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Post by pebble on Nov 29, 2014 12:54:42 GMT
It would appear that we have a lengthy list of rules and regulations in force without having to resort to criminal law so USE THEM. This subject is not about swearing or banter whatever you want to call it. It is about scenarios of blatant racist and homophobic behaviour. It's about throwing things on the pitch and getting away with it ( two occasions spring to mind). It's about letting off flares and getting away with it. It's about physical assaults on other supporters.
All people want is for the true supporters to be able to come to the game enjoy a few drinks and have a great day out AND bring their wives kids mums whoever. All the true fans want is the club to act and get rid of the already identified transgressors. We don't want or expect people to be kicked out for every minor transgression, football is a passionate game after all and on occasion passions can run high ( even in the main stand). The club have been quick to post the reams of regulations well now it is time to put up or shut up.
Inaction is seen as weakness.
COYS.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 13:54:22 GMT
Is there a reason why this is so? The legislation that cover this is massive and would run into hundreds of pages of legal documents. In short though the FA has different catalogues of game, A being premiership, B championship with the lowest class C. From memory the conference prem is covered but I'm not sure about the north and south. This is also one of the reasons we are allowed to drink in view of the pitch apart from FA cup as these are categorised. A banning order will be individual to each person and will not prevent anyone from being within a mile of a ground as that would be a logistical nightmare to enforce. I have a feeling it will be down to the fact that there are so many non league clubs out there that it would never be able to be cascaded down. I see that within the ground regs that they reserve the right to refuse entry to anyone on a banning order. I have no clue how they would know who is and who isn't. It will be down to the club to ban anyone they want and to enforce it. Cheers. So it is literally the legislation. Although I can see that it would be difficult to police. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 13:57:09 GMT
10. Fireworks, flares, smoke canisters, laser devices, air horns, knives, bottles, glass vessels, flags, banners, poles and other similar articles or containers, which might be used as a weapon, are not permitted in the ground. Incredible thread, someone swears a lot, idiotic I know and 7 pages, someone lets off a smoke canister in a crowded, confined space, surely this was far more idiotic and dangerous (for a minute it was quite frightening, I know I was in the middle of it), but no one mentions it. I, personally, made no comment about the letting off of a canister because I was not at the game so have no clue whether it was frightening etc. I agree that this should also have been discussed. That in itself is not a reason for discussing other things though, surely? |
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Post by jt on Nov 29, 2014 19:39:14 GMT
Id of thought if the smoke thing caused offense it would of made peiple discus it for 7 pages clearly it didnt so we discus something that did cause offense why make a problem of this Anyone able to translate this into English? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 19:52:40 GMT
Id of thought if the smoke thing caused offense it would of made peiple discus it for 7 pages clearly it didnt so we discus something that did cause offense why make a problem of this Anyone able to translate this into English? I'd have thought that if the smoke thing did cause offence it would have made people discuss it for 7 pages. Clearly it didn't so we are discussing something that did cause offence. Why make a problem of this? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 21:24:31 GMT
The legislation that cover this is massive and would run into hundreds of pages of legal documents. In short though the FA has different catalogues of game, A being premiership, B championship with the lowest class C. From memory the conference prem is covered but I'm not sure about the north and south. This is also one of the reasons we are allowed to drink in view of the pitch apart from FA cup as these are categorised. A banning order will be individual to each person and will not prevent anyone from being within a mile of a ground as that would be a logistical nightmare to enforce. I have a feeling it will be down to the fact that there are so many non league clubs out there that it would never be able to be cascaded down. I see that within the ground regs that they reserve the right to refuse entry to anyone on a banning order. I have no clue how they would know who is and who isn't. It will be down to the club to ban anyone they want and to enforce it. Cheers. So it is literally the legislation. Although I can see that it would be difficult to police. Can I just say how pleasing it is for you two guys, both who I consider friends, playing so nicely Keep it going boys! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 21:30:42 GMT
Exactly my thoughts Tim. It doesn't take much for basic manners and for two smashing fella's to get along makes me happy. You wouldn't catch me calling people names. So, happy times.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 22:05:11 GMT
The one time I saw someone challenged at home it was a teenager shouting "shitpiece" every time a keeper (funnily enough) kicked the ball. A woman reminded him there were young children present and it stopped immediately. I also visited Peterborough many years ago and some guy was shouting general abuse at black players only, and you just sort of knew what was coming next. But the moment he shouted "black bastard" about a dozen people immediately turned and told him to shut up, and he did.
