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Post by sword65 on Sept 13, 2021 16:38:21 GMT
I am a true legend in the art of silliness but when people call me silly when I am being serious troubles me.Black people are,well almost,black and take offence at being called exactly what they are. I am silly ,I know it ,I am silly but should I take offence at you calling me exactly what I am. What is the difference? Now I can be offended by your remark or I can let it bounce off of my thick skin which is exactly what I chose to do because basically I cannot,and would not want to stop you airing your views. Now if I can put up with the abuse I have had since I left school then why cannot others be they White,black,red or red indian(name that song). PS. It is now coming to the time if year that I will be called Father Christmas by every pisshead in every pub, should I take offence and call for xmas to be banned or do i laugh in there faces and reply with comments like 'shut it you four eyed slaphead'or'shut up mate ,your mouth looks like a c**t no wonder you talk like one'. Far easier to be thick skinned. You can't seriously equate being called 'Father Christmas' with institutionalised racism. Do you think I enjoy people calling me father xmas. Let's face it if kids saw me coming down the chimney they would be in therapy for the rest of their lives.
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Post by shamstone on Sept 13, 2021 16:47:16 GMT
Just to be clear... Is your point that you've been called things so it is only right that other people should be called things? No, my point is that if someone genuinely resembles a famous person then surely it isn't racist to say so. For example, the Specsavers poster in Sainsbury's at Aylesford is of two people who bear a passing resemblance to Romesh Ranganathan and Claudia Winkleman. By the logic you seem to be espousing, it's OK for me to say that one of them looks like Claudia Winkleman but if I also point out that the other looks like Romesh then I'm being racist. For most of my life I have been compared to a guy who was a notorious drunk, smackhead womaniser. I don't take offence because I know that in my slimmer days I bore a passing resemblance to him, and anyway I believed it was meant in jest, or possibly even as a compliment. The pointing out of a likeness to a famous person isn't, of itself, a racist act. It's only the intent that makes it so. Lou Reed. Don’t see it. Specsavers ……
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Post by soulstone on Sept 13, 2021 16:58:42 GMT
I have now reported this blog because you are a bully. Bullies should not be tolerated in this day and age so please in future keep your allegations to yourslf.
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Post by nws on Sept 14, 2021 8:51:36 GMT
Just to be clear... Is your point that you've been called things so it is only right that other people should be called things? No, my point is that if someone genuinely resembles a famous person then surely it isn't racist to say so. For example, the Specsavers poster in Sainsbury's at Aylesford is of two people who bear a passing resemblance to Romesh Ranganathan and Claudia Winkleman. By the logic you seem to be espousing, it's OK for me to say that one of them looks like Claudia Winkleman but if I also point out that the other looks like Romesh then I'm being racist. For most of my life I have been compared to a guy who was a notorious drunk, smackhead womaniser. I don't take offence because I know that in my slimmer days I bore a passing resemblance to him, and anyway I believed it was meant in jest, or possibly even as a compliment. The pointing out of a likeness to a famous person isn't, of itself, a racist act. It's only the intent that makes it so. Er...you might want to note that I didn't mention racism in my simple request for clarification of your meaning yet you managed to claim that I was espousing something about people being racist in one incident and not in another that you feel is the same. That's quite a leap. I was merely interested in pointing out that the emphasis of your point changing to state that in both incidents it might be upsetting/annoying to either party to be called something they are not. That is a personal preference thing. Would calling someone Bob Marley be racist. Possibly, if the caller was not black and the called felt it was a racist slur. Possibly not, if the calle was a similar ethnic origin or the called did not feel it was a racist slur. I'm a bit confused why the onus of racism is on proving the intent of the caller. Surely, if the called feels it is racist then that is enough. A simple way to avoid any miscommunication would be not to do such things?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 9:43:33 GMT
Just to pick up on one point. Is calling a black guy with dreads, Bob Marley any different to calling a white guy with long hair, Rick Parfitt or Ozzy Osbourne, or any of the other long haired white men I've been called over the years. I do agree with this 100%. If a lino or ref looks like a well known figure it's likely to be 'pointed out' by fans regardless of whether they are black or white. You can take 'political correctness' too far sometimes. I watch a very popular club cricket channel on YouTube (Sanderstead CC) - one of their black opening bowlers is nicknamed 'Uncle Phil.' if you've watched The Fresh Prince of Belair you will understand that. The player isn't bothered by it; if you look like someone, you look like them, end of!
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Post by daveu on Sept 14, 2021 10:49:08 GMT
No, my point is that if someone genuinely resembles a famous person then surely it isn't racist to say so. For example, the Specsavers poster in Sainsbury's at Aylesford is of two people who bear a passing resemblance to Romesh Ranganathan and Claudia Winkleman. By the logic you seem to be espousing, it's OK for me to say that one of them looks like Claudia Winkleman but if I also point out that the other looks like Romesh then I'm being racist. For most of my life I have been compared to a guy who was a notorious drunk, smackhead womaniser. I don't take offence because I know that in my slimmer days I bore a passing resemblance to him, and anyway I believed it was meant in jest, or possibly even as a compliment. The pointing out of a likeness to a famous person isn't, of itself, a racist act. It's only the intent that makes it so. Er...you might want to note that I didn't mention racism in my simple request for clarification of your meaning yet you managed to claim that I was espousing something about people being racist in one incident and not in another that you feel is the same. That's quite a leap. I was merely interested in pointing out that the emphasis of your point changing to state that in both incidents it might be upsetting/annoying to either party to be called something they are not. That is a personal preference thing. Would calling someone Bob Marley be racist. Possibly, if the caller was not black and the called felt it was a racist slur. Possibly not, if the calle was a similar ethnic origin or the called did not feel it was a racist slur. I'm a bit confused why the onus of racism is on proving the intent of the caller. Surely, if the called feels it is racist then that is enough. A simple way to avoid any miscommunication would be not to do such things? So you believe the most innocent remark can be racist simply because the person it is addressed to thinks it is.
