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Post by holysmokes66 on Feb 19, 2023 8:38:19 GMT
Sam Bone and Corne were injured in training - I do wonder if we'd been able to play Bone at CB, shifting Fowler out to the right and then also having Corne to come off the bench to add a spark of energy to our midfield would have helped.
As I've said, we played 7 wingers throughout this game - Marshall & Shonibare making their debuts and the maligned Walters making the step up to make his first appearance in the NL this season - maybe what we lacked this game was options. I couldn't have told you our formation at the end of the game with Deacon, Shonibare, Walters, Barham ans Wanjau-Smith all on the pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 8:41:28 GMT
If we are honest, we jacked it in the moment the takeover fell through. We sacked our manager and had the usual hundreds of interested parties and effectively kept it in-house. We have trimmed the squad since. I feel a bit like the club is taking the p@£&. I have my season ticket and it’s a shame we have written the season off. I fear it's worse than that. We were going to stay with Hak, despite it being obvious for weeks that he couldn't turn things aruond. He only went because our (almost) new owner understood the situation and knew it was time for a change. At least George is giving us some good games and a bit of hope. But the minute the club decided to stay with Hak, we were fucked. I will always be grateful to Terry, Oliver and Bill for giving me my club back - whatever happens. But they clearly don't know how to run a football club. They kicked Jay out, after all he had done (when the problem was never Jay, it was the way the club was run), and then they kept Hak on when the problem was clearly him. We should be a successful NL club - lower mid-table, at least, with the potential to go further in time - we have the ground, the support, and the potential. But as long as we continue to be run in the way we are, we will remain a NS/NL yo-yo club, with all that potential wasted - and fans constantly frustrated. The problem with this assessment, JDL, is that whether you agreed or disagreed with the managerial sackings, a lack of investment in the playing budget is at the bottom of our inability to punch hard enough at NL level. JS signed some terrible players before his last season in charge started, probably because he wasn't given enough money to spend, and Hak couldn't stick a useful 'Band Aid' on our problems when they became clear for the same reason. If your conclusion is going to be that Oliver, Terry and Bill "don't know how to run a football club" based on this, you would have to conclude the directors should have put more money into better players - this is a road that leads to debt, unless Oliver and Terry put their hands deeper into their own pockets, which they always said they were not prepared to do. In my view you can't say they "don't know how to run a football club" simply because they aren't prepared to do what so many other clubs do, and run at a loss. I don't think that IS what you meant - you were saying the hiring and firing of managers in terms of timings were wrong, but when you really think about what has caused our failure to be competitive, a lack of playing budget has been the biggest problem, rather than who is in charge.
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Post by Sennockian69 on Feb 19, 2023 8:42:40 GMT
Sam Bone and Corne were injured in training - I do wonder if we'd been able to play Bone at CB, shifting Fowler out to the right and then also having Corne to come off the bench to add a spark of energy to our midfield would have helped. As I've said, we played 7 wingers throughout this game - Marshall & Shonibare making their debuts and the maligned Walters making the step up to make his first appearance in the NL this season - maybe what we lacked this game was options. I couldn't have told you our formation at the end of the game with Deacon, Shonibare, Walters, Barham ans Wanjau-Smith all on the pitch. Bone and Cawley were injured in training. Corne was injured at Eastleigh in the FA Trophy match and in the previous two league games. The bench for yesterdays game showed that we lacked options.
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Post by Rob on Feb 19, 2023 9:02:24 GMT
All those players we have signed up this season (somewhere between 30-40) and then be told that we lacked options on the bench.
What a mess !
