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Post by toonarmy on Oct 30, 2018 23:09:04 GMT
Whilst it was nice to get a point and to be honest I would have taken that before we kicked off, the result tonight was nothing more than a sticky plaster, we were poor and I’m still to be convinced by Walton who seems to shout a lot and argue with the officials, it was his error that resulted in them scoring, ah well roll on Saturday and a trip to Barnet
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Post by pwoodstone on Oct 30, 2018 23:09:17 GMT
Ebbsfleet were poor, as were we. Not a great game.
We are more competitive these days though.
Our quality in the ball was average again and people look scared to make a mistake.
Keeper looks good.
Walton was bloody awful.
Nice to a front 2 link up a bit today. Gold good.
There are some positives but we really need to (or I want us to) knock it about a bit
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Post by Nick on Oct 30, 2018 23:10:02 GMT
Well summarised sdg Some posts far too negative. Really liked the look of our 2 debutants. Swaine strong and commanding for 44 minutes (hopefully his injury is minor). Smith looks a class act and did everything calmly and confidently. Pax and Phillips very competitive in midfield with a good passing game. Would have been good to have some wider options, a lot is being asked of Turgott to play on both flanks. Cassidy and Romain had decent games but the former did miss a sitter from close to the penalty spot. Still strong at the back, competitive in midfield and improving up front. Even Gold managed to impress for the first time when he came on as sub. Overall, quite encouaging
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Post by pwoodstone on Oct 30, 2018 23:14:11 GMT
Well summarised sdg Some posts far too negative. Really liked the look of our 2 debutants. Swayne strong and commanding for 44 minutes (hopefully his injury is minor). Smith looks a class act and did everything calmly and confidently. Pax and Phillips very competitive in midfield with a good passing game. Would have been good to have some wider options, a lot is being asked of Turgott to play on both flanks. Cassidy and Domain had decent games but the former did miss a sitter from close to the penalty spot. Still strong at the back, competitive in midfield and improving up front. Even Gold managed to impress for the first time when he came on as sub. Overall, quite encouaging I think Turgott needs to mix it up a bit though. i.e pass sometimes
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Post by Sennockian69 on Oct 30, 2018 23:25:07 GMT
A fair result, two teams not wanting to lose. We looked good in spells and was a lot more organised and solid than on Saturday but we're desperately lacking width. So many times Pax and Phillips had the ball and looked for a wide option when it wasn't available. Swaine looks good, hopefully his injury is minor and a quick recovery. Smith looked class, commanded the area all evening and could do little about the goal. Gold done well, Romain is fantastic at pressing and running the channels. If ever a player deserved a goal it's Cassidy, I really hope he finds the net soon. Once he gets one i'm sure the goals will flow. Going forward we lack any width . Stonebridge Road is a ground that demands that the width be utilized effectively. You cannot expect one player , Blair to do that and to run the channels as well. Also why don't we support Cassidy when the ball is kicked long. It just comes back.
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Post by nws on Oct 30, 2018 23:39:01 GMT
A fairly turgid game played by two sides that look like they will struggle. I thought we looked marginally better than Ebbsfleet going forward, but only marginally. Poor marking for both goals. A point was fair. Lovely to get to meet and sit and chat to Phil for this game. A nice fella.
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Post by jdl on Oct 30, 2018 23:55:26 GMT
Not using the width at Stonebridge Road was criminal. But otherwise a fairly dull game and probably a fair result - although there was a period in the 2nd half when I thought Fleet were going to make it 2-0.
Smith looked good, commanded his area better than Worgan, and kicks better, but he mostly wasn't really tested, so difficult to say more than that. No opinion on Swaine, as I couldn't really see what was going on at the other end, so he was subbed before I could see what he was like!
Otherwise it wasn't much different to Saturday - a little more promising at times, but we still never looked like scoring. Turgott puzzles me - one minute he is running everywhere, constantly worrying away at the defence, the next he has disappeared. Another Hines?
The definition of irony? Getting our first point for ages AND dropping into the relegation zone! Let's hope Dover really are as shite as they appear and that wasn't the start of something for D&R, because, at the moment, we badly need 4 teams beneath us.
