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Post by jdl on Feb 18, 2023 20:53:15 GMT
So this is it for the rest of the season? One good game, get your hopes up, one bad game, hopes dashed again.
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Post by holysmokes66 on Feb 18, 2023 20:59:52 GMT
I honestly don't think we were that bad today. A draw would have been fair all things considered, as neither team truly turned up or even created much.
However, we've done this near enough consistently over our preceeding 31 games. That's the issue. I said previously: the points we were losing weren't points we could get back, and now the failings of the first half of the season really are coming back to haunt us.
No idea what the squad will look like next season, who our manager will be or what shape we'll be in to return but we'll just have to see at this point.
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Post by jdl on Feb 18, 2023 21:03:23 GMT
Just 2 wins in the league in our last 26 games, not even our last time in this league we were this bad. If we are honest, we jacked it in the moment the takeover fell through. We sacked our manager and had the usual hundreds of interested parties and effectively kept it in-house. We have trimmed the squad since. I feel a bit like the club is taking the p@£&. I have my season ticket and it’s a shame we have written the season off. I fear it's worse than that. We were going to stay with Hak, despite it being obvious for weeks that he couldn't turn things aruond. He only went because our (almost) new owner understood the situation and knew it was time for a change. At least George is giving us some good games and a bit of hope. But the minute the club decided to stay with Hak, we were fucked. I will always be grateful to Terry, Oliver and Bill for giving me my club back - whatever happens. But they clearly don't know how to run a football club. They kicked Jay out, after all he had done (when the problem was never Jay, it was the way the club was run), and then they kept Hak on when the problem was clearly him. We should be a successful NL club - lower mid-table, at least, with the potential to go further in time - we have the ground, the support, and the potential. But as long as we continue to be run in the way we are, we will remain a NS/NL yo-yo club, with all that potential wasted - and fans constantly frustrated. |
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Post by Raymondo316 on Feb 18, 2023 21:10:48 GMT
So this is it for the rest of the season? One good game, get your hopes up, one bad game, hopes dashed again. When we've won just 2 league games in nearly 6 months, you realise there's no hope for this team. Now I just can't wait for this season to bloody end. |
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Post by Raymondo316 on Feb 18, 2023 21:17:55 GMT
I honestly don't think we were that bad today. A draw would have been fair all things considered, as neither team truly turned up or even created much. We never looked like getting anything out of that game. Oldham created more chances and could have easily won by more, meanwhile we only had like one shot on goal.....we never looked like actually scoring. |
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Post by Raymondo316 on Feb 18, 2023 21:32:00 GMT
I will always be grateful to Terry, Oliver and Bill for giving me my club back - whatever happens. But they clearly don't know how to run a football club. They kicked Jay out, after all he had done (when the problem was never Jay, it was the way the club was run), and then they kept Hak on when the problem was clearly him.
We should be a successful NL club - lower mid-table, at least, with the potential to go further in time - we have the ground, the support, and the potential. But as long as we continue to be run in the way we are, we will remain a NS/NL yo-yo club, with all that potential wasted - and fans constantly frustrated. If Hak had been sacked in early November when it was clear it wasn't working with him in charge, and we had appointed a proper manager, then I honestly think we would have stayed up. But no we let Hak stay another 2 months badly managing this team. |
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Post by holysmokes66 on Feb 18, 2023 21:41:01 GMT
I honestly don't think we were that bad today. A draw would have been fair all things considered, as neither team truly turned up or even created much. We never looked like getting anything out of that game. Oldham created more chances and could have easily won by more, meanwhile we only had like one shot on goal.....we never looked like actually scoring. I honestly disagree. Their first was from an innocuous foul (I mean, it wasn't a foul.. ) and their second from a mistake. They certainly didn't pepper our goal or really even create a huge amount. Without those goals, they were as sloppy as us for the majority of the game. As I've said elsewhere however- we had 7 wingers play through this game and we wonder why we lost. |
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Post by 61666 on Feb 18, 2023 22:04:08 GMT
That probably says it all...
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Post by Better things to do in life on Feb 18, 2023 22:54:35 GMT
I will always be grateful to Terry, Oliver and Bill for giving me my club back - whatever happens. But they clearly don't know how to run a football club. They kicked Jay out, after all he had done (when the problem was never Jay, it was the way the club was run), and then they kept Hak on when the problem was clearly him.