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Post by steveh21 on Feb 19, 2023 9:22:29 GMT
I fear it's worse than that. We were going to stay with Hak, despite it being obvious for weeks that he couldn't turn things aruond. He only went because our (almost) new owner understood the situation and knew it was time for a change. At least George is giving us some good games and a bit of hope. But the minute the club decided to stay with Hak, we were fucked. I will always be grateful to Terry, Oliver and Bill for giving me my club back - whatever happens. But they clearly don't know how to run a football club. They kicked Jay out, after all he had done (when the problem was never Jay, it was the way the club was run), and then they kept Hak on when the problem was clearly him. We should be a successful NL club - lower mid-table, at least, with the potential to go further in time - we have the ground, the support, and the potential. But as long as we continue to be run in the way we are, we will remain a NS/NL yo-yo club, with all that potential wasted - and fans constantly frustrated. The problem with this assessment, JDL, is that whether you agreed or disagreed with the managerial sackings, a lack of investment in the playing budget is at the bottom of our inability to punch hard enough at NL level. JS signed some terrible players before his last season in charge started, probably because he wasn't given enough money to spend, and Hak couldn't stick a useful 'Band Aid' on our problems when they became clear for the same reason. If your conclusion is going to be that Oliver, Terry and Bill "don't know how to run a football club" based on this, you would have to conclude the directors should have put more money into better players - this is a road that leads to debt, unless Oliver and Terry put their hands deeper into their own pockets, which they always said they were not prepared to do. In my view you can't say they "don't know how to run a football club" simply because they aren't prepared to do what so many other clubs do, and run at a loss. I don't think that IS what you meant - you were saying the hiring and firing of managers in terms of timings were wrong, but when you really think about what has caused our failure to be competitive, a lack of playing budget has been the biggest problem, rather than who is in charge. For many of us this season has panned out exactly as expected when we saw how many players were retained and the poor summer signings. Club kept Hak for too long out of loyalty and not wanting to be seen to make the same mistake they did be sacking Jay too early. This league season was over at Christmas. Will be interesting to see the Club's decision re new manager. Will it be a decision made with the head or the heart?
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Post by 61666 on Feb 19, 2023 11:00:50 GMT
Only have the highlights to go on, but one shot on target the whole match? What happened to the attacking flair we showed at Eastleigh? At the moment, it seems we set up in league matches not to concede, which suggests we are only looking for a draw. I like George a lot, but every time I think about him as our 'permanent' manager, I wonder about his ambition in the league. There is a little evidence of clearing the decks for next season, but no evidence of actually wanting to win league matches. This is going to kill attendance figures for the rest of our home games because who wants to pay £20 plus in the hope of a safe draw (which we know ain't going to happen anyway). Please can we at least go down fighting now?
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Post by sword65 on Feb 19, 2023 11:23:10 GMT
I'll just take the day out at Wembley.
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Post by hongkongstone on Feb 20, 2023 3:21:12 GMT
I fear it's worse than that. We were going to stay with Hak, despite it being obvious for weeks that he couldn't turn things aruond. He only went because our (almost) new owner understood the situation and knew it was time for a change. At least George is giving us some good games and a bit of hope. But the minute the club decided to stay with Hak, we were fucked. I will always be grateful to Terry, Oliver and Bill for giving me my club back - whatever happens. But they clearly don't know how to run a football club. They kicked Jay out, after all he had done (when the problem was never Jay, it was the way the club was run), and then they kept Hak on when the problem was clearly him. We should be a successful NL club - lower mid-table, at least, with the potential to go further in time - we have the ground, the support, and the potential. But as long as we continue to be run in the way we are, we will remain a NS/NL yo-yo club, with all that potential wasted - and fans constantly frustrated. The problem with this assessment, JDL, is that whether you agreed or disagreed with the managerial sackings, a lack of investment in the playing budget is at the bottom of our inability to punch hard enough at NL level. JS signed some terrible players before his last season in charge started, probably because he wasn't given enough money to spend, and Hak couldn't stick a useful 'Band Aid' on our problems when they became clear for the same reason. If your conclusion is going to be that Oliver, Terry and Bill "don't know how to run a football club" based on this, you would have to conclude the directors should have put more money into better players - this is a road that leads to debt, unless Oliver and Terry put their hands deeper into their own pockets, which they always said they were not prepared to do. In my view you can't say they "don't know how to run a football club" simply because they aren't prepared to do what so many other clubs do, and run at a loss. I don't think that IS what you meant - you were saying the hiring and firing of managers in terms of timings were wrong, but when you really think about what has caused our failure to be competitive, a lack of playing budget has been the biggest problem, rather than who is in charge.