Strange to be back at Stonebridge Road after 30 odd years - at first it looks very different, with that strange new 'stand', but then it all started to look rather familiar, just with a new coat of paint. So where's all that money gone? Certainly not on the away end. And EVERYTHING red? Thank Christ we play in two colours...
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Post by stonelacro on Oct 31, 2018 0:16:10 GMT
Well summarised sdg Some posts far too negative. Really liked the look of our 2 debutants. Swaine strong and commanding for 44 minutes (hopefully his injury is minor). Smith looks a class act and did everything calmly and confidently. Pax and Phillips very competitive in midfield with a good passing game. Would have been good to have some wider options, a lot is being asked of Turgott to play on both flanks. Cassidy and Romain had decent games but the former did miss a sitter from close to the penalty spot. Still strong at the back, competitive in midfield and improving up front. Even Gold managed to impress for the first time when he came on as sub. Overall, quite encouaging Blimey nick, I admire the ' Glass half full ' attitude, but 'encouraging' really? We just dropped into the relegation zone - by drawing against a team in absolute turmoil, players not being paid, not knowing if they have a job tomorrow, losing their coach their assistant manager and having the worst home record in the league! If we are wrong being negative about that, when do you think it would right to be negative? Can't possibly see us having a better chance than that, of getting three points away this season so, No, unlike you I don't think it was encouraging and a borrowed keeper was the only reason it wasn't a damn site worse!
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Post by nws on Oct 31, 2018 0:27:44 GMT
Not using the width at Stonebridge Road was criminal. But otherwise a fairly dull game and probably a fair result - although there was a period in the 2nd half when I thought Fleet were going to make it 2-0. Smith looked good, commanded his area better than Worgan, and kicks better, but he mostly wasn't really tested, so difficult to say more than that. No opinion on Swaine, as I couldn't really see what was going on at the other end, so he was subbed before I could see what he was like! Otherwise it wasn't much different to Saturday - a little more promising at times, but we still never looked like scoring. Turgott puzzles me - one minute he is running everywhere, constantly worrying away at the defence, the next he has disappeared. Another Hines? The definition of irony? Getting our first point for ages AND dropping into the relegation zone! Let's hope Dover really are as shite as they appear and that wasn't the start of something for D&R, because, at the moment, we badly need 4 teams beneath us. Strange to be back at Stonebridge Road after 30 odd years - at first it looks very different, with that strange new 'stand', but then it all started to look rather familiar, just with a new coat of paint. So where's all that money gone? Certainly not on the away end. And EVERYTHING red? Thank Christ we play in two colours... Didn't you go there when Peter Overton Scored the winner in the cup final?
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Post by rockstar on Oct 31, 2018 5:45:59 GMT
Whilst it was nice to get a point and to be honest I would have taken that before we kicked off, the result tonight was nothing more than a sticky plaster, we were poor and I’m still to be convinced by Walton who seems to shout a lot and argue with the officials, it was his error that resulted in them scoring, ah well roll on Saturday and a trip to Barnet Totally agree about Walton. Not convinced at all but he is one of HW favourites. He has no composure on the ball at all and always kicks it long. I don’t mind kicking it long as long as it’s calculated and to the striker, not just lump it and hope for the best. Let’s see how we do without him on Saturday as heard that he is suspended.
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Post by pwoodstone on Oct 31, 2018 8:00:05 GMT
Well summarised sdg Some posts far too negative. Really liked the look of our 2 debutants. Swaine strong and commanding for 44 minutes (hopefully his injury is minor). Smith looks a class act and did everything calmly and confidently. Pax and Phillips very competitive in midfield with a good passing game. Would have been good to have some wider options, a lot is being asked of Turgott to play on both flanks. Cassidy and Romain had decent games but the former did miss a sitter from close to the penalty spot. Still strong at the back, competitive in midfield and improving up front. Even Gold managed to impress for the first time when he came on as sub. Overall, quite encouaging Blimey nick, I admire the ' Glass half full ' attitude, but 'encouraging' really? We just dropped into the relegation zone - by drawing against a team in absolute turmoil, players not being paid, not knowing if they have a job tomorrow, losing their coach their assistant manager and having the worst home record in the league! If we are wrong being negative about that, when do you think it would right to be negative? Can't possibly see us having a better chance than that, of getting three points away this season so, No, unlike you I don't think it was encouraging and a borrowed keeper was the only reason it wasn't a damn site worse! The keeper didn’t win us that point at all. He didn’t have anything to do. The defence played well.