It is hard to be the first to be brave, but the overwhelming impression I get is everybody knows the line between funny banter and abuse, and does not want it being crossed at home. In the absence of any apparent action or statement from the club to enforce their own rules, we are just going to have to do this ourselves. Once somebody decent makes a stand, I'm sure the rest of the decent majority will offer support.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 22:52:02 GMT
Exactly my thoughts Tim. It doesn't take much for basic manners and for two smashing fella's to get along makes me happy. You wouldn't catch me calling people names. So, happy times. How do you manage to make people understand who you are addressing in a conversation where several people are involved? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 23:24:33 GMT
An odd sort of unfinished one though. What exactly is he on about? We moaned about I on here and in other places, and someone took a photo, but did we actually 'do' anything? He gets my personal award for sentence of the month though: "Stick that in your “oooh hipsters gentrifying non-league” pipe you f**king clowns." Class. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 23:40:51 GMT
10. Fireworks, flares, smoke canisters, laser devices, air horns, knives, bottles, glass vessels, flags, banners, poles and other similar articles or containers, which might be used as a weapon, are not permitted in the ground. Incredible thread, someone swears a lot, idiotic I know and 7 pages, someone lets off a smoke canister in a crowded, confined space, surely this was far more idiotic and dangerous (for a minute it was quite frightening, I know I was in the middle of it), but no one mentions it. I found the smoke bomb incident quite bizarre - and worrying, especially as we were on TV and it was very visible (did the TV coverage make much of it?). We normally stand in the Town End, but couldn't get in that day, so didn't experience it directly, but, had I been in my usual position, I would have been astonished that a) some total moron had thought to do such a thing, and b) said total moron wasn't ejected forcibly, immediately. Incidentally, today I noticed that two security people had a table set up outside the turnstiles, presumably to check people's bags (for smoke bombs?). But they didn't seem to be bothering to check anyone. As it happened, I was carrying a carrier bag, having not had time to go home before the game, and, as this was very unusual for me (normally I carry nothing but scars from Normandy Beach...), I feared I was about to be searched. But, nothing, not even a glance in my direction. Now, admittedly, I'm a 61 year old granddad, who looks like he wouldn't say 'boo' to a goose (I wouldn't , geese are bloody terrifying!), but who's to say what a typical smoke bomb smuggler looks like... And, incidentally (2), the crowd was VERY quiet today, even though it was a cracking attendance for a league game against a nonentity team. Even the feared Town End 'middle section' were quiet. Is it possible that they read this forum (I had assumed not, as reading was probably well beyond their mental thresholds) and were shamed into behaving themselves? Or was it just that it was a pretty bloody POOR game? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 23:41:42 GMT
Anyone able to translate this into English? I'd have thought that if the smoke thing did cause offence it would have made people discuss it for 7 pages. Clearly it didn't so we are discussing something that did cause offence. Why make a problem of this? It's like Pavlov's dogs! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 23:49:10 GMT
10. Fireworks, flares, smoke canisters, laser devices, air horns, knives, bottles, glass vessels, flags, banners, poles and other similar articles or containers, which might be used as a weapon, are not permitted in the ground. Incredible thread, someone swears a lot, idiotic I know and 7 pages, someone lets off a smoke canister in a crowded, confined space, surely this was far more idiotic and dangerous (for a minute it was quite frightening, I know I was in the middle of it), but no one mentions it. I found the smoke bomb incident quite bizarre - and worrying, especially as we were on TV and it was very visible (did the TV coverage make much of it?). We normally stand in the Town End, but couldn't get in that day, so didn't experience it directly, but, had I been in my usual position, I would have been astonished that a) some total moron had thought to do such a thing, and b) said total moron wasn't ejected forcibly, immediately. Incidentally, today I noticed that two security people had a table set up outside the turnstiles, presumably to check people's bags (for smoke bombs?). But they didn't seem to be bothering to check anyone. As it happened, I was carrying a carrier bag, having not had time to go home before the game, and, as this was very unusual for me (normally I carry nothing but scars from Normandy Beach...), I feared I was about to be searched. But, nothing, not even a glance in my direction. Now, admittedly, I'm a 61 year old granddad, who looks like he wouldn't say 'boo' to a goose (I wouldn't , geese are bloody terrifying!), but who's to say what a typical smoke bomb smuggler looks like... And, incidentally (2), the crowd was VERY quiet today, even though it was a cracking attendance for a league game against a nonentity team. Even the feared Town End 'middle section' were quiet. Is it possible that they read this forum (I had assumed not, as reading was probably well beyond their metal thresholds) and were shamed into behaving themselves? Or was it just that it was a pretty bloody POOR game? To be fair it was really only half a poor game. The second half was decent. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 0:00:03 GMT
The one time I saw someone challenged at home it was a teenager shouting "shitpiece" every time a keeper (funnily enough) kicked the ball. A woman reminded him there were young children present and it stopped immediately. I also visited Peterborough many years ago and some guy was shouting general abuse at black players only, and you just sort of knew what was coming next. But the moment he shouted "black bastard" about a dozen people immediately turned and told him to shut up, and he did. It is hard to be the first to be brave, but the overwhelming impression I get is everybody knows the line between funny banter and abuse, and does not want it being crossed at home. In the absence of any apparent action or statement from the club to enforce their own rules, we are just going to have to do this ourselves. Once somebody decent makes a stand, I'm sure the rest of the decent majority will offer support. We're all behind you then... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 0:08:13 GMT
I found the smoke bomb incident quite bizarre - and worrying, especially as we were on TV and it was very visible (did the TV coverage make much of it?). We normally stand in the Town End, but couldn't get in that day, so didn't experience it directly, but, had I been in my usual position, I would have been astonished that a) some total moron had thought to do such a thing, and b) said total moron wasn't ejected forcibly, immediately. Incidentally, today I noticed that two security people had a table set up outside the turnstiles, presumably to check people's bags (for smoke bombs?). But they didn't seem to be bothering to check anyone. As it happened, I was carrying a carrier bag, having not had time to go home before the game, and, as this was very unusual for me (normally I carry nothing but scars from Normandy Beach...), I feared I was about to be searched. But, nothing, not even a glance in my direction. Now, admittedly, I'm a 61 year old granddad, who looks like he wouldn't say 'boo' to a goose (I wouldn't , geese are bloody terrifying!), but who's to say what a typical smoke bomb smuggler looks like... And, incidentally (2), the crowd was VERY quiet today, even though it was a cracking attendance for a league game against a nonentity team. Even the feared Town End 'middle section' were quiet. Is it possible that they read this forum (I had assumed not, as reading was probably well beyond their metal thresholds) and were shamed into behaving themselves? Or was it just that it was a pretty bloody POOR game? To be fair it was really only half a poor game. The second half was decent. The second half was half-decent, would be more accurate. The most interesting thing about the game (apart from Parkinson's wonder pass and the beardy bloke's beard) was the fact that two of their players went off injured - without any of our players touching them! |
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