I do not believe it is the budget per se. I was under the impression that it was a mid range budget and it's effectiveness is on how it is spent. As I have said previously do we want a squad of 30 mediocre players or 20 high flyers? Thereafter it is about making the total greater than the sum of the parts.
For example does anyone believe that in the EPL either Brentford or Fulham have a bigger budget than Chelsea?
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Post by 61666 on Feb 20, 2023 8:00:34 GMT
For me, the sheer number of players we have had screams poor management. Regarding George's post match statement, I'm not sure the players really 'left everything out there' though. Good shot for their opener, but to me, we went to sleep on the free kick. Look how many players just watched the ball fly past and then notice how Oldham defenders threw themselves in front of our (pitifully few) shots. George is very loyal to his players and I like that, but I think he needs to be more honest about how we play. He doesn't need to name names, like Hak did, but I've yet to hear him say we gave anything but our best and clearly that cannot be true, given our on going record. Likewise picking the side, where we have seen strange line ups, not least all the wingers on Saturday. I like George - always have - but what we see and hear coming out of the club doesn't make sense at times. If we don't win in the league soon, then I think it will be time for the club to come clean and say what the approach will be for the test of the season. If that is "we know we are down, but George is in charge with the authority to plan and experiment for next season", that is fine by me, but simply bumbling on, however hard players might try just seems like a waste of time at the moment. Just what do those in charge think Maidstone need to do now - and just be open and honest with those who pay to attend.
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Post by holysmokes66 on Feb 20, 2023 10:14:21 GMT
Actually meant to say on Saturday: George Fowler stands out for me at the moment and up until this point is my player of the season. He works so hard and really looks like he cares. He's had to play out of position most of the season but still has given it everything. Good on you, big George!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2023 13:22:06 GMT
The problem with this assessment, JDL, is that whether you agreed or disagreed with the managerial sackings, a lack of investment in the playing budget is at the bottom of our inability to punch hard enough at NL level. JS signed some terrible players before his last season in charge started, probably because he wasn't given enough money to spend, and Hak couldn't stick a useful 'Band Aid' on our problems when they became clear for the same reason. If your conclusion is going to be that Oliver, Terry and Bill "don't know how to run a football club" based on this, you would have to conclude the directors should have put more money into better players - this is a road that leads to debt, unless Oliver and Terry put their hands deeper into their own pockets, which they always said they were not prepared to do. In my view you can't say they "don't know how to run a football club" simply because they aren't prepared to do what so many other clubs do, and run at a loss. I don't think that IS what you meant - you were saying the hiring and firing of managers in terms of timings were wrong, but when you really think about what has caused our failure to be competitive, a lack of playing budget has been the biggest problem, rather than who is in charge.
I do not believe it is the budget per se. I was under the impression that it was a mid range budget and it's effectiveness is on how it is spent. As I have said previously do we want a squad of 30 mediocre players or 20 high flyers? Thereafter it is about making the total greater than the sum of the parts.
For example does anyone believe that in the EPL either Brentford or Fulham have a bigger budget than Chelsea?
I do agree that we've far too many players. Paying a full-time wage to players who are average NLS hacks at best doesn't make sense.