We should be a successful NL club - lower mid-table, at least, with the potential to go further in time - we have the ground, the support, and the potential. But as long as we continue to be run in the way we are, we will remain a NS/NL yo-yo club, with all that potential wasted - and fans constantly frustrated. If Hak had been sacked in early November when it was clear it wasn't working with him in charge, and we had appointed a proper manager, then I honestly think we would have stayed up. But no we let Hak stay another 2 months badly managing this team. Problem was Raymondo lots of people- especially on this forum- kept banging on about having faith in Hak because he made us champions (which now is up for debate as to now much he influenced that vs just having a good bunch of players) when it was obvious that he was out of his depth in NL. |
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Post by Better things to do in life on Feb 18, 2023 23:04:14 GMT
If we are honest, we jacked it in the moment the takeover fell through. We sacked our manager and had the usual hundreds of interested parties and effectively kept it in-house. We have trimmed the squad since. I feel a bit like the club is taking the p@£&. I have my season ticket and it’s a shame we have written the season off. I fear it's worse than that. We were going to stay with Hak, despite it being obvious for weeks that he couldn't turn things aruond. He only went because our (almost) new owner understood the situation and knew it was time for a change. At least George is giving us some good games and a bit of hope. But the minute the club decided to stay with Hak, we were fucked. I will always be grateful to Terry, Oliver and Bill for giving me my club back - whatever happens. But they clearly don't know how to run a football club. They kicked Jay out, after all he had done (when the problem was never Jay, it was the way the club was run), and then they kept Hak on when the problem was clearly him. We should be a successful NL club - lower mid-table, at least, with the potential to go further in time - we have the ground, the support, and the potential. But as long as we continue to be run in the way we are, we will remain a NS/NL yo-yo club, with all that potential wasted - and fans constantly frustrated. Trouble is JDL Oliver and Terry would probably agree with you / which is why they are looking to sell! |
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Post by Nick on Feb 18, 2023 23:04:36 GMT
Fact is oldboy it was not forum posts that influenced performances, results, signings or sackings.
The forum is just a talking shop amongst supporters, nothing more, nothing less.
The mistake in keeping Hak on for so long is pretty clear but playing a blame game doesn't help anybody.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Feb 18, 2023 23:09:29 GMT
Fact is oldboy it was not forum posts that influenced performances, results, signings or sackings. The forum is just a talking shop amongst supporters, nothing more, nothing less. The mistake in keeping Hak on for so long is pretty clear but playing a blame game doesn't help anybody. Not playing a blame game Nick just showing that those of us who were suggesting Hak should go early on were in a criticised minority at the time but now are being proven right! |
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Post by jdl on Feb 19, 2023 0:18:51 GMT
I take no pleasure at all from being ‘right'. It hardly takes any skill to look at results and performances and conclude the manager isn't able to take the team forward. To me it was obvious - and I suspect it was to most others as well, including many of the pro-Hak supporters. And I fully understand why they still stood by Hak - there's a lot to be said for loyalty in the game, at least from the supporters' point of view. It's natural to want to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who gave us a Championship.
And I'm as guilty of that as anyone. Look back at my input and you'll find many "in Hak we trust" posts. It took me a long time to face up to the reality that Hak was actually the problem, and that performance eventually outweighs loyalty.
Which is sort of where we are now at the next level up.
I will always be loyal to O&T for what they have given us, and, to me, Bill is Mr Maidstone from the wonderful times he gave us in the 80s. But, here I am criticising the running of the club. So, what am I saying - is it T&O's 'fault', is it Bill's? Who else is there? But I simply cannot bring myself to say anything against people whom I regard as having been so important to the history and survival of Maidstone United. But, if I wasn't so conflicted in my loyalty, whom else would I be criticising?
Of course Terry and Oliver shouldn't 'go' - how could they, when it's their club?! But the facts are really unarguable - despite the great achievements of our promotion pushes, we have now had two periods in the NL, and we have failed both times to take advantage of those promotions, and the potential of the club - because of problems at a higher level than team management.
Unfortunately, it's a lot easier to analyse where things are going wrong, than coming up with answers.
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Post by jdl on Feb 19, 2023 0:37:07 GMT
Getting back to today's game - just from the highlights, we don't look too bad, in fact the teams look pretty similar. Both were frustrating at times, good at others. The difference was that Oldham had the skill, or luck, to convert their chances twice (although one of those was a typical 90 minute plus mistake - which we repeatedly seem to be vulnerable to).
We were up against a side that has recently been taken over and now has the money to bring in new players, whereas we are unbalanced by recent 'forced' changes and injuries. A different day, a different result. Unfortunately, we don't have this philosophic luxury at the moment.
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Post by jdl on Feb 19, 2023 0:37:34 GMT
One thing I did notice, though, is the state of their pitch. Whilst it doesn't look too bad from a distance, close-up it is revealed as effectively being compacted mud, with only the slightest 'covering' of grass. I would argue that the very little grass present makes almost no difference to the way the pitch plays - it is effectively just a flat surface of mud. So in what possible way is that superior to (or even as good as) 3G??
To prove that 3G is acceptable, we have to have a surface which has a certain depth of 'grass', which looks and behaves like grass, and which passes a 'grass' bounce test. All Oldham have to do is roll their mud.
3G is being held up to the highest standard of artificial grass by being compared to a grass pitch at its best. But the reality is very different. Sure, we'd all prefer to play on a grass pitch in August or September, where the grass has been nurtured all summer and is still growing, but that is not what we are actually comparing 3G to for most of the season. For at least five months of the season, with 3G we are the ones actually playing on 'grass', whilst most of the rest of the league get away with playing on a wholly sub-standard surface.
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