can't help thinking the golden glow of hindsight has some influence on these perceptions. Of those players I think only Mills (and Flisher if he could stay fit) would ever compete with what we have now. Frannie, Jay May and Alex Brown for example were excellent Ryman Premier players but all three of them found National South too much of a challenge. It's easy to look back with fondness when you're winning and getting promoted. The overall feel of things is not as much fun any more but I don't think it's true to claim that the standard was better back then. Footy is a funny old game it seems to me the more money you pay to get in the less entertainment you get . Would much prefer a 5-4 against Corinthian Casuals for £6 than pay £15for the general rubbish that is National league football.
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