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Post by Nick on Oct 31, 2018 8:46:03 GMT
Sorry to interrupt the gloom and doom merchants but imho it was a decent performance. Whatever you think, Swainey looked very good, winning everthing in the air and ground. Heresy maybe, but Smith is an excellent keeper, not a half bad replacement for Worgs. Finney looked very sound at full back for the first 45 minutes, didn't put a foot wrong. Less convinced by Seth. Will impressive again. Both Phillips and Paxo did work their socks off, more than just competitive in midfield. Even Walton who has come in for stick won most of his battles when it mattered. Pretty he may not be and something of a 'Mr Nasty' on the pitch, but nobody is going to bully him. The team needs a player like him in defensive midfield. Up front, still work in progress and we need more width than just Turgott. What happened to our flying wing back Doyle ? Good defensively, but not much sign of attacking intent yet. Lack of goals from Cassidy but still looks the part. Romain a handy player too. Leaves just Turgott who in my book is very, very good. So yes, encouraging stuff, not there yet by a distance but moving in the right direction. Looking forward a bit more to Saturday now.
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Post by headstone on Oct 31, 2018 9:37:01 GMT
Doyle spent his time trying to cope with two attackers down his flank, but he got forward more in the second half. My MoM. Our shape was all wrong with no right back, leaving huge gaps for Ebbsfleet to run into; just as well it wasn't Solihull we were playing. So pleased when HW took Walton off, he seems to me to be on the point of conceding a goal whenever he has the ball, and we were much improved afterwards.
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Post by jdl on Oct 31, 2018 9:40:57 GMT
Harry clearly doesn't like wing play. With a pitch as wide as SR, we could have had Seth and Doyle bombing up the wings, feeding the front men and Turgott using all that space for his trickery. But instead Packman and Phillips were working their socks off trying to go up the middle, where our attacks were snuffed out every time.
That, plus the constant long balls (to whom?), resulted in a great deal of work with no result. Nothing from our leading scorer, and our only goal from a set piece. As on Saturday, we could have played for the rest of the week and still not scored from open play.
Harry is good at getting in players (although, presumably with a lot more money than Jay had), but I am yet to be convinced by what he gets out of those players on the pitch. Heresy, so whisper it quietly, but is it possible that Harry doesn't actually know what he's doing?
Cue "it's still early days", "team hasn't had time to gell yet", etc, etc. But how long does it take? We're still dropping down the table - no sign of consolidation, let alone progress. Christmas soon - if we're still where we are then, we're fucked.
I travel in hope Saturday, as always, and hope to be proven wrong. But if we nearly lose to Fleet in the state they're in, I don't see how we can expect much at the Hive.
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Post by bear5 on Oct 31, 2018 9:44:27 GMT
I thought it was a game between two, at best, average teams. If anything, I think Ebbsfleet looked better in possession and kept the ball in small spells in a way that we didn't. Finney at right back was odd and it isn't great story for Seth that he was regarded as a better choice. Swaine looked good and Smith was as well, although I can't say he kicks it any longer than Worgan.
The problem isn't so much the defence as scoring goals. To be honest, it was a surprise to score because up till then other than a chance for Cassidy it seemed to be a question of whether Turgott could create something for himself. Winning games involves scoring goals and we just don't look like doing it very often. Some of this may be confidence but some of it appears to be they way the team is set up - there's just little cohesion in attack and not even enough numbers: at one point, we attacked down the right and there was not a single player in the box.
On Walton, he's a mystery - he simply doesn't look fit to me and while an experienced player can be clever enough to use space and a good touch rather than running around, so many times he just wafted the ball anywhere or, on occasion, miscued it completely.
It was the first game I've seen since Bromley and I can't see much has changed in a month. It may be that things will get better when players settle down but for that to happen, the turnover of players needs to slow down or stop.
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