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Post by haggis on Sept 14, 2021 11:59:36 GMT
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Post by nws on Sept 14, 2021 17:14:15 GMT
Er...you might want to note that I didn't mention racism in my simple request for clarification of your meaning yet you managed to claim that I was espousing something about people being racist in one incident and not in another that you feel is the same. That's quite a leap. I was merely interested in pointing out that the emphasis of your point changing to state that in both incidents it might be upsetting/annoying to either party to be called something they are not. That is a personal preference thing. Would calling someone Bob Marley be racist. Possibly, if the caller was not black and the called felt it was a racist slur. Possibly not, if the calle was a similar ethnic origin or the called did not feel it was a racist slur. I'm a bit confused why the onus of racism is on proving the intent of the caller. Surely, if the called feels it is racist then that is enough. A simple way to avoid any miscommunication would be not to do such things? So you believe the most innocent remark can be racist simply because the person it is addressed to thinks it is. So if you call someone 'Bob Marley' and they consider it is racist I need to tell them it is not racist because the person who said it is saying it is just bantz and really they need to man up. OK got it.
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Post by daveu on Sept 14, 2021 17:34:24 GMT
So you believe the most innocent remark can be racist simply because the person it is addressed to thinks it is. So if you call someone 'Bob Marley' and they consider it is racist I need to tell them it is not racist because the person who said it is saying it is just bantz and really they need to man up. OK got it. f**k me you're a snowflake. Who said anything about bantz. How is pointing out someone's resemblance to a celebrity automatically bantz (and let's be clear bantz is nearly always racist). And why is it offensive to part of the population and not the rest. Jesus mate, it's either offensive or it isn't, you can't pick and choose.
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Post by La femme de Vic Jobson on Sept 14, 2021 17:47:23 GMT
Aaaaaaaaaanyway. The report is still up.
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Post by nws on Sept 14, 2021 19:15:31 GMT
So if you call someone 'Bob Marley' and they consider it is racist I need to tell them it is not racist because the person who said it is saying it is just bantz and really they need to man up. OK got it. f**k me you're a snowflake. Who said anything about bantz. How is pointing out someone's resemblance to a celebrity automatically bantz (and let's be clear bantz is nearly always racist). And why is it offensive to part of the population and not the rest. Jesus mate, it's either offensive or it isn't, you can't pick and choose. Juvenile name calling aside (your usual position when being shown up) can you tell me who decides what is offensive. You were deeply offended by me saying some new fans didn't turn up. I wasn't and neither were many others. This simple example proves the silliness of your claim that what is offensive is a uniform thing. As a hint, read up on something called intersectionality... Alternatively embarrass yourself calling people snowflakes and putting out arguments with more holes than a teabag.
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Post by daveu on Sept 14, 2021 21:11:49 GMT
f**k me you're a snowflake. Who said anything about bantz. How is pointing out someone's resemblance to a celebrity automatically bantz (and let's be clear bantz is nearly always racist). And why is it offensive to part of the population and not the rest. Jesus mate, it's either offensive or it isn't, you can't pick and choose. Juvenile name calling aside (your usual position when being shown up) can you tell me who decides what is offensive. You were deeply offended by me saying some new fans didn't turn up. I wasn't and neither were many others. This simple example proves the silliness of your claim that what is offensive is a uniform thing. As a hint, read up on something called intersectionality... Alternatively embarrass yourself calling people snowflakes and putting out arguments with more holes than a teabag. What are you talking about. What new supporters are we talking about and what have they to do with racism. Tell you what if you think I'm a racist why don't you just come straight out and say it. Just because you day something doesn't make it true.
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Post by nws on Sept 14, 2021 21:46:29 GMT
Juvenile name calling aside (your usual position when being shown up) can you tell me who decides what is offensive. You were deeply offended by me saying some new fans didn't turn up. I wasn't and neither were many others. This simple example proves the silliness of your claim that what is offensive is a uniform thing. As a hint, read up on something called intersectionality... Alternatively embarrass yourself calling people snowflakes and putting out arguments with more holes than a teabag. What are you talking about. What new supporters are we talking about and what have they to do with racism. Tell you what if you think I'm a racist why don't you just come straight out and say it. Just because you day something doesn't make it true. The new supporters thing was was not to do with racism it was used as an example to show offence is not a uniform thing. That was made perfectly clear. I don't think you are a racist. Quite a strange remark. Very true. If it is backed up with some facts then it is true. I'm not sure what point you are making. I don't think
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Post by holysmokes66 on Sept 15, 2021 9:39:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 10:37:39 GMT
Many years ago when the Stones were away at Welling in a league match, the crowd suddenly started chanting, "Barry White, Barry White, Barry White". At first I didn't know why, until I saw the linesman who possessed a a slight resemblance to him, although at the time I suspected that it was more to do with his rotundness. Looking back, was the intention of the crowd to be racist. Of course not.
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