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Post by jdl on Feb 22, 2023 2:08:28 GMT
I fear it's worse than that. We were going to stay with Hak, despite it being obvious for weeks that he couldn't turn things aruond. He only went because our (almost) new owner understood the situation and knew it was time for a change. At least George is giving us some good games and a bit of hope. But the minute the club decided to stay with Hak, we were fucked. I will always be grateful to Terry, Oliver and Bill for giving me my club back - whatever happens. But they clearly don't know how to run a football club. They kicked Jay out, after all he had done (when the problem was never Jay, it was the way the club was run), and then they kept Hak on when the problem was clearly him. We should be a successful NL club - lower mid-table, at least, with the potential to go further in time - we have the ground, the support, and the potential. But as long as we continue to be run in the way we are, we will remain a NS/NL yo-yo club, with all that potential wasted - and fans constantly frustrated. The problem with this assessment, JDL, is that whether you agreed or disagreed with the managerial sackings, a lack of investment in the playing budget is at the bottom of our inability to punch hard enough at NL level. JS signed some terrible players before his last season in charge started, probably because he wasn't given enough money to spend, and Hak couldn't stick a useful 'Band Aid' on our problems when they became clear for the same reason. If your conclusion is going to be that Oliver, Terry and Bill "don't know how to run a football club" based on this, you would have to conclude the directors should have put more money into better players - this is a road that leads to debt, unless Oliver and Terry put their hands deeper into their own pockets, which they always said they were not prepared to do. In my view you can't say they "don't know how to run a football club" simply because they aren't prepared to do what so many other clubs do, and run at a loss. I don't think that IS what you meant - you were saying the hiring and firing of managers in terms of timings were wrong, but when you really think about what has caused our failure to be competitive, a lack of playing budget has been the biggest problem, rather than who is in charge. Of course that isn't what I meant - as should be obvious. As far as I know, I think our playing budget is probably adequate to survive in the NL - there are clubs with (apparently) less money than us who manage it. It's not how much money we have, it's how it's spent. And our's has been pissed up the wall. As I said, the people in charge don't seem to know how to run the club at above NS level - they've had two chances, and they've screwed up both times. No disrespect, no blame, that's just how it is, but there's no point in ignoring this fact out of loyalty. Of course, it's their club and their money, so it's their choice - if they are happier with a good NS club that has the odd attempt at NL, so be it. But it's also up to us whether or not we cough up £18 every other Saturday. Today I hurt my foot (again!) and could barely walk, so I didn't go to the game (although, as a ST holder, they still got my money - and I still counted as one of the 'crowd'!). Of course, I could have got a taxi to the ground - and in days gone by, no matter how we were playing or who was in charge, I would have done just that. But I didn't. And, judging by the gate, I wasn't the only one to feel like that.
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Post by sword65 on Feb 22, 2023 2:56:23 GMT
The problem with this assessment, JDL, is that whether you agreed or disagreed with the managerial sackings, a lack of investment in the playing budget is at the bottom of our inability to punch hard enough at NL level. JS signed some terrible players before his last season in charge started, probably because he wasn't given enough money to spend, and Hak couldn't stick a useful 'Band Aid' on our problems when they became clear for the same reason. If your conclusion is going to be that Oliver, Terry and Bill "don't know how to run a football club" based on this, you would have to conclude the directors should have put more money into better players - this is a road that leads to debt, unless Oliver and Terry put their hands deeper into their own pockets, which they always said they were not prepared to do. In my view you can't say they "don't know how to run a football club" simply because they aren't prepared to do what so many other clubs do, and run at a loss. I don't think that IS what you meant - you were saying the hiring and firing of managers in terms of timings were wrong, but when you really think about what has caused our failure to be competitive, a lack of playing budget has been the biggest problem, rather than who is in charge. Of course that isn't what I meant - as should be obvious. As far as I know, I think our playing budget is probably adequate to survive in the NL - there are clubs with (apparently) less money than us who manage it. It's not how much money we have, it's how it's spent. And our's has been pissed up the wall. As I said, the people in charge don't seem to know how to run the club at above NS level - they've had two chances, and they've screwed up both times. No disrespect, no blame, that's just how it is, but there's no point in ignoring this fact out of loyalty. Of course, it's their club and their money, so it's their choice - if they are happier with a good NS club that has the odd attempt at NL, so be it. But it's also up to us whether or not we cough up £18 every other Saturday. Today I hurt my foot (again!) and could barely walk, so I didn't go to the game (although, as a ST holder, they still got my money - and I still counted as one of the 'crowd'!). Of course, I could have got a taxi to the ground - and in days gone by, no matter how we were playing or who was in charge, I would have done just that. But I didn't. And, judging by the gate, I wasn't the only one to feel like that. I dont trust any attendance figures ,ours or anyone else's.I was at Folkestone v Corinthian Casuals on Saturday and there were barely 400 there yet the crowd was 778. Why they would announce more than there is I do not know but if it was 778 then I'm gonna buy a hat and eat it.
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